Rental Problems in North Cyprus?

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 03:14

I have read a few posts re the problems with renting to some of the locals.



I have a prospective tenant from the turkish mainland who is interested in a six month rental of my villa.



Any thoughts on this matter would be most welcome.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 08:33

Ask for references in advance ask for rental in advance plus deposit and signed rental contract well done if you get all 4 .

Remember squatters rights !!

chriswife


Joined: 30/03/2011
Posts: 449

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 11:42

rent it to me instead if you can take a small dog and 2 teachers and its less than £500pcm haha is that naughty of mr God loves a tryer

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 11:54

dont do it

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 11:57

Hi Louise



Yes to all, looks like God does love a tryer.



Can you contact me via my email address?



Regards



Tony

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 12:00

Thanks Alex (4)



Boy you look good for 48, Peter Pan been visiting?

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 14:44

Msg 4



Karakum5c



Would you kindly contact me on kgs1962@live.com



In reference to a previous rental thread



Thanks

magolina


Joined: 06/12/2008
Posts: 461

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 22:08

DONT RENT WILL COST YOU A FORTUNE BEWARE

mozgor



Joined: 16/06/2010
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 02:22

Just having had our tenant doing a moonlight owing ove £300 in electricity and water and 2 months rent - I wouldn't rent to mainlanders again. It's such a shame cos I'm sure they aren't all the same, but unfortunately it's a case for us, once bitten twice shy!!!



@ Chriswife - we have a ground floor 2 bed flat with one double and one twin available and we would be ok with a small dog if you're interested?

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 02:30

Thanks Moyra and Christine, for confirming my concerns.



UK or nothing I think.

mozgor



Joined: 16/06/2010
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 02:35

You're welcome

moxie


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Posts: 969

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 02:47

so thats alex dommini !!!!! lol

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 06:22

Not a tenants are unreliable, I will be looking to rent, long term, a furnished 1 bed property at a reasonable rent when my 1 years rental contract expires in June. I will be able to furnish references.

Wiser


Joined: 30/07/2008
Posts: 796

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 08:31

I rented to two well known English people who had a restaurant out here and they left without paying rent for 5 months or their bills! When I confronted them on the phone as they have returned to the uk they said it was not on their list of priorities!

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 08:39

I think all people come chasing their dreams and find themselves in a totally different position and bills and rent seem to be the first to go. The hardest part seems to get people out after non payment and contracts seem worthless.

Barking


Joined: 07/02/2012
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 12:23

what type of restaurant mesg 14 ?

Trina


Joined: 30/01/2012
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 12:35

Message 14



They should be named in case they go back and and try to rent again

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 12:39

I agree, they should be named, like Trina said, what if they go back and rent again? Someone else stuffed!

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 12:43

Wiser,Just one question,why let tenants go five months without paying?

tony75


Joined: 07/04/2008
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 13:15

Wiser message 14



I think it would be a good idea to name the guilty people concerned before people start speculating to whom it is and innocent people get named and dragged into the mud.

Barking


Joined: 07/02/2012
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 13:30

Wiser message 14



I suppose everyone said they were nice people and hoe lovely they were helping all the stray dogies But IT IS NOT THE FIRST TIME they have done this I do hope it is the last.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 13:40

I think it would have been wiser wiser to have put a name to your accusations so that folk like barking don't start barking up the wrong tree.

britvic



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Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 13:57

I agree cooper.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 18:43

Yes,

i know the couple you are talking about, they owe money everywhere from what i am told.

Totally untrustworthy in my experiences with them and that of my friends.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
28/02/2012 18:59

My son and his wife is expected to move to their own house after a couple of months and I intend to rent the one they leave to the university at half price.



