No More Abuse

JulieSmith


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
13/12/2007 19:13

I have been reading various forums. All British People are complaining about different Establishments from Estate Agents, Butchers, Card Shops, Restaurants, Bars, Hotels, Supermarkets etc.

From Now on, Please do not complain about these Establishments you are the Ones that are putting New Tourist off from visting North Cyprus.

The People of this Country are all Lovely, and they all work hard under the Pressure of Embargoes.

Please Praise them for there efforts, not put them down, this is happening on Different Notice boards too.

Please all Members keep it Clean. If you have a complaint tell that Establishment Personally. They will thank you if u see anything wrong and will make sure it will not happen again.



IF YOUR NOT HAPPY WITH NORTH CYPRUS ESTABLISHMENTS PLEASE LEAVE THE COUNTRY NOW.

victoriasloss


Joined: 27/04/2007
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
13/12/2007 19:30

Sorry Julie, but until a solution is found for the British who have been conned out of a few million pounds then the more Tourists and investors that are put off - the better. If we can stop even one person being scammed, then we will be happy. 2008 will be a new year and a whole new "ball game". We will be excerting more and more pressure, more and louder protests with the hope that the corrupt withing the TRNC will fnally listen - we hope this would be befire the economy collapes. if this happens they have. Julie you are not living in the real world - the TRNC is corrupt and this corrution runs right though the "Establishment" - believe me we have been shown evidence of this !



Look at a previous posting





Dear Victoriasloss



I am so very sorry for your plight and understand the anguish you must all be feeling. Personally, I belive that going to more solicitors is throwing money down the drain and I believe that the HBG have done all that they can for your group. Like all corrupt governments in the world, your only recourse now is to MARCH with banners. You have nothing to lose - let them arrest all the people that have lost everything. Let the world see how the law really works.



Gerne 29 is absolutely right - you are our proctection. World publicity is now your only recourse for justice. And if all those developers want to continue making money, LET THEM MARCH WITH YOU. All those self-satisfied people who think they went to good developers but don't have their title deeds - LET THEM MARCH WITH YOU. Lastly, all those satisfied people sitting in their homes with their title deeds, LET THEM MARCH WITH YOU.



Whatever you do, PLEASE DON'T APOLOGISE to people on this forum who think that because they'e OK, NO ONE ELSE HAS THE RIGHT TO FIGHT FOR



a m i n i m u m STANDARD of a very basic human right - THE RIGHT TO OWN A PROPERTY WHICH YOU PAID FOR.



Read

http://www.trncpropertywarning.freewebsites.com



and you will know to what I refer, from your English I assume you are not of UK origin, therefore if you are a TC - look to some of your own corrupt citizens and Government Officials

























ONLY THEMSELVES TO BLAME

lovelife


Joined: 07/07/2007
Posts: 231

Message Posted:
13/12/2007 21:43

Julie

Yes ma'am I promise to get my home work in on time, Julie I feel I have just been lectured to. Now I see you are new to the forum and you are most welcome,and of course you are entitled to your opinion, if you read our various postings you will see we discuss many topics from the lighthearted, the trivial, the informative to the serious and the contentious. I am not aware of complaints about butchers etc, perhaps that is on other forums of which I have no experience, but surely people are entilted to post their experiences, whether they be positive or negative, and if people who are unfortunate to have been conned/lost thousands of pounds at the hands of conmen (like Victoria and others) then it should be written about, if only to warn others.

I am aware of the friendly people and their constant struggle to be recognised and to make a decent living, and because it is so friendly is one of the reasons why my husband and I have purchased in the TRNC, it is a beautiful part of Cyprus and I am sure that is why everyone else has.

LL

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
13/12/2007 22:29

WOW. THATS TOLD US!

Some how Julie I don't think that the posters on this board are the sort of people that just roll over and accept things we believe to be unjust. There but the grace of God springs to mind on some of the things that we have heard about on this and other forums. Are you from one of the "I'm alright Jack" club?

