it's happening on your doorstep

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 19:11

About 190 miles away, as far as Yorkshire is from London. Crimes and atrocities are being committed by a brutal regime against their own people in your neighbour Syria. I am surprised that this is not a hot topic on this forum.

eXtendAgent


Joined: 02/02/2012
Posts: 99

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 19:23

Hi Ray, yes it should be but I think because it is another Country and not like Yorkshire is to London the popular forum posters don't think it should be a hot topic. It's terrrible what's going on in Syria though. Hope you are both well by the way. Gwyn PS Tom is doing fine

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 19:24

Point of order! Quarmby, You are a child of the universe.



In popular parlance...."They would not listen, they did not know how" Perhaps they'll listen know.



Sounds like a prelude to WW3.



wyn

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DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 19:30

@ msg 1, Quarmby: I agree with you. And speaking for myself it's not a lack of interest. But what can we do if the big powers don't do a thing? It's such a complicated political (Russia and China versus the West) and religious (Shiite versus Sunni Islam, or the ruling class in Syria backed by Iran and the revolting population not yet backed by Saudi Arabia) matter. It's Middle East winter over there.

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 19:41

Why is there no will to help the Syrian people. I am so perplexed.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:05

DC



Pass the Geneva and Edam. Lets party!



Syria and Iran, are the point where Russia and China, will no longer tolerate American expansionism, and



seizing of global oil deposits, and domination of world cental bankers ambitions..



It was planned 25 years ago. See the Global Chessboard by Brezinski.



God help humanity!



wyn

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:19

@ msg 6, Wynyardman: (...) Russia and China, will no longer tolerate American expansionism, and seizing of global oil deposits, and domination of world cental bankers ambitions.. (...)

▶ Wyn, I fail to see a genuine American interest in Syrian oil - the country is circa number 30 on the list of oil producing countries and the production is declining [ http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?c=sy&v=88 ].

Furthermore I'm not aware of any American interest in Syrian banking business.

So I'm interested to read why - in your opinion - Russia and China really (Italics) back up the Syrian Assad family, this family of dictators of the worst kind.

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:30

I do not understand man he has everything anyone could ever want and yet he kills destroys things i have an inkling it could be greed and money, ii know i like a very stable life surrounded by love and animals but i do not suffer fools litely thats why i do not trust many people i do not know, i can suss a shister out in 2 minutes flat, a user and a down and out mouthy crook in 10 minutes, at least i know the frieends and family i have got are decent people, the rest can go on bullshitting each other and thinking they are something theey are not ha ha x

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:31

DC,



For years, you have derided my opinions. Whats changed? Have you seen the light?



Leopards and spots, and all that!



wynge

jamboree


Joined: 25/06/2011
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:43

quarmby i think it is because people in general dont give a dam about there fellow human beings. their hunger,strugles,welbeing etc etc, as long as i am alright jack and it is not happening to me no one gives a flying fOrK. yes i would like to do something to help but what? please advise?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:45

@ msg 9, Wynyardman: (...) For years, you have derided my opinions. Whats changed? Have you seen the light? Leopards and spots, and all that! (...)

▶ in Msg 6 you addressed me and I tried to give you a polite and serious reply. And all I get now is rubbish about the light and leopards. Very sad behaviour - especially for a fine Christian like you.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:51

DC, Please see thread......."Is America seeking world domination?"



It helps little to serious debate, that you seek to deride honest contributors.



As you sow!



Now debate the post.



wyn

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 20:58

If you had replied in a normal way to my post number 7 there would have been no reason to start your thread "Is America seeking world domination?" - this thread could have been interesting enough. So, no, thank you. Enjoy your thread.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 21:01

Msg11,



"especially for a fine Christian like you"



At least you have got something right!



Have you read Brezinski' s book. The Grand Chessboard? Read it, and then let us have your serious observations. If you wish to make serious comments, GET THE FACTS.



wyn

imposoliedus


Joined: 16/01/2012
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 22:06

syria is just another country in the middle east that is not in the hands of the banking system , (ROTHSCHILDs jewish run,) ask yourself where these activists are getting their arms from. un ,turkey uk america france, these thugs are not peacefull protesters ,, but are paid killers put there by the system ,to over throw a lagit government, there is a big difference from what has happened in egypt and tunis than what has happened in lybya and what is happening in syria,, The unarmed protesters in bharain are being shot dead every day , but you will not hear any thing about that because they are run by an american puppet goverment,

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 22:07

Quarmby,



To take your point, but elaborate. For the bible thumping Christians amongst us.



Lefcosa is a mere 160 miles from the plains of Armaddedon.



I think that we have made our point!



Another Efes garcon!



wyn

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 22:10

Its a terrible world we live in perhaps its time to be kinder to one another.



http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails.aspx?ID=367809&MID=149&PID=2







Spider,X

BlueButterfly


Joined: 03/11/2011
Posts: 160

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 22:11

Jamboree, message 10.

I do indeed give a damn about what is happening to my fellow human beings. I watch what is going on in

Syria with sadness and despair and my heart aches for those poor people, but what can we 'ordinary people' do to help them?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 22:13

Hi Spider,



I love you all. But as you know, that is rarely reciprocated. In fact, wheres my kochan?



