Mac - Big Steve, and my theory

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 11:53

This is my theory, might be totally off track, and this will probably be deleted, if it is i'll post on that 'new board'

Mac posted many many posts all intended to get many reponses.

Removing the Mac was a drawn out afair, during which time I am guessing around 300 posts were probably generated?

This also resulted in many posts to ask to moderate.

A few day later, Big Steve turns up with questionalbe posts - skiing to the beach, transfering funds (GBP and exchange rate) and commenting within a few mins that not being helped.

Then, Turbo, a long term member posts a welcome to Big Steve, and for some reason Mac is able to post under his old banned name, which should have access denied - this is the suspicious bit.

So, as this board is commercial, probably earns revenue 'per post' or 'per post opened', are we all being taken for fools here in being used to generate income for the owners.

As I say, theory and maybe wrong, but I for one an suspicious enough to consider walking.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 11:56

Brian, to add to your theory, why is Mac's e-mail address given as info@cyprus44.com? Is'nt that the e-mail address for this forum?

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:02

I've just received an email supposed to be from a forum member who was selling a landrover (palacerclass) but the email has come from izzet@hush.com and has an attachment (which I haven't opened) called 'shutdown.exe' Now I may be getting paranoid but there's no way I'd open this attachment.

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:10

M&B,

Any descent hacker can easily send you an email that has the virus programme embedded into the text of the mail itself, so if you use outlook for example it can then already be on the machine by the auto download function.

This is why I (like you) use a [disposable] yahoo mail for my BB stuff, being in the public domain so I can filter out things first. Anyone simple enough to call a file 'shutdown.exe' is of little or no threat, and it's probably one of these readily available fun email, you can get another one that once you open the attachment, it keeps opening and closing the CD draw until you re-boot, quite amusing if someone has a cup of tea ther! lol!

edmund


Joined: 05/02/2008
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:15

I will repost below a message I wrote on 21st November and which was subsequently removed by the administration of this board.



I am glad that some of you are catching up!



BTW email addresses are easy to change after you have joined. You can change them to anything (or anybody) you like.

Just another indication of the poor security on this board.



Edmund

edmund


Joined: 05/02/2008
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:17

Copy of post from 21st November.



Judging by the number of people showing online (plus Guests), at any one time, I would say that although members may be saying that they are leaving, and they may not be posting, but in reality they are still logging on in droves to see what is happening to 'their' forum.







Whilst this continues, the advertisers, sponsors and financial beneficiaries of this forum really couldn't care less what is posted and how many members feel aggrieved.







Members may believe it is 'their' forum and that it owes longstanding contributors some loyalty, but the fact is that it exists on this website for one reason only - to encourage 'hits' to Izzet Zorlu's commercial travel and tourism website.



It is a measure of his ‘philanthropy’ and ‘respect’ for you all, that he allows the forum to degenerate to the level it has reached whilst all the time benefiting financially from the increased traffic on the forum.



Edmund

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:20

Another interesting theory!

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:22

My theory is that he made a mistake and didn't post as Big Steve but as his previous identity. Easily done if you are posting under different names on different boards.



Lem

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:25

Good point Lem. What do you think about my point in message 2 ?

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:27

No1 I can't see he has the @cyprus44.com email, all IU can see is email hidden, post the link please mate.



Lem, admin can remove a log on and disable a name 'if they want to' it's in the admin tools menu.

brian24001


Joined: 23/03/2008
Posts: 606

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:29

Ed - Didn't see the post at the time, but had suspicions like yourself for some time, and agree with what you thought, but was expecting more in the way of an explaination, which hasn't come.



Just updated my email contact also.

edmund


Joined: 05/02/2008
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:30

As I said, it is easy to change one's email address to show something like edmund@cyprus44.com and then all abusive mail sent to me will end up on someone elses PC.



Although the offensive posts were removed, the member who shall not be named was never banned, barred, disconnected or whatever, and so it was just a matter of time before they posted again.



Edmund

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:36

Here it is Lem.



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/7601.asp



Open up message 9 and it's given there.

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:39

If anyone does get to the bottom of all this do they win the Golden Hare?



Skopgs

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:39

Where'd the p come from?????

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 12:49

bigsteve is online on this board if he wasnt guilty wouldnt he be posting asking us what this is all about. he seems to be keeping quiet on this subject

edmund


Joined: 05/02/2008
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 13:09

"If anyone does get to the bottom of all this do they win the Golden Hare?

Skopgs"



LOL ;-)



I have no real feelings one way or another if this board slowly self-destructs; what I do object to is the way that well-meaning members are being deceived and manipulated.



Edmund

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 13:12

I know just what you mean Edmund - why have people got such short memories? Couple of days ago this person was making terrible threats to another board member (Grouch) now it seems he 'just got off on the wrong foot' ??? and we are supposed to forgive & forget - well not me that's for sure!

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 13:22

I've been away all weekend and haven’t been on the forum, it seems its been a turbulent weekend.



Can anyone please explain why if Macoazy was banned he was able to post on two threads this morning?



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/7724.asp





http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/7654.asp

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 13:25

Exactly, and why was he showing an e-mail address as - info@cyprus44.com - that has now been deleted.