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
13/12/2007 22:30

ll cool j

you took the words right out of my mouth i totally agree with you lovelife!!!!



Now juliesmith like lovelife has said you are new to this forum and you are welcome but you should have taken time out and read all the subjects and all postings before starting a new subject about no more abuse

this forum has many subjects like what ll has said and i must say this forum is well behaved, views are discussed rationally amongst posters from all walks of life, we do get a few wally posters but hey this is the worls wide web

and if certain posters want to share their experiances good or bad then so be it and sometimes some posters views do clash like victoria and various other posters on the unwins thread and thats down to you if you want to get involed



can i just say one thing and this is not just directed to you victoria because i do admire you how you have managed to hang on in there with everything that has been thrown at you and no one can really comment till it has happend to them and if theres one postive thing to come out of this your voice is being heard at least with people who are buying so they dont make the same mistakes you did, but its not all doom and gloom in north cyprus and all government and most of the citizens are not crooked



now my closing comments to julie-smith you might have seen and experianced some bad abuse by other posters on other forums cos i know i have but this forum has a understanding between posters, and please stick around and you will see for yourself and if you need any help or advice please dont hesitate in posting because their are lot of experianced posters who know their stuff

regards to you all

ukturk

davidoff


Joined: 21/04/2007
Posts: 438

Message Posted:
14/12/2007 01:43

Hi all,



ALL I CAN SAY JULIE IS GO READ THE WWW.TOPIX.COM FORUM ON CYPRUS THEN COME BACK ON HERE AND TALK!!!!



I think youll find that this forum is in fact one of the most decent and less offensive of them all!!!!



Take care-D

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
14/12/2007 06:28

this reply is in support of ukturk , ll and davidoff i think they have said it all and i think most of fellow forum users will agree freedom of speech is every body's right

have a good day all

regards simbas

grahamlil


Joined: 10/10/2007
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
14/12/2007 10:39

JulieSmith

Am I very grateful for forums like this, I believe I am bright enough to sift out the bad mouthing from the real information, I am looking at buying and retiring to TRNC and forums like this have been invaluable.

In general there are many very informed people on this forum, people like ukturk, who keep the truth grounded.

But everyone is entitled to there opinion, so welcome to the forum.



Regards all, grahamlil

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
14/12/2007 19:42

IF YOUR NOT HAPPY WITH NORTH CYPRUS ESTABLISHMENTS PLEASE LEAVE THE COUNTRY NOW.



So Julie, when you have not been happy with the service in any country in the world, from restaurant or shop, you have immediately left that country.I think not!



Last year we had a bad christmas party meal ,just nowhere near worth the money and lousy attitude when we complained.I told a few people of our experience ., guess what? ,nobody told me to leave the country.



There has been many posts recommending the service and value of various places ,and I have a list of restaurants taken from sites such as this that I use.

As a matter of fact I probably couldnt name any bad ones off the top of my head.

Finally, how do you think your post looks to someone contemplating visiting or investing.My neighbour in trnc is a T.C business man and believe me he is only too willing to complain himself and recommend where to go and where not to go.

marik


Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
15/12/2007 10:35

Being new to the board, but not new to the country, may I point out that YES we do have corruption throughout government departments and throughout the building industry in this little country of 200000 ish people most of whom are inter related, and it is very hard to break up something as deep rooted, there is also the greed aspect, money and power changes people, we the foreign nationals must shoulder the blame for a fair proportion of what is going on here, after all we saw an opportunity to buy properties at one of the cheapest prices in the Med and dived in head first, a lot got their fingers burnt (badly) but some have got homes to be proud of, it surely must be a case of let the buyer beware, there are good and bad everywhere, just look at what is happening in your own countries, and do not be so blinkered as to say there is no corruption, it is rife.