Although its no problem for me to sue them I prefer to rent at half price for piece of mind. Anyway, if you want to let your place, make sure that the rental agreement is also signed by a local person as a guarantor who will agree to pay.

ismet

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
29/02/2012 02:57

Thank you Ismet, your comments are welcome and as always useful.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
29/02/2012 07:20

Ismet, it's 'peace of mind' ... of course if they do turn out to be poor tenants you could then give them a 'piece of your mind'. Two different expressions meaning quite different things, with exactly the same pronunciation... Ah English - what a daft language

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
29/02/2012 09:32

I work with Wiser, we rent to many Turkish nationals who are wonderful tenants, their properties are spotless, their rent and bills are paid on time and they are very respectful. The point Wiser was making is that you cant tar everyone with the same brush, we have European tenants who have behaved far less respectfully, including the restaurant owners. We have no intention of naming them, and Cooper, it is not an accusation at all, it is a fact and a point well made, that just because someone has a Turkish passport it does not automatically make them a bad tenant, equally possessing a British passport does not make someone a great tenant.

kprnc1


Joined: 26/08/2011
Posts: 215

Message Posted:
01/03/2012 15:11

Unfortunately you just never know, no matter what nationality! As a rentals company its very easy for us to rent an apartment to whomever and not care who they are but we would like to still be open in 10 years time therefore we have created a screening process its not 100% obviously but we try to get as much info from the Tenant as possible, where do they work ( even if this means that you check out the work place and how long they have been in employment ) and many more avenues we try to explore. It benefits us in the long run as once the tenant vacates a property the landlord will then 9 times out of 10 ask us to rent the property again, we then have a continuous flow of properties. Since opening we have have not had a bad experience, but i do know of people who have and as soon as the tenant was threatened with Police they have left pretty quick, not in all cases. Please email us if you would like any further information info@kyreniapropertyrentalsnc.com



KYRENIA PROPERTY RENTA

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
01/03/2012 21:24

at your own peril

Welly


Joined: 29/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
02/03/2012 22:31

I rented to two well known English people who had a restaurant out here and they left without paying rent for 5 months or their bills! When I confronted them on the phone as they have returned to the uk they said it was not on their list of priorities! As the property owner of the renters mentioned above, I can only agree that bad renters can be from anywhere. This is the 2nd UK renters that have taken us for a ride. First lot hubby was our estate agents and left the house in a complete ruin. That one was a private let.



Wiser helped get it fixed and cleaned. 5 months was due to the 2nd renters being called and emailed without any response. Thankfully there so called local friends moved out their possesion, shame they did not clean it too! But we are still left with bills and no rent. I'm sure when the bowling restuarant is finally open they will find some new suckers to rent from. that is if they ever return from the UK. They are so quick to post about the bad things people do ironi

Welly


Joined: 29/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
02/03/2012 22:40

cont



meant to say Ironic!....... but not enough text space left. Now I'm sure most of you will know who they are

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 07:32

Welly,

If you want us to know their names then tell us, but don't post irresponsible hints and riddles.

At least two different couples have been linked with this restaurant so you have now damaged the reputation of both of them.

Grow up, and say exactly what you mean or else say nothing at all.

lindsay


Joined: 19/04/2009
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 10:16

i agee there is no real reason why you shouldnt name and shame ... i also rent several props and any pertinant info is highly valuable .in fact in uk now someone has set up a web-site for just that reason ... if trip advisor can carry and post globally negative info and remarks regarding hotels and holiday lets etc . why are you holding back .?... i agree with all posts that are encouraging you to to divulge , why are you waiting .?

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 10:27

At the very least you must clear the name of the innocent parties that you have tainted by their association with the bowls club restaurant.

babyheritage


Joined: 31/01/2012
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 10:56

What about that English guy who rented to a turkish guy and he didnt pay for years and the poor man still had to pay rental tax. What a thing to go through.







So can someone set up a posting with a list of those who have conned them. That would be interesting.

Welly


Joined: 29/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 20:20

Liz & Guido

Welly


Joined: 29/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 20:28

I will also apologise to the couples whom have a stake in the bowling club. I was not talking in riddles I thought it was pretty obvious someone who is out of the country and ex resturant owner plus there was talk of their next venture being the bowling club.



I am not in the practice of naming & shaming, there are just too many that I could shame with their behavour to their fellow man. I agree an offical reference website set up with tenant ratings would be great. Plus rating agents to work on your behalf and the tenant.

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 20:52

Welly,

Thanks for your answer.

Now I know who you were talking about, and it is not the couple recently announced as the caterers at the new bowls club.

I have no way of knowing if your allegation is true or not; if it is then now we all know.