Please tell us what's going on!!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 13:36

No1 Doyen



Skullduggery?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 13:43

Hi Guys,



Very interesting theories from some of our more serious members.



What is clearly required is a statement from Izzet, if the board is under cyber attack he should be asking members to stand by him, whilst he tries to sort things out.



Whatever is going on is being done for a reason be it vindictive of financial gain. This is a

successful board and ripe for attack. The financial gain may not be the obvious, that by leaving the board largely unmoderated traffic would increase significantly in the short term. We know that over the last few weeks this seems to have been the case. Keeping on top of effective moderation must be a nightmare. But perhaps were should be looking further into the future. Who stands to gain if this forum goes under?



Interesting times and all theories welcome! Perhaps this thread should have been posted under Grouchos recent thread on "Favourite conspiracy theories".!!



wyn

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:00

The reason a member's email address is showing as "info@cyprus44.com" is because I did it once I change their password, so they cannot use the "forgot pass" feature to retrieve it.



It was an easier to block members from posting for certain number of days, instead of writing proper code to implement "ban for X days" feature.

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:05

Can't for the life of me understand why this person wasn't blocked permanently!

Or is it acceptable these days to threaten to beat someone up?

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:05

So he is only banned for a certain number of days Izzet?

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:10

Using the c word should be a life ban.

This word is only acceptable when you are on your own replanting large Cacti!



Skogsy

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:12

That is a cop out and shows absolute contempt for the regular posters on this board who were threatened and insulted in the most vile manner, appalling.

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:16

totally disgusted!

edmund


Joined: 05/02/2008
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:19

It shows a lack of respect for the membership.



Members are able to post threats, sexist comments and cruel jokes aimed at other members without impunity.



On the other hand, members posting criticism of the board administration or insulting ‘Turkishness’ will result in a ban.

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:22

well I'm off to Nigel's board, not hanging around here raising advertising revenue for moron supporters!

Bye all

Maggie

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:39

What is Nigels board called M&B?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:40

I do not understand peoples fixation with the way Izzet runs this board and I do do not understand the fixation with the problems that have happened since Izzet went on holiday. If Izzet makes money out of us posting on this board then good luck to him. The only reason we have had problems on this board is because people felt the need to feed the fire. If there had been no replies to the offending post's then it would have all died down quickly. I have always thought and still think that expats make life too complicated for themselves. Maybe it is something to do with watching too many soaps on television over the years and then finding you can't get your fix out here in the TRNC.

AJ

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:46

skogsy msg 26. That's really funny. I love your humour!

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:49

Thanks Maggie.



I was in York this weekend for a wedding, it was bloomin freezing!

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 14:59

Hi mac,



Didnt think I'd see you here again from what I've read over the weekend.



Spoke with my bro, he's in Han Bravo and said he thinks Cpl Cox is on the floor below him.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 15:21

Will do. The first thing he said to me was how much harder phase 2 is, I dont think he was expecting it.



Maybe I missed something as some posts seem to have removed over the weekend!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 15:25

Return of the Mac!

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 16:04

Once again



Run for the door..................................................................get out, lock it......................................................................TAXI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

livethedream


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 16:40

'I do not understand peoples fixation with the way Izzet runs this board and I do do not understand the fixation with the problems that have happened since Izzet went on holiday If Izzet makes money out of us posting on this board then good luck to him. The only reason we have had problems on this board is because people felt the need to feed the fire. If there had been no replies to the offending post's then it would have all died down quickly.' AJ



Totally agree AJ. Have been reading in disbelief the responses to 'Mac's' posts - he is obviously on a wind up and he got plenty of bites to feed on. The only way to go is to ignore posts which serve no purpose, whoever they are from. All the calls for moderators to intervene - moderate yourselves and dont get involved in someone else's little game.



ltd

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:02

i find the theory that i make money from the number of posting very funny.



how about another theory that the last vacation i took was from the money i earned from your postings.. :D



just to make things clear, there is no way i directly make money from your postings. as more people post, the website gets popular and the more popular it gets, more exposure it gets and therefore more people want to advertise. but the advertising is on the right side of content pages, and not on forum pages. the ads on the forum pages are my websites. when judging, please take into consideration that cyprus44 tooks more than 10,000 pounds to build up plus lots and lots of my personal hours. i did cyprus44 because i want to make the most up-to-date compehensive useful website about north cyprus, not because i want to make money. over the last 3 years, if you sum the total spent and total earned from advertising, i only made a few thousand profit and i think i deserve that.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:04

Well said Izzet

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:05

And live the dream.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:17

Izzet

The strange thing is that there are quite a few people that post on this BB that also want to make money, restaurants, airport transfers, villa management companies, people wanting to let their properties, etc etc. So just ignore the bleaters and for anyone that does not really understand the logistics of the world wide web then I suggest you all do a bit of research.

AJ

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:21

Oops, what's Mac gone and done now? I see all his posts have gone, even the tame ones above?

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:23

This forum is getting like the Twilight Zone!

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:23

He's disappeared like an old oak table!



Lem

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:24

Sorry, that's varnished.



