homes for auction at Bellapaise

myservices


Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 15:31

Sunday 10am. Auction to be held somewhere near the Abbey.



Would you like to purchase a big plot of land for just 800,000 pounds at the auction (you can have 3 families who paid the full purchase thrown in) one couple being 70 years old and having lived there for nearly 20 years...they will be easy to throw out! And another 6 couples who paid the full purchase price but had to return to the UK after learning the landowner/seller was a professional liar in not informing any of the purchasers about the debt he had to the builder and in not paying Kibtek and thus being cut off 2 years ago. Please read Kibris or Cyprus Today, page 1 for more info. OR would you like to attend the auction and support those people that paid the full asking price and which the Government are not helping one bit.

WildOlive


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 15:45

Could someone publish page 4 please?



There are around 10 purchasers, including ourselves, (British and Turkish Cypriots) facing eviction from our homes if tomorrow's auction is allowed to proceed!



One adovate (Munir Akil), based in Girne conducted most of the sales contacts, including our own (two other lawyers were also involved in selling/drawing up contracts).



Munir Akil was 'introduced' by the builder to the purchasers, and both were totally convincing in their reassurances, not just to ourselves but to also to other buyers, in confirming that the properties were free of all encumbrances.



One purchaser has an original letter from Munir Akil stating: 'I hereby confirm from the searches carried out that there are no encumbrances, registered charges, mortgages, injunctions, interim orders, or any other charges or impediments over the property”.



I have permission from the purchaser to put on this website but I don't know how to do it?



Our opinion is that this let

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 15:45

This is disgraceful but I fear that this could happen more and more even to us, as Medview have taken a mortgage out on our properties at Esentepe. The best thing to do is not to bid at this auction, if no one bids then none of the properties will be sold. Can anyone post what is being said in the Kibris Star about this please. As this paper is owned by Mr Ali Safa who also owns Medview Homes. Who have taken the mortgage out on our properties.



The butler

WildOlive


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 15:48

Sorry part 2:



Our opinion is that this letter combined with yesterday's Girne District Court decision could be interpreted as bringing the whole of the TRNC legal system into disrepute?!



There are many other developments where 'innocent' purchasers are caught in the middle of disputes e.g. landowner has mortgaged the land without purchasers' agreement etc.



The HBPG are fully aware/involved/supprting our situation and please show your support by getting to the Bellapais Cafe before 10.00 am tomorrow.



Collectively we must prevent this development going auction tomorrow.



Thank you!!



Neil



Further detail earler thread http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/17713.asp



and links below as published in the Cyprus Today (24.06.09).



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3348/3660013656_7a8029f62c_b.jpg



http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/3660013660_b01fd19445_b.jpg

myservices


Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:02

Hi Wildolive.



I wish we could sue the lawyers.....my purchasing lawyer did not even do a search and now after reading your post I can see that even if Mr Liatsos did it may have shown nothing. Also why did our litigation lawyers not suggest making an application for the auction to only include those empty villas and unsold land when they were first informed about 2 years ago I wonder.

mixie


Joined: 16/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:24

This post is just too awful for words. I am at home in Scotland now and so I cannot assist in your protest but my thought will be with you tomorrow.

Mixie

Graham


Joined: 20/10/2007
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:27

Page 4 for people who don't mind infringing copy rights.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/grazncaz/3709148271/sizes/l/

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:33

This scandalous state of affairs makes me seriously question whether I want to maintain a holiday home in a country which shamelessly turns a blind eye to this level of corrupt practice.



If the TRNC wants to gain favourable recognition around the world , then this is certainly NOT the way to go about it.



They deserve all the bad press,and the subsequent economic consequences that this will bring.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:33

The guy that is responsible for this situation is an absolute weasel. He has taken people's money and in some cases, delivered nothing - just a pure con-artist.



I know Mustafa and family (one of the affected purchasers) and you couldn't meet a nicer, more trusting person. His family have lost everything to this w----r and (quite rightly) he feels terrible.



There is a lot of dribble on this forum but in this instance, there is a chance for the forum to prove its worth:



Please show support to the affected families by attending the auction and attempting to persuade anyone who is thinking of bidding, from doing so.



Pure numbers may be enough to achieve the desired outcome.



Can someone please post directions to the location of the auction.