If it is untrue then they will sue you for libel.

Either way we will all find out.

Thanks again.

Welly


Joined: 29/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 21:01

I have no worries then Doubt we will see our funds that are owed. They are such a hgh profile couple on this forum, hence my hesitation. But I'm sick of being taken for a ride and woudl not like others to be in our position. It unfair and not fun. Evicting tenants in not easy in any country when they do not pay.



My reply delay is due to being on the other side of the world.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 22:23

Msg 37,



Hmm,



Another attempt to blacken the names of people. Who can say, what actually happened if someone broke a civil contract ? Was the tenant unhappy with some aspect of the premises etc. etc. Who knows ? Mentioning names in a private contract dispute is an abuse of this forum, in my opinion.

Welly


Joined: 29/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
03/03/2012 22:33

I'm sure if it were not true then Lilli who was online not long ago would clear their names.



No the property was fine, all were happy. Just lack of funds unfortunately. Even rented at an extremly low price and allowed the pets too. If they had financial issues then an arrangement could have been made but when people do not reply its hard to help them. Hence, why it went on so long before the rug was pulled.



See previous post aove, I am not the only one.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 11:22

Haven't the said couple just had their pets sent to England? That must have cost a pretty penny, and maybe to them that was their 'priority'?

Barking


Joined: 07/02/2012
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 12:15

pinot grigio was always a bigger priority than the rent from what I saw !

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 12:25

Welly, could you not write to these people and explain your hardship to them? As not paying rent etc is again a type of fraud that seems to be rife in NC...



Not emailing, a proper posted letter, I am sure they might then offer to pay something perhaps monthly to you to clear the dept that they have burdened you with ...



I do believe the gentleman in question has a job in Wales ....



Hope this is of help, as we too had tenants leave one of our places in a s---e state ... Not nice ...

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 14:12

Britvic, msg 43,



I think someone's health was the top priority, not the dogs.

Trina


Joined: 30/01/2012
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 16:14

EamonnMc Message 46

I think someone's health was the top priority, not the dogs.



I think after looking through the threads you have got it wrong, a major operation then a day or two later meet the dog then taking it early morning walks, it looks a strong type of dog to me, I can’t think of any major operation where you would be fit enough and want to be walking a dog a few days after.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 19:50

Trina, Msg 47,



Where did I mention a major operation ? I did mention someone's health problems.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 19:58

I thought the Government had stopped free health care for ex-pats now?

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 20:09

Msg 49,



If that's true Phil, big bills would follow any treatment given.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 20:34

i have just come across this thread , and it saddens me to read it . There are always two sides to a story , this lady has had some serious health issues to contend with and is probably too upset to respond to all this . Well done , give yourselves a pat on the back . You have got someone saying " They owe money everywhere " from what i'm told ------- eh ! that will be hear say then will it ? , then you have a letting agent divulging confidential information , giving us just enough information without divulging their names for us to know of whom she speaks , hardly professional , if you are employed i'm sure your employer will take a dim view of your loose tongue . Msg 47 , you know for sure then that the lady mentioned has had her operation then do you , or could it have been cancelled and rescheduled i wonder ?. This couple have done so much for others and charities over the years , can you not find it in your heart to give them some peace to contend with her illness ... simbas

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 21:21

Well said , Simbas, as I posted in msg 41, this just appears to be an attempt to blacken someone's name and mentioning names in a private contract dispute is, in my opinion. an abuse of this forum.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 21:30

I would not disagree with you Eamonn

Simbas

bazzagirl


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Message Posted:
04/03/2012 21:30

Post removed ......... Rule 3 no need for that........... Simbas

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 21:38

Msg 54,



What are you on about ?

bazzagirl


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Posts: 525

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 21:40

Post removed , mind your language please......... Simbas

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
04/03/2012 21:41

Msg 54 , edited for reason given

simbas

simbas



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Message Posted:
04/03/2012 21:43

Msg 56 , edited for reason given

Simbas

Welly


Joined: 29/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 08:29

Thanks to those who understand. My only reason for my posts were to help stop any further people becoming VICTIMS of these kinds of unscruplious tenants.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 08:53

I for one do appreciate you for you having the Balls to tell it like it is Welly so as to warn others who could easily find themselves in the same boat.