Finally, the Turkish Cypriot community know within themselves that they have many problems, but only they can sort it, and a lot of them have already started, so lets all help them and forget the petty infighting and bickering among the ex pat community, lets get behind the good uns and just shun the bad uns, they will soon get the message

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
15/12/2007 12:58

Well said Marik,

Every country will have some form of corruption,england being no exeption.Some people need to take there blinkered heads out from the sand and take a more represpective view of life.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
15/12/2007 13:33

True Marik,

the problem lies with knowing who are the good the bad and the ugly? I think what is long overdue is a collection of peoples experiences. So that we gather a list of highly recommended builders, estate agents and lawyers or helpful people and perhaps even furniture stores, trades people? People should however only be allowed to contribute when they have seen the process right through to the end.We wouldn't want to be recommending people who don't hand over their title deeds or leave people stuck with no landscaping or roads. I am sure many of us are getting to this stage or could already contribute. I think this would be really positive and counteract all the bad publicity in a more constructive way as well as promoting the builders and agents that deserve to be praised. Come on start blogging.

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
17/12/2007 12:03

Hi Julie,

I agree that the people of NC are super, I love them to bits . Once someone has met them first hand they know this and this forum or any other is not going to put any fair minded person off buying there.

I wish however that I had had the benefit of this forum two years ago when I bought, as the positive posts would have helped just as much as the negative ones, to show me what mistakes I was making and made life a lot easier all round.

I am still not put put off by the problems which I have encountered and I am still eagerly awaiting completion, and everything that will bring. I just wish I knew when it might be. The people causing me anguish are not Cypriots and could be operating in any country in the world. It is just unfortunate for me that they are operating in TRNC and I met them before being able to read this forum. Hey Ho, such is life!

BB

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/12/2007 12:19

The people are all lovely.



For heavens sake Julie, a welcome smile does not excuse corruption, lies, theft and deception. Cypriots, in general, are nice natured - I married one, but the system is utterly corrupt and absolutely nobody can be trusted.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
17/12/2007 13:05

hi guys

i think we have scared off juliesmith by being too nice!!!! lol

we should have been a bit more abusive maybe she would have stayed

well never mind there is more plenty fish in the sea!!! lol



namus even thou i do agree with you the system is corrupt its a case of not what you know but who you know!!!!

there are still lots of cypriot people who are honest and trustworthey, but its a case of all the dishonest and crooks who get all the headlines

their is good and bad of every race and culture and that includes the expats who live in cyprus aswell, quite a few i have met i found out to be quite two faced and look what ive got and achevied mentallity but thats not all the commuinity

regards to all

ukturk

livethedream


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
17/12/2007 17:34

Well said Erkan. I find myself becoming increasingly frustrated when people tar every cypriot with the same brush. My husband and his family (TCs) are some of the most loving and hospitable people I have met. Yes there's corruption here but I wouldn't move back to the UK for anything (just have to glance at the UK papers, it's not just here!!!).



Keep up the good work ukturk!

namus


Joined: 23/06/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
17/12/2007 18:53

Good and bad the world over but most countries have a process of applying justice.

TRNC does not obey the rule of law, have an independent judiciary, impartial lawyers or any basic form of legal redress. This is nothing to do with embargoes but simple corrupt politicians.



As UKturk said, it is who you know. I would go a stage further and say that if you have money in TRNC (a property developer?) you can do as you please with a disregard to the law.

marik


Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
18/12/2007 04:32

Erkan has paid many platitudes but he has said on more than one occasion on this board - that in this country it is not what you know but WHO you know - surely to any normal human being this statement alone tells you that the system stinks of corruption