Paul

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:36

This is criminal

If you sell something that you don't own it fraud

So why are the police not arresting him



Ask the auctioneers if there is a reserve price at which the properties will not be sold

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:40

My advice is to turn up at the auction with a few AK's and fire off a few rounds into the air causing confusion and postponement of 'Sales Day'! That should cause a couple of heads to turn and hopefully an international incident! All a bunch of crooks and better off dealing with the likes of the 'Krays'!



Richard

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:46

Scandelous, Wish I was in NC , as I would certainly attend and abuse anyone who bids apart from residents.

Hope there are some decent people there who support the victims and influence outcome. Good luck.

P

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:49

LostGeezer, at least he's only stolen their homes, it could have been worse, he could have m------d his wife and children as well

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 16:52

Very sad



I like the way mustafa says he will start a fight if some one bids...I am sure he will....



why cant the empty houses and land be auctioned off and not peoples homes, that they have paid for..



I await to see what happens tomorrow.....

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 17:00

Simply an horrendous situation for anyone to find themselves in , lets hope that as many people as possible can turn up and support these poor people . I'm sorry i'm in the UK

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 17:54

I'll be there, will you be there?



Add your name...



Washerman (Paul)

mixie


Joined: 16/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 18:05

Lostgeezer,



My mother had a saying....If you can't say something nice....don't say anything at all!



Did your mother not teach you something similar?



You have gone on ad nauseam about people losing their land...I trust that you have no real empathy for humankind...just empathy for your own kind and we will leave the reader to work out exactly what that is.



Mixie

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 18:28

lostgeezer

You make my blood boil, you are a disgrace with your post is totally in-appropriate. I would love 5 minutes in a ring with someone like you.

Good luck i hope the auction fails and they lock the thieving robbing scumbag developer up can't see it can you????????

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 18:45

Anyway, is anyone getting 'tooled' up yet or is it just hot air? Action is needed, take note of 1974 and look what that achieved! No room for procrastination, a few broken bones will do the trick!



Richard

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 18:53

Watch it, he's a Blackpool fan, lostgeezer, you're not from Preston by any chance?

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 19:04

washerman

How dare you utter that dreadfull word on here "Preston" ive come over all funny..............

kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 562

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 19:11

Please see details: http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/Press/CT110709_sunvillas.html

http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/Sunvillas_akil.html

The cafe is next to the Bellapais Monsastry. Please, please attend and support these families facing eviction. There are hundreds of people who could be in the same situation in the future due to mortgages taken out on sold land/properties. A show of support and strength is needed.



The owners have the moral high ground here. They've paid in full for their properties and taken possession. I hope the government will intervene and take action!



Sibel

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 19:11

How on earth has this thread got onto soccer? I suppose you supporters of this 'game?' are used to being knifed up when going to watch a live game so you might have your uses at the auction!



Richard

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 19:22

Oh how awful I hope many people turn up. What a situation. Im not in cyprus so havent seen full story yet. What a nightmare for these poor people.xx

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 19:25

Never mind, it'll wash out

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 19:31

If the Auction goes ahead, then Hasan the landowners villa should be the first to be sold.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 19:43

What a terrible situation these people find themselves in and through no fault of their own. Yet this situation is by no means an isolated case. For several years those of us that have regularly followed and taken an interest in the problems associated with buying in the TRNC know full well that it is fraught with problems and that purchasers have little to no protection when things go wrong.



There are dozens of people that post regularly on this forum that have paid all monies in full and are still not the legal owners of their properties due to not having been granted PTP or not having received their title deeds. Many more have developers who have taken mortgages on their properties. Even more have been waiting for many years for their property to be completed.



cont

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 20:00

Yet when newcomers to the forum announce their plans to purchase, a picture of paradise is often painted and anyone who raises any negativity is immediately shot down. It no longer matters if you have a good builder or advocate anymore, it is the system that lets you down. There is simply not enough legal protection or government willpower to promote a system that safeguards buyers against corruption and property scams.



This situation will continue, until people stop purchasing and the message is given that people will not tolerate a system that actively encourages corruption and takes no action against the perpetrators. The tables needs turning and people need to realise it is no longer sensible to invest in the TRNC when so much could be lost.



When people no longer invest in the housing market the government will then have to remedy the situation to encourage investors. Sadly they do not have appeared to reach this stage yet.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 20:06

sorry for poor grammar. I meant to say, to have reached this stage yet.