Just my opinion.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 09:04

EamonnMc,simbas;



if Welly's comments were against the rules or were blackening someones name/s,why were below thread allowed to go on?



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/84787.asp

Barking


Joined: 07/02/2012
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 09:15

John hawker is not protected !

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 10:15

I sincerely apologise for my language simbas but i get sick of reading about poor people getting ripped off by people, some bad some who make out they are as pure as the driven snow, not paying someone for rent is theft, that person may loose their livlehood or home because people do not pay what thay owe, no excuse for that!!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 10:17

Just a question to Simbas really, you seem to think that leaving debts and not paying rent etc is acceptable ?



If we all just said 'oh dear these people are ill' what a mess we would all be in ! Plus were both of them ill enough not to pay their bills!



Just do not understand your stance, would you have been the same to your husbands clients who had breast implants etc etc and not pay?



No,... I don't some how think so....



Welly, their are many more landlords who are having the same problem, perhaps now they too will come forward with the names of these fraudsters! ....

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 11:26

I think that if you check out lilli's facebook page she has plenty to tell on what she has been doing recently.

Its made interesting reading.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 14:27

I'm not really in to Facebook but from what I've been told don't you need to be a 'friend' to see what people have posted?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 14:41

Correct hattikins, ....



It just saddens me that even the mods are all for people to swindle others ... no accountability for their actions it would seem....





Perhaps tarred with the same brush.... Silence on all accounts ... :(

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 14:44

This thread has saddened me to no end. I happen to know Lili and so you can accept that I am biased in her favour.

It is not right to leave behind unpaid rent or bills but things can go wrong with private enterprises and we all know about the economic climate in Cyprus recently. So even honest decent people may default in payments. I believe that they did the decent thing, closed the shop and handed over the keys to the owner. Otherwise the owner would have to struggle in the courts to repossess what is his.

I understand that Lili is in poor health and she needs all the psychological help she can get. Someone suggested that it cost them a great deal of money to ship their dog to UK. That may be true and those who know Lili also know how she cares for animals. In my view she got her priority right.

My advice to those who wish to rent is simple:

1. Get a guarantor to sign the rental contract to accept any arrears in rent.

2. Make sure that electricity and water is registered in the name of the tenant. That means that legally the land owner is not responsible for the unpaid bills.



Simbas, I salute you for standing up for our Lili. I wish I had the courage to do it before you did.

ismet

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 14:57

Good morning Dizzy , i do not find it acceptable or condone it in any shape or form , i too have had renters who have upped and left without paying their rent and utilities in this country {UK } , so i do know and understand how people feel . It was an unpleasant expensive experience . But having said that , i like to think i haven't lost my compassion . On this occasion , and whether it be true or not , to see one's name banded around like that on a forum full of friends must have been horrifying especially when you are ill , it cannot be a pleasant experience , she will i'm sure respond to these accusations when she is stronger . It is only one side of the story that has been told , there is also another .

Simbas

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 15:03

Thank you Elko2 for confirming what it isn't right to just walk away from your responsibilities in any country ..



I wasn't asking for a why and how of any ones health, in fact perhaps the sympathy should go to those that are owed money? How do you know Elko if those landlords can now pay their bills? Its a chain in any business isnt it? Perhaps they to have an illness that needs attention, so don't try and come over the 'oh great ones' to uphold any ones swindling, theft, fraud , call it what you like .... I still call it unacceptable to leave others in the dire mess ....

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 15:08

Dizzycows,

You do not have to be in business to understand that even decent people can have bad times and unable to pay rent or bills. Yes such debts can cause a chain reaction and this is very true for Cyprus at the moment. I appreciate your point.

ismet

Pogle


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 1536

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 15:14

msg 68



I guess for your average tenant it would be very difficult to find a guarantor prepared to be responsible for non payment of rent/bills. Also, many of the tenants here struggle to pay 2 deposits, let alone pay the deposit to Kibtek to change the service into their name. It may well work differently on the private Cypriot rental circuit - but for your average Brit with a property to rent, this is not an option.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 15:25

Simbas, to say that to see 'your' name bandied about on a forum was surely not the posters fault for actually saying who the person was? In that case the 'person' perhaps who is having all the friends see the name will now do the honourable thing and help pay off the outstanding depts then !!