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
18/12/2007 06:58

Hi marik welcome to the board ,as it has been said many many times before on this board , its not just nc that suffers corruption , its everywhere in the world in some shape or form . no country is immune , you only have to watch the news on a daily basis to be reminded of it

have a good day simbas

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
18/12/2007 10:54

hi guys

like what marik has said i have said this saying a few times on this board but i have also like what simbas has said there is corruption everywhere especially in the u.k but the thing is we dont hear about this so much in the u.k because its all covered up and plus it does not directly concern us like the e.u the most corrupt of them all, polticians i.e cash for questions- money and tax laundering through party donations i.e asil nadir he paid the northern ireland minister michael mates to ask questions on his behalf to the house of commons and he was also one of the biggest contributors to the conservative party, some might say thats typical cos he is turkish cypriot but guys it takes two to tango and proves michael mates was corupt and also most factions of the consertive party were dodgy



in the u.k like cyprus there are dodgy builders, dodgy buisness ready to exploit somebodys lack of knowledge in that field thats why we have programmes like the cook report and macintye and these are the things that affect us



also i fully understand people concerns on this subject because i grew up in the u.k but not forgetting i am turkish cypriot, i am starting to take a bit of offence in some of the comments of people always drilling into people that the turkish cypriots are corrupt - not honest - and basically bad people, well all my family and friends are honest - trustworthey - hard working people and some of them hold very important jobs in the civil sector and they havent got a bad bone in them and most of the population are as straight as a pencil but its those bad percentage of people in cyprus who get all the publicity



now this is not directed to anyone in particular but if posters feel so strongly that cypriot people are not trustworthey - corrupt and generally bad pepole i suggest maybe not coming over to cyprus selling up and moving to somewhere they feel a bit more safe like spain or france where there is no corruption!!!! (yeah right)

im all for fredom of speech and making sure newbies understand that their is corruption especially in the property sector but please lets not scare these people away because its down to us to promote north cyprus the people who live - work - holiday here on this lovely island thats the only way forward in this situation and lets turn this negativity into postivity, and two wrongs dont make a right especially in this subject where a newbie (juliesmith) commented on how crooked all buisness are in cyprus and all forums including our beloved one only have disgruntled and rude posters on here there which if she took the time out to read the forum she is completly wrong maybe on the ones she has been on where there is south cypriots and north cypriots argueing amongest themselves and the brainwashed expats who only belive in one side of a coin or the first story they hear must be gospel!!!!!



sorry to go on a bit but i feel i had to express how i feel and any of you newbies want help or advice just ask me anyone will tell you i tell it how it is straight down the middle either it be good or bad

take care all

ukturk



p.s its typical that someone who is new to this forum comes on here starts a subject that has not got a clue about and then does not bother to post again and leaves us to argue or disagree amongest ourselves maybe these people are greek cypriot sympathisers!!!!

Milou


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
18/12/2007 12:10

Dear Gang



There seems to be a misconception that the difference betwen TRNC and UK is that in UK you have RECOURSE TO JUSTICE - YOU DON'T.



1. Old people who have their homes sold before given care, have no recourse.

2. People with slightly lower I.Q. have their children taken away for the sake of quotas, even though they are good parents, have no recourse.

3. Old people who are often ill treated in GOVERNMENT ESTABLISHMENTS have no recourse - too drugged or too frightened.

2. Young children who are STILL TODAY being sexually abused in homes have no recoure - often too young and frightened to speak up.

3. The THOUGHT POLICE who knock at your door because you might fundamentally disagree with something - have no recourse - NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH - NO RIGHT TO DEMOCRACY.

4. Parents who believe that they are responsible for children under 16 have no recouse when their daughter has a right to an abortion without the knowledge of the parent - High Court has just ruled in favour of child.

5. I can have my phoned taped at any time by the police without any recourse.

6. I can be arrested for carrying a pepper cannister - no right to self defence - no rescourse.

7. When doctors have the right to starve old people to death - there is no recourse.

8. Young men who are sent to war for £1,000 per monh and who often come back with terrible injuries, get no help whilst their chiefs live in the lap of luxury - no recourse.



The important question to ask in any corrupt society is how civilized is that society - even in Africa, where I grew up and where corruption is rife, NO ONE WOULD TREAT people the way this country does particularly, if you consider just how RICH we're supposed to be compared to Africa.



