Does the Bogaz area need this?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 16:30

The new Irina Paradiso development at Bogaz consists of 8 Apartment blocks of 22 storeys high. This is supposed to be a fantastic project.



Do you think the Bogaz area needs a development such as this? Will it be good for the area?

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 16:32

Bill - won't they look like tower blocks? I thought there were regulations in place (ha ha) to restrict building heights?

Jayne


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 16:35

Oh my god! I have seen an artist impression of this and it looks dreadful! I thought there were regulations here too!

simbas



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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 16:44

Where in the Bogaz are these going to be No 1 ? There are supposed to be restrictions but then ......

Simbas

jurgen


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 17:28

It is indeed dreadfull !! Check it on http:// http://www.irinaparadiso.com

Jurgen

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 17:28

Pat, see this link:



http://www.iansmithestate.com/Search.aspx?auto=true&minPrice=&maxPrice=&townID=32&minRooms=&maxRooms=

Tatlisu4me


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 17:35

Looks like Benidorm to me !

maybemike


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 17:47

yes bring it on money to the place

simbas



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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 17:49

Oh dear god , is this a taste of things to come ?

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 17:52

Looks terrible.

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 17:56

This looks appalling!



Harold

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 18:17

I agree it does look apalling and is not what we thought would be allowed in NC.



BUT



Look at Varosha pre 74, it was a high rise seaside holiday resort.



If there is reunification, NC would be opened up for property development and probably a dramatic increase in tourism from direct flights with budget carriers.

Larnaca, Ercan and Gecitkale are all within reasonable coach transfer.



Varosha will obviously have to be demolished, so what will be built to replace it? 2/3 story properties for the few, or large scale hi-rises to attract thousands?



I think I know which way the 'planners' would go. ;-(





Rob

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 18:21

I'm afraid you are right Rob. If reunification goes ahead North Cyprus will be a boom town for the developers of the tourist industry.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 18:23

Dubai comes to the TRNC, it really is horrible.

P

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 18:26

Possibly the future though Paul!

DONTY


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 18:33

I think it would look wrong on the north coast amongst the pretty (ish) villages but the Bogaz area is currently a bit barren and lifeless IMO. So I for one dont mind it and others like it that are planned and think it is just what Cyprus needs to compete with more glamourous locations. Personally I miss indoor shopping centres, wave machines in pools, bowling alleys that work etc etc



Also the rules for build height varies in different areas. For example Nicosia has higher buildings and as I understand it the Bogaz coastline is projected to be the high rise, coastal condo zone.



Dont forget that we dont live in an traditional Cypriot theme park and change is coming whether you like it or not. Oh and dont believe the agent who says they wont build on that lovely field in front of you cos they probably will.

lovingcyprus


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 18:39

Looks good to me, perhaps they could build a few more hotels as well as these are badly needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 18:44

Bill in that case the future looks bleak.

Paul

wattys


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 18:51

Matybemike



Your right bring it on, to get tourists into NC we need deveopments like this, it may not suit everyone but the need to get further investment into the area is very much needed.

billybuck


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 18:59

I think it looks great

girne 29


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 19:06

"to get tourists into NC we need deveopments like this"



If you like holidaying in the set of Blade Runner or Judge Dredd,that is.



If thats the attempt to improve the tourist industry ,then they certainly need professional help!



How much of Four and a Half Fingers Mountain will be left with yet more quarrying.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 19:19

I think most of us agree NC desperately needs Inward Investment, Direct flights, Effective Infrastructure, no embargoes etc. etc.



Development will happen but hopfully in a structured way. That's something that appears below the horizon with the current authorities.



In the UK there are areas where high density development can be accommodated, but I'm sure none of us would want to see 30 story blocks in every Cornish fishing village.



OoohErr!...... Does that sound a bit 'nimby'?



Rob

CJtill


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 19:24

Its ideal for the twin centre holidaymakers who generally fly out from Gatwick.

Week One in Aya Napa where you can go clubbing all hours, starting the obiligatary fight with the locals about the street price of H, and then bringing the content of your stomach up all over your dance partner, and then back to the hotel at 5am making as much noise as you can on the way, then week 2 over at Bogaz where you can really let your hair down.

We welcome this with open arms.

DONTY


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 19:27

Girne29



Ever been to Miami? Biscayne Boulevard? It looks great and its covered in high-rise, high-class condos.



Just like Bogaz, South Florida is a flat featureless place and the buildings are well designed and help make the place the jetset location that it is.



I have lived here full time for over 5 years and this place needs more than just bars, restaurants and donkeys. I know they are planning more than just apartments at this development and cant wait to ride the flowmaster wave machine thingy, go tenpin bowling, watch a movie and then pop round to the Russian Disneyworld for a go on the log flume.



Its got to beat staring at the sea with a gin in your hand trying to think what to do that you havent done 1000 times before!

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 19:41

Can I just ask how many of those who dislike this so much are actually cypriots with the exception of Simbas...please remember this is not our country..if the cypriots themselves condemn it then so be it, personally I don't have a problem with it as it will bring much needed revenue and will provide much needed employment, sadly this island has nothing to export or at least very little, it survives on its history of sunshine and sort of unspoilt ( in places) scenery...



Lets keep an open mind for the time being...