Plus has the forum not got a name and shame list of corrupt builders ect etc ? So what is the difference, please enlighten me?



So please don't put that one over onto the poster of this thread about not having compassionate feelings! How on earth was he/her to know all the details of tenants private lives!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 17:50

I have been letting for the last 20 years of my life (my own property/ies).

For the first time since living in a flat(rented) I had rented a place because o0f the love for my animals,the ground of the rented property and the beautifully suitable surroundings.



Sircumstances changed drastically,we had to go 'back',I had to move out the rented propertry,I had to get rid of all my livestock (some sold,some rehomed)



in the meantime I 'trusted' a friend to pay MY outstanding bills for the place I was renting.He didn't.



whose debt is that?

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 18:12

Unfortunately yorgozlu, the debt is yours as the rental agreement (I assume) was in your name.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 18:16

nothing unfortunate there Vicki,I fully accept the responsibility already.



The 'hint' was for the others.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 18:17

Lol, sorry, a bit slow on the uptake today.......

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 18:24

Good on you then Yorg, .....



To many run away and make excuses ... I hate excuses ...

buffyvento


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Posts: 151

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 19:19

Tonyta have emaıled you thanks and good luck

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 19:36

Once I let my place to a well known restaurant owner. He used it for his staff. He failed to have the water and electricity in his name as agreed. I gave notice to the municipality and kib-tek that I will not be responsible for the bills and I had no objection if they cut off the water and electricity. They acted promptly and cut him off. He was forced to have them in his name. He defaulted in rent right from the beginning and after second month I sued him. I sued him again and again the following months and he had enough. He paid me and cleared off.

Before him I had the place let to students who paid me regularly until their parents suffered in earthquake in Turkey. I told them to pay me when they can. For six months they did not pay me anything and I wrote off their debt. They left after graduation and on good terms. So it all depends on circumstances.

ismet

Trina


Joined: 30/01/2012
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 19:57

Well thats in in a nutshell then don't rent to restaurateurs they can't be trusted.



The above was said tongue in cheek no offence to the honest restaurateurs.

johndp


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 497

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 19:58

Its amazing how mods jump to the defence of someone when it suits them, these people owe rent so they should pay it, end of !

berilela


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Posts: 590

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 20:18

i agree totally

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 20:24

msg 83;



send me a msn friendsip invitation please.You'd be able to see Arnie live.My e-mail is in my profile.



love to you both



sorry for going off topic.

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 20:58

Message 83 i totally agree, i was banned for talking about rats at the Sea Vistas complex, somehow i smell a rat here somewhere.



I have never owed money and i deplore anyone who does not pay their way whatever the circumstances, the landlord here who would have worked hard for the money owed to him might be in a terrible state becaause of this, might given him health problems, but the tenants did not care did they???? I think there are some very double staandards in this life, someone who does not pay what they owe in theory is a thief and i have no compassion for this type of person at all.



Simbas if you find this offensive please delete this post as well. x

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
05/03/2012 22:00

bazzagirl,



As you well know, it was your language that got your posts deleted....hence your apology. I see in your profile you are an editor, perhaps you need to edit yourself, sometimes.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
06/03/2012 23:50

When the deposit is used (time not paid)

why not kick them out ?

Welly


Joined: 29/04/2008
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 10:50

Amaized at all the post and people who are understanding of our predicatment. Yes we are on a finacial low here in NZ due to recession here. We both lost our jobs, then our home. We owe friends and companies as a result but we pay our debts on time and in full. Both have suffered with our health as a result.



Now we just hope our new tenants that Wiser got in a very short time, make up the financial loss. I can not tell you how much effort Wiser has done for us over the last 2 years to help us out.



Angela

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 11:09

Welly, I wish you all the best, and can sympathise with you ...



Just wish people were not so good to jump into protect when there has been a wrong doing ... Perhaps the protectors might like to help you out!!!



Dont be made to feel bad because of your name and shame.. ... Perhaps your post has warned other landlords of being in the same boat...