Take care,



wyn

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 22:24

Wyn



Give me the name of the bank and I will go and chain myself up on their door for 24hours.







Spider,X

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 22:28

imposoleidus



I find you impossible!



I think the freedom fighters have very few arms unlike the thug Assad and his henchmen, just look at the pictures, who is using tanks and heavy armour against woman and children? Backed by the communists Russia and China, who don't give a damn about the human rights of the protesters against Assad.

The sooner Assad's head is on a spike,the better. Gradually the thug leaders are slowly being disposed of, but at what price.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 22:35

Quarmby,



I could not agree more, but perhaps we need to discuss the bigger picture.



The Global Chessboard, makes a fascinating read!



wyn

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 23:15

And Obama sings the blues.



So very sad.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17125583



Spider,X

DesiH


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
22/02/2012 23:52

I am sure you are all delighted that at least the Arab League and Al Quaeda are brave enough to stand up for Democracy and Human Rights for the Syrian people while the West dithers . Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, Jordan, Somalia, U.A.E.,Sudan, Morocco etc.... all undemocratic countries with a fine record of human rights abuses. They really want YOUR support to ensure a Sunni Syria



Do Cyprus 44 contributors really support the Arab League in their quest to rid Syria of their the Secular system of Government, to clear out the Christians, Shia, Druze, Alawis, Jews etc. ???? Are you all crazy or do you know something I dont?

trncoldboy


Joined: 02/02/2009
Posts: 182

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 01:18

Maybe the opportunity to help will come when the armada of refugee boats arrive at the "panhandle"!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 07:48

It has of course been discussed in earlier threads so I'm not quite sure why Quarmby feels the need to take us to task for not discussing it... perhaps we should ask him why he did not contribute to the earlier thread as it seems our collective thought processes are under scrutiny once more

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/85678.asp

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/75226.asp

davpat


Joined: 23/08/2011
Posts: 225

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 11:12

message 25,you could have something there!!

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 11:37

Groucho



you appear to dammn me if I don't and then dammn if I do, I give up!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 11:54

You started it, taking us to task for not talking about it (it's not as though this is the only forum on which such things should be discussed anyway) when in fact it had already featured in some threads... so why the criticism? So your opening gambit appears misdirected... don't you think?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 13:51

Quarmby. It is all a worry as you say. What's your view's on what might happen next please.



http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/01/09/187210.html Old news from January and now this.



http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/01/08/187090.html



Spider.X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 13:55

another interesting link here on the new's thus far. :(



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/22/us-syria-idUSL5E8DB0BH20120222





Spider,X

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 15:25

far be it from me to defend cynical russia, and its "close ally" syria,

but some of the postings hark back to the colonial era:



for starters, whatever "we" should do about the situation, as in the

cyprus problem the only practical way to overthrow a regime with

which you have any disagreement is the use overwhelming military

force with probably huge casualties or mass defections from within,

...and the rest is mostly cant



libya demonstrated what 29,000 air missions could achieve but there

is no prospect of doing that with syria, whose military is formidable,

and with bad memories of iraq and no spare cash count the west out



what will probably happen is the covert supply of guns and bazookas

by one or more arabian states...with america looking the other way



whether the end product does indeed result in a truly democratic and

non-secular syria is anyone's guess, at least the survivors can decide

imposoliedus


Joined: 16/01/2012
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 17:23

QUARMBY , you probably were on the side of the so called protesters in lybya, a country which had , 98 % lit , the best health care in africa ,no unemployement, and the west media telling us that the governement of lybya was killing women and children and doing the attacking while on the retreat , open your eyes man , the wests media is totally one sided bias,

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 18:44

msg 33



I suppose I and others imagined the celebrations of the majority of Libyans when the dictator Gadaffi was eventually removed. The thoussands of Libyans who dissapeared was also a figment of the families of those people. I will accept that there is a lot to be sorted out in Libya but that cannot be done overnight.



Groucho, I am somewhat taken aback by your vitriol towards me. As for what I think will happen, I really do not know. I suppose Russia will have a say in what eventually happens to Assad.



Have a nice day.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
23/02/2012 19:52

Quarmby,



I suspect the real protagonists are The USA and their allies Israel. It appears that Russia and China, have drawn a line in the sand, to stop American expansionism.



As you so rightly say, all this is happenning less than 200 miles, from here you live.



Libya or Iran, it matters little. Its the outcome, which should stop all sleeping at night.



Take care,



wyn

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/02/2012 07:09

Quarmby

"I am somewhat taken aback by your vitriol towards me"

What vitriol? I'm merely pointing out that your opening flurry was misdirected, not only was it already a hot topic, there were threads discussing the events but maybe you should have done what the rules suggest (rule 2) and seen that there were threads you could have added to rather than start a new one and declare your amazement that we weren't discussing it... to me implying, somewhat rudely, that we were wrong to not be hotly discussing the subject matter when in fact we were as I have demonstrated by adding the links... The vitriol appears to be in your head mate.