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 20:17

Bradus

Excellent post

I posted similar awhile ago, the government would soon get the problems sorted if any potential buyers avoided TRNC like the plague, but sadly there will always be another fool ready to part with their hard earned money.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 20:57

My God.



I have only just read this, my heart goes out to those involved.



I wish I was out there, but sadly not.



It's obviously too late to take any legal action to stop the auction.



The only recourse may be concerted disruption of the auction with as much independant press coverage as possible.



My suggestion would be that when the auctioneer offers lot XX at an opening offer of XXXtl, someone stands up and offers 1tl.

Then someone stand up and offer £2.50, someone else 3 Euros, then 2tl, then £1.25 etc, etc.



If this is done fast enough, the auctioneer will be unable to accept 'real' offers for the lot and may even request police presence to remove disruptive bidders.



I know this sounds a bit silly, but I have personally known this approach disrupt dubious auctions in the UK.



Press presence is critical. With enough cameras & videos running, most such auctions will be stopped.



Please, please, anyone who is capable of disrupting the auction, do it!



Rob

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 21:06

ROBnJO



Good idea but you can't beat an AK going off, trust me!



Richard

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 21:24

Unless someone can pick me up at Ezic Girne I can't make it but I'm a damn good heckler, the first question to be asked "Where is your Auctioneers Licence and if not produced I'll conduct a spoof Auction myself as per Msg 32 and create mayhem. Watch me! Tel:- 0533 848 1278. I assume It's tomorrow.



Richard

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 21:37

I've just read this thread through. What a despicable state of affairs. This auction needs to be stopped somehow. I really feel for these unfortunate people. Sadly more bad press for the TRNC

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 21:42

No 1 Doyen



Any Semtex in your garage, we'll plant it tonight, okay?



Richard

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 22:00

Richard, you are the right man for the job, without doubt.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 22:00

vicki



There will always be people with money looking for a bargain.



Disruption of the auction with press coverage is possibly now the only hope.



It could be an idea for any heckler to offer '2 Million Lire' for any lot,.. then to say they were offering 2 Million 'Old' Lire, just to cause confusion.



Grief, I wish I was out there!



Rob

stingrayno1


Joined: 03/02/2009
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 22:05

lost geezer your a tw*t...people are losing everything here and are totally innocent.i will be there tomorrow protesting big time.i hope to see you all there in force.

i went to the protest march for the orams ,sadly there were very few brits there.less talk more action!!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 22:09

Fine, It'll take me back to my 'stage' days, but I do need a lift and my two orthopedic crutches will be accompanying me so no bastard bully bouncer will touch me, backed up with mace. I'm up for this one!



Richard

Rick1956



Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 22:28

I do believe there will be a great deal of support for the Sun Villa owners tomorrow.



I certainly will be at the car park in Bellapais at 9.30 waiting for all you purchasers and friends that could also be in this same position in the near future.

WildOlive


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 22:55

On behalf of all of the 10 Sun Villas family potentially facing eviction tomorrow I want to say a bit thank you for the support this forum and the HBPG has shown us today.



The auction is at the Beylerbeyi Cafe (next to the Bellapais monastery) at 10.00am please turn up and prevent this auction from happening.



Full details: http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/Press/CT110709_sunvillas.html



Neil



P.S A friend reminded me of this poem today and the potential consequences of political apethy.....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came... .

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 23:08

I still need a lift!



Richard

WildOlive


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
11/07/2009 23:40

Sorry Richard I'd love to be in the TRNC tomorrow to give you a lift but I'm the UK.



We all thought that the Property Information Office, TRNC government, TRNC London Representatives Office, Girne District Court etc would stop the auction or only allow the auction to sell the unsold villas/plots which should be sufficient to pay the £450,000 not the sold ones as well!!



How wrong we were....



Neil

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 00:04

Hi Mindy

you stated: If the Auction goes ahead, then Hasan the landowners villa should be the first to be sold.

Who is HASAN. What is his other name.

If people used names on this forum the we would know who we are dealing with.

Katy

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 00:12

Good on you Richard and BobnJo

Go to it.

I like the idea of disrupting the auction so it cannot operate effectively - Plenty of press - Give them a good briefing so that they come in their Droves - emails Sky news - get some publicity in England.