Barking


Joined: 07/02/2012
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 11:24

if the previous landlords had done as you have welly you may well not have been in this position now!



ok we know Guido & Lilly raised money for good causes but hey come on they should pay their dues.



You are not the first they have rented from and left owing rent water and electric but I do hope you are the last !

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 12:38

Sorry but when i helped with the begging bowl for their dog Bertie, i was the one who got bit on the butt for their behaviour. Did something out of kindness for someone and thats how i and others got treated.

So don't lets all say oh, poor liz and guido.



How do they sleep at night?

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 14:40

Welly, Good luck with your new tenants.





Vicki

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 20:44

I always thought she was too good to be true, and i was right x

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/03/2012 20:54

shame on them for doing this but more shame on you for bitching about,now that they're gone.

osntv


Joined: 03/12/2010
Posts: 8

Message Posted:
08/03/2012 12:58

I rented my villa to a well known cypriot woman who ran a bar in Lapta and her boyfriend (think he's in Canada now?) I came to back to utter filth both inside and out. Water metre taken due to outstanding bills (cost me 525 TL reconnect) Electric cut off 1,560 TL. Half full green pool (280 TL to refill 250 TL extra stuff to treat the green!) Garden overgrown, full of dog shit, used as a dump site (420 TL paid to gardeners and man with a van)



ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE!!!



And she had the cheek to tell us she had 1,500 GBP for 2 months deposit & a months rent in advance for another villa whilst leaving me (having just had a heart attack!) over 3,000 TL in debt!



I might just have to get a tab started in the supermarket..............................its on my list

buffyvento


Joined: 25/02/2012
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 18:22

osntv better to stick to professionals as i say more than my job is worth to do that very immoral.

magolina have viewing tomorrow already booked in will contact you saturday afternoon there is a change my landlady has asked if we can move out sooner as our colleagues want our apartment i can email you school contact can also give you our uk address. can you send email address.

buffyvento


Joined: 25/02/2012
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 18:52

Hi tony how did it go??

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
09/03/2012 23:45

Message 97. Situation ongoing, will let you know outcome asap.



In the meantime thank you for all the comments, off topic or not.

buffyvento


Joined: 25/02/2012
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 08:02

thanks we need to move quicker now

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 08:39

i have just had start eviction proceedings in the uk to remove a tenant in the uk so its just not the turks .london is worse as my tenant cant find a new a home as there is a shortage

ronjeremy


Joined: 07/03/2012
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 19:03

Renting always has risks connected to it ,most of the time the renters cannot afford a mortage .

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 20:10

msg 95 do they do a tab at Dolmaci?

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
10/03/2012 20:29

You do not have to be in business to understand that even decent people can have bad times and unable to pay rent or bills. Yes such debts can cause a chain reaction and this is very true for Cyprus at the moment. I appreciate your point.



ismet

ismet decent people would try to come to an arrangment

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 17:10

Re: Messages 14 & 25



What about the unprofessional Property Management Companies and Property Owners who delay returning deposits and draft up unfounded damages claims, just to try reduce and prolong the return of the renter’s monies?



Of course I’m assuming your business is run extremely professionally and legally to all appertaining laws and regulations within KKTC and all your rental contracts are all registered with the Tax Offices, as not to avoid the non-payment of applicable tax.



You may confirm this of course if you wish !!!!



What practical help or guidance do you provide your renters or anybody else on this forum, who after quitting a property and paid all bills, still have to wait for an unscrupulous owner to return their deposit?



As a matter of interest are you as the letting agent responsible for the return of the deposit or the owner of the property?

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 18:27

Correction



My posting should have referred to messages 14 & 28



but perhaps Ismet (Elko2), could advise what actions unfortunate renters can pursue in obtaining recourse against such unscrupulous persons & companies?

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
16/03/2012 20:44

Providing the property is left clean, tidy, undamaged, with every item listed on the inventory present and correct and the garden returned to the state it was in when the tenant took possession then there would be no reason to withhold the deposit. If the agent manages the property then they generally hold the deposit and return it. However if the agent does not manage it, the arrangement is purely tenant find and the deposit is held by the owner of the property and the decision to withhold any of it is theirs. If the agent manages the property it is their duty to inform the landlord what rental tax is due, but not theirs to enforce payment of the tax. I hope this answers your question scotsguy but if you wish to discuss a specific case with us then please feel free to come to the office.

