Removal of moderator status

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 10:32

I have just sent an e-mail to Izzet asking him to remove me from the list of moderators. It is obvious that some people think that my style of posting is at odds with being a moderator. I will not change the way I post to suit certain people. Until my removal as a moderator I will not edit or delete anymore post's.

AJ

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 10:38

AJ, you just cant win,

"You can please some of the people some of the time, all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but you can never please all of the people all of the time."

It goes something like that, I am sure I got it wrong. I wouldn't worry about it, you know how these boards are.

They will never be happy. I have no problems with your moderation AJ.

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 10:39

This is a shame.

I don't read all the posts, but of the moderation I have read, I have to say AJ (and Simbas) are (in my opinion) the better of the moderators.

Both do not just edit/delete, they qualify their actions, and warn first, unlike some I have read that are not 'moderators' but 'opinionists'

The resignation of AJ (maybe more will follow) is not a positive step, but I feel not surprising.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 10:47

AJ, I sympathise with the situation you feel you have been put in. I had only posted this morning on the "Missing" thread that I was sure that some moderators would be getting feed up. Mrs Wick & I will be sorry that you are no longer a moderator but we hope you will continue to contribute.

P&J

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 10:48

AJ this has upset me, we havent always seen eye to eye but I think you did an excellent job moderating...please reconsider..



Dee xx

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 10:48

please dont AJ i think you are more than fair. dont let the moaners get you down. they are just would be moderators who want it thier way or no way. please stay. you are doing a great job and it must be so time consuming for all you moderators. please. happy new year to you and you family x

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 11:11

AJ. Stay with it. As has been said many times before, you cannot please everyone. The only issue I have ever had with moderators is the occasional lack of communication, i.e. deleting posts without indicating so, which means the thread becomes non-sensical.



You'll do for me!

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 11:28

I have also asked Izzet to remove my moderator status because I am sick and tired of certain individuals still causing grief on this board. No doubt I will get some sarcastic comment now about how pleased they are!

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 11:29

Aj



I think it is a shame that certain people on here have made you come to this decision. As Turbo say's some people are never happy. Have a rethink!!!!!

Kitty1


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 683

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 11:37

AJ, to be honest I can totally understand your frustration with this and think you should stick with it. I've resisted the urge to speak my mind over the way this board has been over recent months but seeing how you feel has made me want to add my two-penneth.



This board baffles me - people complained when the moderators appeared to be silent and then when they start doing a pretty decent job, people still complain. There appears to be a little band of folk on here who are hell-bent on making life miserable for the people who use this board for it's proper purpose. I've just been stunned recently by the way that a) local enterprise is virtually saboutaged by certain posters b) individuals who are seeking genuine assistance get ridiculed c) nice people who try to brighten other folks day get slagged off for being pointless d) other individuals see this as a place where they can grind their personal axes and e) the moderators can't win.



Keep up the good work AJ. We need you.

Chaz4566


Joined: 31/12/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 11:42

kitty i agree with you, we need to support fellow Britts.





Chaz.

glencoe


Joined: 01/02/2008
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 11:46

Our only concern is that people with vested interests who are moderators should refrain from posting or answering topics pertaining to their personal issues

That apart the moderators do a splendid job and we are glad the moderators are being proactive.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 12:54

Kitty1.. I think that is fairest post I have seen on here for sometime.Well,and accurately said.....

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:06

Moderators, you are dammed if you do and dammed if you dont,

A thankless job but its down to you if you do it or not.



I used to be a football ref and can understand the criticism

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:09

aj

to be truefull i would like to see you the way you were before becoming a moderator!

i think somewhere we lost aj and gained a mod instead.

welcome back to the real world.

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:15

I have no axe to grind with A.J and have found him open and honest in his

dealings on moderation,.to be honest, all i would like to see is an explanation

as to why posts,are deleted or moderated and by who.it would now seem that we have another rule on the forum,in that posts are being curtailed, as serving no purpose.who now deems that the post has no purpose.there are many

threads or posts that have no relevance too n/c. true, but should they be-

curtailed. it would now seem that freedom of speech and freedom of choice to

post are now off the agenda

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:17

AJ, this is absurd. you should not have to resign your position. If people are at odd's with the way you post then quite frankly that's tough on them. I for one would like to see you stay as a Moderator.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:21

I think it is clear that all members want is a curt reply as to why the post has been deleted/edited.

The members have asked for this time and again so what is the problem perhaps Izzet could answer.



We need moderation but we need fair moderation thats all

irishwrath


Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 124

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:21

aj



I like some others urge you to take a few days to mull it over, good luck mate, whatever you decide to do.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:26

There's not many of us left. We happy few.