If I had been in Cyprus I would have come too. I would have been in Cyprus if my builder Cafer Yugelgazi had not declared that he has gone broke.

GET PUBLICITY - GET SKY NEWS - CONTACT MPs - CONTACT BBC, CONTACT ITN, CONTACT The Mail on Sunday - the put the Oram's case in the paper and outlined the problems.

Good luck to you all - I will be thinking of you and praying for you.

Katy

boglefan



Joined: 07/06/2009
Posts: 511

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 00:13

In Scotland but my thoughts will be in NC and these poor people who have done nothing to deserve what is happening. Please everyone who has given their support today go and cause maximum disruption but please no one get hurt in the process.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 00:16

best way in my opinion is for everyone to boycott the auction or stop people from entering.!!!! just a thought

MotoMoto


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 00:22

Hi Richard



I am more than happy to pick you up if you want, could you make it for 09:00 as I am coming from Alsancak. My number is 0533 879 6892.



Laurence

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 01:06

MotoMoto



Laurence, cheers, It's too late now to ring however, the alarm clock is set for 8 and will call then. This is such short notice but no matter, I need to be back in town by 12.30 for a previous engagement that of course if I'm not banged up by plod!



Richard

trishyj


Joined: 07/08/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 01:16

Good luck to all of you trying to disrupt this terrible state of affairs for these people. My thoughts go out to them. I hope to read tomorrow that the auction has been scuppered. If nothing else all our thoughts are with you.

hybrid


Joined: 07/07/2009
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 03:41

Re- Message 40 -



There is many postings saying, I wish i was there but im in England, Scotland, Etc.



More people posting they cant be there than people saying they will be there.



"Less talk more action"

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 04:16

Pure greed.



Society is tortured by this type of carry on.



Fraud, deserves the criminal utmost rebuke.

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 08:20

Hi Katymackem

I assumed you had read the links to this story from papers

Hasan Tocan Mesutoglu is the land owner and he lives in one of the Sun Villas on the site in Catalkoy, some of the residents claim he has assets elsewhere and has placed properties in his wife and daughters names so as to be safe from being sold to raise the 450.000 pounds he owed the builder.

stingrayno1


Joined: 03/02/2009
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 08:21

lock these fraudsters up !!



see you there

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 08:40

Is anyone certain the press/newpapers will be at Bellapais this morning, it would be a big boost if they were.Has anyone contacted them.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 09:00

I can't believe so few people on this site have said they are going to this today, is it a case of "I'm all right Jack"! I do hope not.

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 10:51

Now postponed to 12.00 noon

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 11:01

Well , that means Brinsley won't be able to go , do you think the organisers read this forum ? I do hope that something can be done to help these people .

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 11:43

This is a terrible disgrace,and its about time that someone sued the TRNC Gov..the Builders,and the Auctioners.how can they auction anything that is not belonging to the said sellers in the first instance..Sue the buggers for not doing their job...its like someone taking your car,or furniture and giving it to them to sell....(not quite but get the gist,)

In England or the USA this would happen..someone please get to the court office and lodge something ASP..

i know i sure as hell would have been stright down to the courtrooms if this were to happen to me..

and the Lawyers here should start doing the no,win no fee,thing over here,because they would all be making a mint,if they were good at what they did..they should always come away with a win....for god sake this all makes me so upset....someone get a move on with this and put a stop to this sort of thing keep happening.



Spider,X

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 11:51

Spider,



You have missed the point. These families have already exhausted the legal system and it is the court that has finally agreed that the houses be sold to pay the debt. This is the legal redress authorised by the court in Girne.



This action will continue to happen with purchasers who are unable to get their deeds.Whilst ever the builder has the deeds he remains the true owner and it is this that puts your house ownership at risk.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:11

Thanks Bradus i now understand..this is terrible,





Spider,X

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:16

Wild olive, read letter from Munir Akil, regarding morgages etc, dated 2004. Wonder what date the charge was levied on the land, it may have been free of charges when letter was written. When did charge come to light , was it when they registered their Sales Contracts. Hopefully this new process has stopped this nightmare happening to those who have registered.

Hopefully the auction is posponed or disrupted today.

regards

p

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:32

Auction closed 12 noon - no bids!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:39

Mustafa and all the other affected parties and his supporters won out the day.