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 15:19

Tinkie



Thanks for your prompt response, but it answers only some questions briefly and raises many more:-



So in regard to a “Tenant Find”, what your responsibilities for the prospective tenant none?



Therefore I trust you provide the persons with the property owners full particulars, contact details and phone number etc to they can correspond together without involving yourselves, especially if repairs are needed. Also would assume that you don’t do the inventory and property checks, all the necessaries would be conducted between tenant and property owner, with you just charging a finder’s fee?



If your company if managing the property, trust you provide a 24 hr contact number to facilitate any urgent repairs or maintenance that is required?



Who actually writes up the inventory? You/the owner/independent 3rd party? Would trust you actually walk through the property with any prospective tenant and show where all the possessions are and both parties actually sign and ag

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 15:21

Cont/



I understand that any tenant must leave the property ‘as in your words’ clean, tidy and undamaged. However on this Island you will be aware many properties suffer from water ingress/dampness, the tenant cannot be responsible for flaking paint/damaged plaster and floor coverings etc.



Would trust you must take a lot of photographs to protect all parties interests as to avoid unnecessary potential claims.



When do you carry out the final checks, last day with tenant or after they leave? Do you provide tenant/property owner with survey report and damages list if any, detailing what costs are going to be deducted? Assuming everything is in order to you instantly repay deposit?



Does a rental contract state when a deposit is due for return in the same way the instructions for payment of rent are so well put?

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 15:22

Cont/



This thread started off regarding rental problems/bad tenants, of which I’m sure there are, however I wish to highlight there are many unscrupulous property owners and property management companies and I make no accusation towards yours.



I also ponder as to what one needs to open an Estate Agency/Property Management Company on this Island. As there are many and from my experiences not all seem to be as professional or qualified as others around the world.



Perhaps, I should start another thread so tenants can name and shame companies that they have suffered through.

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 15:23

Cont/



Finally as a gesture of goodwill from your business to the members of Cyprus44, can/could you answer the question I asked previously:-



What practical help or guidance can you provide to renters or anybody else on this forum, who after quitting a property and paid all bills, still have to wait for an unscrupulous owner/property management company to return their deposit?



I’m sure you must have come across this situation many times.

Wiser


Joined: 30/07/2008
Posts: 796

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 16:38

Dear Scotsguy, thank you for showing such an interest in our workings. I will endevour to answer all your questions but if I miss anything, like Tinkie says in her earlier post you are welcome to come to our office any time to discuss your queries. When we do a tenant find we are paid a fee for literally just finding a tenant. If the tenant vacates the premises early we reimburse the landlord part of the fee. The tenants are given full contact details of the owners and with regards to the rental in question the couple actually privately met with the landlords for two hours prior to moving in to discuss everything regarding the villas workings etc. It was agreed at that time that the tenants would carry out any minor repairs to the villa that should arise. If any structural problems arise it is the responsibility of the landlord to fix these as arranged with the tenant. When we manage a property we do not offer 24 hours response but they are given our mobile numbers and contact

Wiser


Joined: 30/07/2008
Posts: 796

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 16:45

us at any reasonable time. If it is an emergency we will respond appropriately but if not we will deal with problems as soon as possible. Sometimes the inventories are written up by us and sometime by the landlord. As in this case the landlord had written the inventory but a copy was given by the tenant upon moving into the property and was told that they had to check it and give a copy back to us. If they did not do this they would be liable if anything was missing off the list upon vacating the property. They did not bother to do the inventory.



Leaving a property clean and tidy means just this. We do not penalize tenants for damp which is beyond their control. We do have photos of this property prior to the tenants moving in. We do list any monies to be deducted from deposits but in this case as the owner was holding the deposit and we wished to help the tenant we did an initial check. all the furniture had been moved around and it was very hard to do the inventory, we

Wiser


Joined: 30/07/2008
Posts: 796

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 16:50

therefore agreed to reimburse the tenant who was desperate for her deposit to be refunded £500 from our pocket as the deposit was with the owner in the uk. the remainder was to be refunded or agreed between the tenant and the landlord upon their arrival in Cyprus. The tenant failed to make contact with the landlord even though she knew they would be at the villa she had rented on a set day. Obviously when we manage the property we meet the tenants at the property, check everything and then agree to return any deposit outstanding.