Lem

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:37

Well said Turtle.



Perhaps a training session for all the moderators is needed so they are all singing off the same song sheet.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:38

AJ is a man of principle & as such I think he has made his mind up, I feel agrieved that he was put in the postion to reach the decision he has. It is now down to the rest of the moderators to do the job they have been asked to do. Lem you do a good job but your lack of a sense of humour lets you down sometimes,lol. So come on everyone & back the remaning moderators, remember we asked for them, we got them, now back them.

P

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 13:52

RE msg 22, The-Wicks : (...) remember we asked for them (...)



===> With all due respect The-Wicks: some board members asked for moderating of this board, but not for the undemocratic parachuting of moderators. If I'd had the possibility to vote in an election of moderators I'd vote for Alsancakjack and Lem and... But unfortunately we were asked nothing.



A democratic way of choosing our own moderators would have given the moderators the authority they now lack.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 14:02

Dutch, with respect I was using the board the weekend when one idiotic person managed to upset everyone using the board & the cries for moderation could almost be heard in the UK let alone the TRNC. It's to late to have elections for mods, Izzet made his decision & it is up to us to put up or shut up. Other members have voted with their feet, thats their choice. I will continue to use this board & keep to the spirit that it is to be used for. This whole thing has got my back up, I believe that AJ should still be a moderator, as do you, but the postion he was put in made it impossible for a person of principle to continue.

P

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 14:40

Well said Paul.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 15:14

Hey AJ !



You'd normally be the first guy I'd ask to have around when the handbags and beer starts flying..



You've got my vote, too .. if it means anything.. Life's to short ...



Mark

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 16:13

hi kitty very well said. i couldnt agree more. just hope AJ knows he has the support and e thinks and not leave the one or two to drive peope away. everyone knows who they are.please dont let them win. otherwise they could become moderators and god help us all then.

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 16:14

AJ & notsobored I'm sad that you both feel that your moderator status has made you feel 'compromised' but sincerely hope that you will both continue to post your views here.

Cyprusquest


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 428

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 16:18

Not tried to moderate and would not do so too hard a task and thankless.



We need you all so please do not desert us.

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 16:54

I've been on other BBs (not Cyprus ones normal ones!) and all the moderators do on those is say "offf topic" or "back on topic please". None of this bitching bitching bitching goes on. And people don't get hounded away for having their own views because there's nothing in the rules about that.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 18:33

I am not surprised that AJ and NSBHW have reached this conclusion. As a moderator I recently returned home from work at 7pm to find E-mails asking why I had not moderated on a particular thread during the afternoon? I was shocked by the inflammatory content of the message and the accusation that I was an unfit moderator for allowing the thread to continue.

How realistic are people with regards to moderation? It is evident that some think we moderators are on this board 24/7 and have no life outside the forum.

There are lots of accusations being made about who is deleting threads and these do not appear to be based on fact or evidence but purely guess work.

Moderation on this board was never going to work...... read the early comments. The criticism started before we even began moderating.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 18:42

Bradus Lemtich simbas & Notsoboredhw



You have my sympathy and best wishes but any leader ( manager ) is only as good as the example he sets.



You have all the best of intentions and the good will to devote you time to this forum but alas some of the newly apointed mods seem to have been on a mission to sanitise posts to their view rather than keep posts within the rules.



Also none of you seem to have been given clear guidelines and asked to put your name to YOUR OWN MODERATION and let the offender know their post has been modified / edited / deleated, had this been the case then in my hunble opinion 99.99 % of negative posts could have been avoided.



Wishing you all ahappy healthy and prosperous new year,



Littlenige ( 50 this year and heading for depression )

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 18:59

Hi Nige , just a little correction here , if you take a closer look , you will see that i do sign when i moderate a post , and have done so since november and so has others . I would be very grateful if you could steer me in the right direction , i am always open to suggestions from people like yourself who have more experience and are willing to share .

Regards , Simbas

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:06

I have only edited 2 posts during my time as a moderator. On both posts I stated the reason for my actions and put my name on the post. As moderators we all agreed to do this and to my knowledge since agreement it has been done.

Perhaps people can give us examples of how posts have been sanitised to support own view point? Like Simbas I am at a loss as to what more we can do and am open to all suggestions.

Val44


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 210

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:19

Bradus.



You do a sterling job. Keep doing as you are doing.

As for being emailed in a threatening manner.

The member should be black listed.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:23

Bradus



Why don't you put the e-mail on the forum and have the person banned

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:29

Simbas



I was not saying you had not signed your posts, ( so sorry if i gave that impression )



I was saying if whoever on all occasions signed their post this post has been moderated because it did this that and the other and emailed the member concerned then most of the members dissatisfaction could have been avoided.