Maybe 120 people attended and 'the auction' and whilst a few 'bidders' were present, Mustafa did a brilliant job of canvassing them (asking them not to bid)



There were a few heated exchanges whils plain clothed police looked on.



Three announcements were made at 10am, 11am, and 12 noon - there were a few leeches hanging on at the perimeter but none of them came forward to place a bid.



The media were well represented and it was quite funny to watch one table of potential bidders 'scarper' when the TV cameras turned up.



Well done to all that turned up and showed support, but next time there needs to be more.



Apparently, the auction will be held again in 3 months time, but watch this space. Who knows what might happen or, what the next twist or, turn might be.



Washerman

Pugsey


Joined: 22/03/2008
Posts: 173

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:46

It's heartwarming to know that there are still people willing to go out on a limb and support others. While this is obviously still in the balance it is an excellent result for today and a welcome if somewhat temporary releif for those involved.



having had a terrible experience last year my thoughts are with them and will keep watching tis space.





Godd luck to those involved



pugsey

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:48

Great news for the time being, well done to everybody who attended.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:50

Washerman.....well done for highlighting and reporting this scandal.



My only worry is that as with many auctions,any "interested parties" can just approach the auctioneers and do a deal outside of the auction....without the furore and negative publicity generated today.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:50

Well done to all that attended and thanks to Laurence for the lift. I did make a bid of £20 cash but it was not accepted. Damn, must try harder next time!



Richard

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:53

Which round did Lostgeezer go down in !

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 12:59

Maybe Lostgeezer was one of the potential bidders and he was just trying to talk down the price!



More seriously, I don't think that private bids can be made.



What I was amazed by is that, on this development, it seems that there are enough unsold, empty houses to cover the cost of the outstanding debt. Why on earth these were just not auctioned separately is beyond me, but hey, this is North Cyprus.



Washerman

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 13:05

Msg 12 LG....you are one very sick,assh***.What happened previously was obviously tragic for ALL concerned.....that as effectively war....this is a CON ! I feel very sorry for ll concerned.Nobody else should be able to bid and bids of anything over 1TL should not be forthcoming.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 13:15

Good news.



Can we have more details about the builder so no one buys the land or empty homes, owned by his wife and daughter. Also the names of the advocates involved. I am not big on naming and shaming but in this particular incident we should be SHOUTING LOUD AND CLEAR,



"HERE IS ONE TO AVOID"

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 13:18

Msg 12 LG....you are one very sick,assh***.What happened previously was obviously tragic for ALL concerned.....that as effectively war....this is a CON ! I feel very sorry for ll concerned.Nobody else should be able to bid and bids of anything over 1TL should not be forthcoming.

myservices


Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 14:48

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

to all those who came to the auction this morning. God bless you all. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



We were a crowd of 100 or more I guess which put any bidders off bidding as we were ready to protect ourselves. This went on for 2 hours but no one had the courage to put their hand up.



ROUND 1 WON!



THANK YOU AGAIN

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 15:06

Sadly we will see more of this on other sites in the coming months , the writing is on the wall !!!!!

WildOlive


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 15:21

Just to reiterate message 79



THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU to EVERYONE who attended!



Also a MASSIVE THANK YOU to the HBPG who have been supporting us for years, without whom todays success would not have been possible.



Round 2 begins...



http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/sunvillas_thanks.html

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 15:31

I was surprised that uniformed plod didn't arrive and break it up under the excuse of being a 'demonstration' which is illegal for foreigners to do however, plenty of secret police about taking notes and photos. We'll get the 'Black Spot'! So much for THIS treasure Island!



Richard

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 16:06

Brinsley,

this old 'chestnut' keeps getting trotted out...

Our learned friend ELKO said here: - http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/16535.asp "Demonstrations by foreigners are not unlawful, they are simply subject to prior permission. So if prior permission is granted it is not unlawful.

ismet"

So it might be as well to give notice, and obtain the required permission in advance next time.

Once people realise that what they are doing is LEGAL, and they cannot be penalised for it, even more might be inclined to attend.