DONTY


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 19:50

How many of the people responding actually live here full time and how many people just stay in their holiday home for a few weeks a year?



maybemike

Although we think alike on this subject, I also think that immigrants living here, paying taxes etc should have some voice too. imagine if the feelings of minorities like Cypriots, Turks and Asians who live in the UK were not taken into consideration! wouldn't that be racist?

maybemike


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 19:57

i think you will find, its the brits that are not taken into consideration in the uk.





lol





maybe

maybemike


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 20:27

and that is why we chose to come and live here...and the cheap property and good interest rates, let see as I said how the cyps feel, why should we deny them a good or should I say better standard of living, I know there are many brits here who are terrified of this place ending up like 'benidorm' that will never happen and the interest rate dropping, that will happen but we cannot have it our way all the time, whilst we are enjoying the fruits of our hard earned cash the tc's are paying for it.

jurgen


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 20:50

Maybemike , I agree with your point of vieuw. When I wrote ' it is dreadfull' I meant the architecture of the buildings.

Jurgen

maybemike


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Posts: 188

Message Posted:
22/01/2009 21:01

Ok Jurgen, altho I agree to a point, it had to happen, I suppose its progress, but how has this multi storey been allowed, it clearly contravenes the planning laws here.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 21:02

Paul, message 18. It certainly does if there are going to be high rise hotels all over the place!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 21:49

"How many of the people responding actually live here full time and how many people just stay in their holiday home for a few weeks a year?"



What period of residency is required before commenting?



The question was whether such a site is whats needed in Bogaz, and was open to all ,TC, Brit, Frenchman,visitor ,expat. Nobody is saying the right to comment gives us the right to tell people that live here what to do.

I am sure the TC's are quite capable of making there own judgements,and quite capable of joining the debate.

I dont live in the Cairngorms, the Alps, the Serengeti,but still have the right to comment on what I might see as the evironmental damage and that includes visual ,caused by a policy.

We dont need to live in America to comment on USA and the Kyoto protocol,or in Brazil to denounce the destruction of the rain forest



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As for,dont say anything naughty as we are guests,well, we are all guests of this planet until the next generation of guests take ove

Nunu1


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 536

Message Posted:
22/01/2009 21:50

By the time TRNC get a North and south solution we will be all dead and buried!



35 Years its been going on...Talk, Talk, Talk Talk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



NOTHING Ever gets done!



I doubt if the place will ever take off!



Wish Id never stepped foot in the Bleedin place!



nunu1

jock1



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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 21:54

Pie in the sky.....

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 21:58

Girne29. Good post.

DONTY


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 22:06

Planning laws are different in each region. On the east coast, higher buildings are permitted.



I think the TRNC is getting ready to compete with the south if and when the island unites. Varosha will be rejuvinated by the south and the north want their piece of the mass tourism money. Can't blame them really.



I personally think that the 3 storey apartment blocks that have been built in the villages of Lapta and Alsancak are a bigger eyesore as they have ruined the traditional look of the place and pity the poor locals who live next door in their old one storey bungalows who dont get the sun on their Yeni Dunya trees anymore.

With build percentages of 90% in these villages, developers have seen an easy profit and rushed in to make a killing and spoiled these attractive locations whereas the land just north of Bogaz is barren with no local housing or even trees nearby.



p.s. Who bought an apartment in Lapta or Alsancak?

DONTY


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 22:27

Girne29



maybemike suggested Cypriots could condemn or approve of the site. I think this is valid and believe anyone else who is affected should be able to do the same.

But whilst I may have feelings about an issue in a country in which I dont reside I also appreciate that as an non resident I probably have less understanding of the situation compared to residents and no real rights to protest unless we were talking about environmental disaster.



By the way, I wish England still looked like the place I grew up in but it doesn't.



Folks. The world is a fast changing place and if you want to be a 'pioneer' in a relatively unspoiled country understand that settlers will follow so you need to either keep on moving or become a settler and watch it change.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
22/01/2009 23:29

Donty



Agree somewhat,but I didnt say change was always bad,merely that one should be allowed to comment on any that are bad.

If nobody but a local should protest about anything, anywhere in the world ,unless, as you say ,we are talking about an environmental disaster,then it becomes too late and pointless to protest.

If one shouldnt comment pro or anti on any subject in NC if one doesnt live there , tho even that isnt allowed as one is then a guest,then the same could apply on any matter anywhere in the world.



If a foreigner in UK comments on Irish Sea radiation pollution,I would be offended if another foreigner objected on my behalf on the pretext that I might be upset ,It would be patronising me to think I couldnt agree or at least acknowledge a negative comment .Especially if I agreed with first foreigner.



The question was posed as to whether development was good, answer for me was No. if I lived in NC for 1 week or 10years ,it wouldnt alter the shape and size.

DONTY


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Posts: 534

Message Posted:
22/01/2009 23:43

I personally disagree with loads of low density villas being built across the whole country and would much prefer high density habitation with urban sprawl limited to certain areas. Then i can leave my high level condo and escape to rural areas without coming across loads of villas taking up a huge footprint in the locations that are currently green and pretty.



One answer would be for no one to buy a property in North Cyprus thus leaving it in its natural state but what about the locals who want their country to develop and become wealthy and us foreigners who want to enjoy this place? Its a catch 22 situation with only one solution. buy a tent!

fire starter


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Message Posted:
23/01/2009 11:37

i was recently speaking with a guy who has a clothing business at that end of the island, he was saying how bad things are right now.

they need more investment there.



recently our tc frined commented on a new small development which is in the next village to us. he thought the houses were too close together and garden were not sucluded enought, which was a recipy for disaster and problems when lots of people live too close together. so tc's do think on the same lines as us, most anyway.

he also commented when a neighbour painted his house yellow, that it looked like a nightclub!



in our village we have 80% build but this is not so large as it sounds, as it is 50% downstairs and 30% upstairs. not as 80% of the land size.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
23/01/2009 11:53

Perhaps this new investment will help the area then!