In my humble opinion ( yes we are all still learning )

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:34

Because I dealt with it myself rather than cause further ill feeling and back biting. Haven't we all seen too much of this already?

I did by the way also receive an aplogy.

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:53

I certainly agree with many posters if they are having the posts moderated or even removed with no explaination. Back at the begining of december on this thread http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/8281.asp I posted the following:



"Seems to me that you cannot make everyone happy. A couple of weeks ago this forum got totally out of control and everyone was screaming out for a moderator to do something. Action has been taken.



I have not had to use my moderator powers as of yet and would certainly not abuse them. If I were to delete a post, I would edit all the text from it (so the message number would still be there and make a moderator note to say why this has been done (with my name on it too). Surely this has to be the fairest way to deal with it. This would then make my actions answerable to the whole forum. We must get away from any cloak and dagger situations and have total trust or we are just going to end up with a them and us situation."

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 19:55

Perhaps if my suggestion had been adopted by all mods then we would not have the situation we are in now. Although I know some do make justifications on their actions but not all.

Val44


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 210

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 20:06

Small suggestion if I may.

Why don't you open a private moderators thread where you can discuss policy?

It seems you are all willing tp learn and pull in the same direction.

Cypfan


Joined: 10/10/2008
Posts: 104

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 20:08

AndyP,



Spot on.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 20:16

AndyP.....I'm sure your intentions are honourable , but you are in danger of falling into the trap of pitting moderator against moderator,which will only serve the interests of those members with an axe to grind against moderation in general.



You moderators are all individuals,with different biases and viewpoints.

You will NEVER all sing from the same hymn sheet and neither should you !



I presume that Izzet picked you for your individual attributes,and hopefully together you can provide a balanced , valuable service.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:11

Aj,



I am really sorry to have learnt of your decision to resign as moderator.



As I stated at the time , it would take a very brave man to take up that position.



Over the past 2/3 months the personal insults, and backbiting members, have siezed control of the board. It was a virtually impossible task to rectify that situation, and to be seen as fair and independant. In removing unacceptable posts, it was bound to appear that you were being overbearing in your allotted tasks.It was nigh on impossible to appear impartial.



I have numerous off board E mails from members, who say the quality of postings have just gone downhill. For my own part, I have reduced my contributions to almost nil



One only has to look who is posting more, now that they have seen away the true contributors. The banal and pastronising posts. Again , I said at the time, You get what you pay for!



My last major posting was entitkled Heal the Board. It was a genuine gesture to point out that we we

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:13

AJ, why not just resign and not make a song and dance about it ??



If you don't want to do it any more, no probs, i'm sure there will be someone who does.





Nick

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:18

Message 45 - As far as I can see, AJ has NOT made a song and dance about it. He simply posted that he no longer wished to be a moderator! I think if you look back at the posts, they have been made by members offering support and stating that (most of us) we are sorry that he's made that decision.

J

redtom


Joined: 30/12/2008
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:22

Aj Notsobored stick with it you do a wonderfull Job.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:23

were heading in the wrong direction.



Get rid of the people whose sole contribution is to criticise other members. They have little to contribute. Personal insult rule must be strictly adhered to.



This board has a future, but only if Izzet accepts, what made it the great board that it became in the first place.



Izzet....Ask the members what they want members to post about in the first place. You keep saying that the board belongs to the members. You had better believe it!



What really concerns me is the number of people who say they have left to post on Nigels board. THEY DID NOT WANT TO! My particular brand of loyalty was repaid by having my posts removed.



Like many I stick in here, because I used to enjoy it, and I am hoping that it can be sorted out. I also believe in LOYALTY.



This board is being ruined by people who are so full of their own importance, who only post banal and personal comments, that they live in danger of dissappearing up their own backsides.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:28

Izzet, Let the members spear, but more importantly, listen to what they say.



You have built a wonderful board, do not let the small minded and inadequate spoil your dream.



I fully expect to be moderated off the board. So be it! It was good while it lasted!



Finally, thank you all the true and loyal friends that I have made by being a member.



AJ When we meet I would like to buy you a pint. You sir, are an honourable man.



wyn

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:32

Message deleted for personal insult - ltd

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:35

mess 50 - Can't see the point of your message ?



Surely time for a moderator to put this thread out of it's misery ??





Nick







I agree Nick - ltd

livethedream


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:39

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
02/01/2009 21:39

Message 51 - Nick - it's a personal matter. Actually, I couldn't see the point of your message 45 either.

I have to agree - I, too, think it's probably time to put this thread out of its misery.

J