Sometimes, I am ashamed that I carry a British Passport and sometimes I am so sorry for my husband who as an englishman used to believe so much that this was a FREE, HONEST and DEMOCRATIC country - it must be difficult for him - I have no illusions.



Regards

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
18/12/2007 12:41

Hi milou Those are pretty quite strong personal statements you make there, and to be fair you could be talking about any country the world. so to blast any one nation is so very wrong in my view. i dispute your theory of no one would treat people that way in africa i have seen so much of it there myself having roots there myself so if you are going to make such strong statements then get you facts right first. and as for your ashamed passport , renounce it if it aggrieves you so much

regards simbas

spud1


Joined: 22/05/2007
Posts: 544

Message Posted:
18/12/2007 12:42

hi all i had my first visit to north cyprus in march this year i found everybody very friendly i purchased a property in esentepe and have been back on 5 times and it is still the same i love it there the people are great cant wait to return to meet all my new friends regards spud1

Milou


Joined: 15/10/2007
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
18/12/2007 13:56

Hi Simbas



My intention was not to offend but to try to make people see that things are also going wrong in UK and that people, whilst fearing the corruption in the TRNC, should be more fearful of what is happening in UK.



In being granted a British passport, my government has expected a certain standard of good citizenship from me - I believe that in accepting my passport I too, have the right to ask of my government a certain standard of civilized behavour.



I don't speak about other countries in this but I do speak about this country.



As far as Africa's behaviour toward it's people is concerned, I understand what you are trying to say and should not have used "any one" but again personally, if I was old and needed help and had a choice, I would absolutely prefer to put my trust in those people, I say this with no arrogance.



Kind regards

kaz13


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
12/01/2008 21:47

hi guys i would like to say i dont think julie smith is on the same planet as us she has just made a compleat lie up about my bar complaining that she was over charged and i surposed to of said that it pays for my rent that i might add i dont pay and the entertanmant , after all what she said about not conplaining i can honestly say i dont think she as even been in my bar so julie if you do read this please get your fakes right , and please stop running people down because you never no you might need people like us one day yourself

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
13/01/2008 10:37

Kaz,



That was a mouthful, with only two pieces of punctuation!



MC

kaz13


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
13/01/2008 11:35

ha ha sorry mc not to good at punctuation , or spelling come to that but i do try .

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
13/01/2008 12:24

JulieSmith



you say " IF YOUR NOT HAPPY WITH NORTH CYPRUS ESTABLISHMENTS PLEASE LEAVE THE COUNTRY NOW."



Imagine saying that in the uk to any one that complains about life, the establishment or how imigrents are treated.

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
13/01/2008 13:38

A majority of the hostelries are fab. We stayed in a villa behind the bar discussed and we had many a pleasant evening there.



regards



SSP

ABAG

http://www.freewebs.com/agabuyersactiongroup/

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
14/01/2008 00:50

Namus, you're so negative, have you had a bad experience?

marik


Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
14/01/2008 08:11

Hey everyone, guess what, has nobody picked this one up

HOW TWO FACED CAN YOU GET - HERE IS THE BOLD JULIE SMITH

telling us all on this thread that we should leave the country if we dont like things yet the same person writes into the thread for the Altinkaya residence bar slating them off TWO FACED OR WHAT !!!!

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
14/01/2008 08:34

marik it does seem julie is a bit confused or is it simply she does'nt have anything of interest to post about , its a real shame , she has to resort to hypocrisy .

have a good day simbas

kaz13


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
14/01/2008 12:37

well put marik , and simbas , the woman needs to go and see a docter , i cant belive she targeted me i wished she would come down and see me face to face , because i am shore she as never even steped foot in by bar , because no one as ever complaned to me i would of remembered . please if you get a chance you two lovley peps pop in and see me i owe you both a drink , and i promise i wont charge you for entertainment haha take care have a good day

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
14/01/2008 12:48

Good luck karen

regards pat

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
14/01/2008 13:16

Hi Pilgrim



To understand Namus's position then you need to read this thread



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/373.asp