Keith.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 16:24

Clarets

For once i agree totally with your post, this lostgeezer is a nause with a big mouth and talks s*it. His post was out of order. Made up for those people fighting for justice they have won the first round now they need to prepare to give the knockout blow.................

stingrayno1


Joined: 03/02/2009
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 16:54

Am not sure who has seen the letter dated 18th October 2004 from Munhir Akil to one of the victims:

I quote accurately and specifically from the original letter sent:

' Villa ........ with swimming pool. Situated in Kyrenia, Beylerbeyi Village, Balaban [Akil then gives specific details of sheet plan] subject to contract of sale dated 16/7/2004 with the owner Tacan Hasan Mesutoglu.



I hereby confirm that from the searches carried out in respect of the abovementioned property there are no encumbrances, registered charges, mortgages, Injuctions, interim orders, or any other charges or impedements over the abovementioned property'



So, here is the question, as I am sure many of your are aware of, but it is very important we are ALL aware of

HOW CAN THIS STATEMENT BE TRUE WHEN THERE WAS AN ON GOING COURT CASE SINCE 1993 - COURT CASE NUMER 1010/1993?

harryroberts


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 117

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:23

Message 10 of 86



(This is criminal



If you sell something that you don't own it fraud )



great comment this can be applied to most of the TRNC





(Sadly we will see more of this on other sites in the coming months , the writing is on the wall !!!!! )



tip of the iceberg if you do not get greeks from the south taking action you will have the banks in the north taking back property.

KatyMcM


Joined: 12/07/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:26

CONGRATULATIONS - Round One - Successful



Comments have been made that some of us are in the UK - Well that does not stop us doing something.



I have sent articles on the protests to the Mail on Sunday, Daily Mail and The Sun.

Come on - follow this up. Bombard them with stories, incidents, facts get as much publicity as you can in the UK - This will stop other fools falling into the trap we have just landed ourselves in in TRNC with builders, advocates etc.



NAME AND SHAME AND TELL ALL -

The expenses row has calmed down - give the papers something to write about

KatyMcM


Joined: 12/07/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:26

Hi

I may be in the UK but I can still do something - I have copied your information on the protests to the Daily Mail, Sunday Mail and the Sun.



Come on everyone - bombard them with this story till they put it in the paper.

Just do a search and then find 'contact us' There are lots of other newspapers around so get moving!



Also the TC's could contact newspapers in mainland Turkey and get publicity there.

KatyMcM


Joined: 12/07/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:27

Hi Hybrid - Message 53

If my ******** builder would finish my villa I would be there. It is only 3 years overdue???????

KatyMcM


Joined: 12/07/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:30

CONGRATULATIONS - Round one - objective successful!!!!!!!

Someone commented on many of us not being in TRNC, but the Uk. Well that does not stop any of us from taking action (I just could not attend)

I have this morning copied articles from the web and sent them to the Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday (they printed the Oram's case) and The Sun (they print anything)

Now there are lots more newpapers, so come on bombard them with stories like this one.

NAME AND SHAME - Builders, Advocates and anyone else who commits 'Fraud' or cons people out of their money and homes.

harryroberts


Joined: 05/05/2009
Posts: 117

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:34

NAME AND SHAME - Builders, Advocates and anyone else who commits 'Fraud' or cons people out of their money and homes.



might be easier to name the ones who havent

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:47

Okay; Gurkan & Gurkan and Mehmet Bilimer, two Girne based rogue Law firms. The first didn't do all what he promised to do after been paid, the latter took my money and did absolutely nothing and lied! Both to be avoided at all costs or use at your own risk! Let them sue me for libel!



Richard

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 17:58

Without trawling through links and past postings, can anyone tell which bank is involved?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 18:04

AJ



I think it was Universal, or certainly heard them mentioned this morning.



Richard

KatyMcM


Joined: 12/07/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 18:40

Can we have the name and shame list put on the Home Buyers Pressure Group please.

Each property which is named has:

- A landowner

- A Developer/Constructor

- An Advocate

Each one should be name on any complaints and put on the NAME AND SHAME LIST.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 19:33

I would like to add some more to above after spending the morning at Bellapais.



Washerman has it right about plain clothes and no doubt all our mug shots will be displayed for when we next apply for residency.



One thing the the boss and I found was the emotion from our TC friends at the support that turned out. They probably feel just as alone as the rest of us do as we fight our own cases.



Of the potential buyers at least a couple got into a GC registered Lexus as they left, interesting or what????