As I have said before if you would like to discuss this further, please do not hesitate to come to our office.



Best regards Lydia

darkeyes


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 54

Message Posted:
17/03/2012 21:04

is it normal for a professional agent to hand over an inventory and ask the TENANT to check the property? How can anyone possibly operate in this manner? 'Agent find smagent find' - I personally would never rent a property and hand over money to an 'agent' (that can mean anything in this country) that has come over here from the uk set them selves up as' property managers',claim to hold deposits, and in many cases collect deposits, and scarper without registering as a 'legitimate' company or paying the CORRECT taxes if at all.. I would go to a REPUTABLE business that has been here for several years. I bet these new telephone numbers to shop the illegal workers/companies/property owners are ringing none stop..............and about time too....

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 12:46

If your a lettings agent in the uk things are put in place like client accounts to keep deposits safe ect.



What shocks me is those who rent and run business's from the private property of their landlord. Not sure i would want someone offering pet sitting services from my villa. Beyond belief the liberties some of folk take.



I for one wouldn't rent to anyone here due to the lack of rules and regualtions. The UK is not much better as i feel it gives the tenants far to may rights. What about the rights of the property owner who has invested their hard cash?

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 14:40

Lydia



Many thanks for your prompt reply, are you trying to expand on your original post (which really appears to contradict your statement of 5 months’ rent arrears), or are you now discussing some other tenants?

Anyway to avoid confusion, I shall just raise questions from your postings No’s 111>113



In this scenario you have now quoted you have just charged a finder’s fee and did not manage the property.



So I’m ascertaining, there’s no question of rent arrears, outstanding utility accounts etc. (as you have mentioned none)



As you quoted the tenants were desperate to have their deposit returned, which anyone can understand, so you very generously gave them 500 pounds of your money in the interim. Have to say very admirable on you and your companies’ behalf, its shows you at least have compassion for someone’s plight..



So what is the outstanding remaining balance?



What has been the time scale since the tenants vacated until now?

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 14:41

Con't



If you were only charging a finder’s fee, why ask the tenants to check the inventory and return to you, surely the property owner should have walked through the property with the tenants and asked them to sign at the end.



Now we also know the Property Owner resides in the UK, you wished to help the tenant by doing an initial check and surely reported/sent it back to the owner in the UK and perhaps some pictures as well?

So now the unfortunate tenant has to wait until Property Owner in the UK returns to Cyprus, really is this acceptable giving the tenants desperation and now we are expected to believe he returned and these unfortunate desperate ex tenants, never met with him.



I wonder what efforts were put in to contacting them?.



Surely by now, since he has inspected his property he must have told you or the tenant what deductions if any are going to be made?

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 14:42

Cont/



I’m sure he must have visited your office and hope he at least refunded your monies, as it would be in his interests so that you may find him more tenants. I would have thought he would have left the balance of the deposit with your company to repay and obtain him a receipt.



So now we can imagine, he has returned to the UK and what now? How are these people going to get the balance of their monies, wait once more until he returns?



Was it written into the contract that as owner resides in UK, deposit will be only returned on his arrival back in country and after his and only his inspection?



If that’s the case I hope you advise any potential renters to his property or properties they may have a very long wait to have their deposit returned.

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 14:43

Cont/



Which brings we back to the origin of my posting, regarding unscrupulous Property Owners, I hope you can advise Cyprus44 readers that you are endeavoring with all your best efforts in resolving for the best interests of the victims to recover the balance of their deposit, you surely would agree it’s not their fault the property owner resides in the UK, you have already shown compassion towards them, so I think the many readers here would appreciate seeing this matter resolved soonest.



If you could do this you would help restore faith within your commerce of business.



Very best regards



David

Wiser


Joined: 30/07/2008
Posts: 796

Message Posted:
18/03/2012 19:03

Dear David



If you could come to my office at a time that suits yourself i would be more than happy to answer any questions you have.



Best regards

Lydia