Given that that most of us only found out about this yesterday am the turnout was quite good. That said the number who read CT every saturday means there were several thousand potential others who could have done what we did which was to contact HBPG and got the facts.



Having chatted with a couple of the TC owners who had spoken to the Government Minister who turned out they feel they have a little more hope that the court judgement may be dealt with accordingly.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 19:35

Finally, this type of auction, like the ones to dispose of impounded cars are not openly advertised normally so it is almost impossible to mobilise "troops" to attend.



After the march last month and now this may be a few more of you will turn out at the next event to so full solidarity.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
12/07/2009 19:57

3 months notice given before the next auction. Plenty of time to mobilize. AK's, Semtex, Grenades and a Tank or two with air fire cover from a helicopter should show the corrupted administration business is meant. With all the retired ex services personnel now living here, there must be plenty of expertise to make this a reality!



Richard

gardenmaker


Joined: 01/09/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
13/07/2009 13:14

there was plain clothes police there about 6 and one of them filmed us all with a camera for future ref no doubt they wont stop me goin without a fight well done everyone who came next time 200 people would be even better

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 00:52

Sorry to say it's gone belly up in Northern Island today, as things were settling down so well! I certainly cannot condone the actions of, which I'm sure, were just a few. However, something one way or another has to be done here and it has to be pro-active. Making no comparisons but when suppressed and under pressure like a cooker something has to give.



Richard

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
14/07/2009 01:10

Brinsley

Talking about AK's semtex, grenades etc. may be amusing to you but have you considered the possble ramifications? This sort of talk will fall straight into the hands of the authorities who may wish to use it as evidence of possible acts of violence, terrorism even. It would give them the perfect excuse to break up any form of gathering (including at an auction). It could even lead to deportations. Far fetched? I don't think so. Not so amusing now is it?

WildOlive


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 23:12

I believe that Cyprus Today yesterday had a front page article saying that the TRNC goverment is 'stepping in' to help the Sun Villas' purchasers in Catalkoy and only the unsold villas/plots will be auctioned, following the unsuccessful auction on the 12th July.



I am a purchaser on this development and I would be very grateful if someone would be kind enough to scan the article and and either put a link to the article on this thread or send it to enquiries@wildolivevilla.com.



Hopefully fantastic news for us personally and possibly a clear signal of hope/action from the new TRNC goverment for other purchasers with problems.



Thank you to everyone who attended the last auction and particularly to the HBPG who have been supporting us for years.



Neil



http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/Press/sunvillas.html

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
24/09/2009 23:20

Wildolive this is really good news for all concerned . Good luck !!

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 00:20

You are quite correct Bradus

I am at a complete loss as to how this can happen in a place which has a legal system and laws which are supposed to protect all peoples not just stupid thieving advocates and Builders.



What the hell is UK doing sod all !!! it seems their citizans if they choose to live outside the UK take their lives and monies into risk with no hope of help

I am at home in Uk at the monent but will prey that all is resolved

WildOlive


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 13:45

Anyone willing to scan and send the article?



As a purchaser on the Sun Villas development I would be very grateful if someone would be kind enough to scan the article below and either put a link to the article on this thread or send it to enquiries@wildolivevilla.com.



Cyprus Today (Mid-week Ed) had a front page article saying that the TRNC government is 'stepping in' to help the Sun Villas' purchasers in Catalkoy and only the unsold villas/plots will be auctioned, following the unsuccessful auction on the 12th July.



I can then share it with the other Sun Villas purchasers (10 in total) based in the UK, who have been ‘worried sick’ for a long time.



Thanks



Neil



http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/documents/Press/sunvillas.html

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 14:23

if some kind person would furnish myself with as much detail as possible I will take it with me to the homes or away show at the nec I shall also copy and send it to all UK papers who advertise property abroad ect not so much the red tops but the board sheets and the only red tops the daily maul and the express

if you would like this action highlighted here at home I am willing to help

my email is fast4gas@yahoo.co.uk

I dont want hear say but pure irrefutable facts ie names of advocated who were sup[posed to have been acting

what they should have turned up with a proper search

when the land was remortgaged

when the properties were sold and when they were fully paid for

and about the TRNC court case and subsequent Auction

I feel its fine for a few of us to write to the uk papers but if we can present lots of them with pure facts as well it might prompt them to look a bit futher