I meant vanished.



Lem

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:26

Izzet. You are entitled to make whatever you can out of this. It's your business. I for one never thought you were running the forum for 'charity'.

I think the problem here was lack of communication. You will no doubt be aware of the situation here a few days ago which resulted in a lot of people being upset. The member's were looking to you for a statement which never appeared. No one is blaming you for what happened and of course you are entitled to some time off, thats all. It must be fifficult for you to run the forum - hopefully you'll get some good help soon.

You have a great forum and there are a lot of great guys who post here (women included in the 'guys'). Take care.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:33

I think the main problem is some people post intentionally inflamatory statements and others just bite every time.



Yes Mac was offensive and deserved to have his posts moderated but I think the point has been made before that if people respond they only fuel the fire and if you dont like something, let the moderators know and dont get involved.



Izzet I think you do a great job and like No1 says it must be hard to moderate everything.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:35

No1 Doyen,



I could not agree more!



wyn

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:35

Lem, Blackadder if I am not mistaken?

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:38

Yes, it was Queenie to Lord Percy, in Blackadder 2.



Well done.



Incidentally, they're filming a Christmas Special for the BBC this Christmas for the 1st time in years.



Lem

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:39

"I'm as poor as a church mouse, that's just had an enormous tax bill on the very day his wife ran off with another mouse, taking all the cheese."

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:39

Yes Lem I think I read that somewhere. When will it be set do you know?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:41

Whats for Xmas lunch?



Rat friicassayed in a puddle of mud?



wyn

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:41

I've had to bring in cider rationing!



Lem

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:42

"The path of my life is strewn with cowpats from the devil's own satanic herd."

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:44

Hi Wilts Girl



Don't know when its set but its called "Blackadder rides again".



Lem

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:45

LOL No1, got to be the top Blackadder quote?

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:45

Hi Wyn



What about Rat au Van?



Yes, Its a rat run over by a van.



Lem

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:45

How about this one - "We're in the stickiest situation since Sticky the Stick Insect got stuck on a sticky bun."

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:47

Lem how about 'Coq au vin' - OK we won't go there!

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:47

"A vow of silence, Lord Whiteadder, thats very interesting.......tell me about it".



Lem

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:54

"Am I jumping the gun, Baldrick, or are the words "I have a cunning plan" marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this conversation?"



Best series anyone? I was watching the other day and I think Blackadder the 3rd often gets overlooked but its almost my favourite (just loses out to 2nd but then I love a man in tights!)

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 17:56

"This place stinks like a pair of armoured trousers after the Hundred Years War. Baldrick, have you been eating dung again?"

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 18:52

Hang on, "I have an idea, and its as hot as your pants"



wyn

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 21:55

Wyn --- I hope there is nothing sexual infered in that posting, if there is i will have to report you to the powers that be.

glw215


Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 22:10

Hi Izzet, You have a great site, very infomative, thank you for providing it.

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 22:22

I have come to the conclusion that if nothing changes then it will be the same as it is........

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 22:27

Well if things don't alter, they'll stay as they are!

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 23:08

I feel like I've lost a friend! I'll never forget him.



I know his name started with an M...... or something.....like that?



Never mind, eh? Soon be Christmas.



Lem

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 23:19

you want me 2 bring you and my lady lunch you name it my lovely xxx

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 23:23

Lem, don't worry things could be worse, you could have lost your marbles

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 23:23

by he way thats to wyn and lady wyn xx no rats maybe devilled oysters or our fav black pud with scallops wyn what would we have had in cradley heath if we were lucky xxxxxxxxx

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 23:42

You're an old softie, Lilli.



Let me take off my shoes and run barefoot through your hair, gaze into your gravy eyes and call you sausage!



Lem

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 00:02

Lem, msg 53.



We miss very little from the UK but not seeing Young Edmund at Christmas will be sad!



C & I think that the end of the last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth (think that is title, going over the top in WW1) was probably the best TV moment of all time. I got to admit many tears were shed the night of the first showing.



The relevance to TRNC, who cares!!!!!!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 00:56

Lilli,



Scallops in Black pudding. Now you are talking!



What a feast for the working man. See you when we are next over.



Take care



wyn

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 05:40

Mmm scallops sound really good jsut on their own, why would one spoil the taste of wonderful scallops with that bloody offal, forget the black pud, (yeuck) can I get Guidos recipe for tiramisu please, I make the "second" best , the best being a side street bakery in Venice.

I know its a matter of taste and please no need to post half a dozen postings about how black pudding is a delicacy,, I am fully aware of the gastronomic upsurge of BP so no need to tell me again.

email is preferred for the recipe turboturk@aol.com. taht way we can keep it to ourselves.

thanks in advance.

turbo

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 07:18

My Welcome to Bigsteve was deleted, yet this thread survived..

"A BIG WELCOME" to BigSteve

U think he may be gone, but it ws a fun topic and thread to read.

I would like a reason why it was deleted.

I am not a mod, never wish to be or nver will be, I would not be able to baby sit without having to use the cane several times a day,

So can I please get an explanation why it has been deleted?



Was it boring, rude, name calling, threatening or breaking any rules????

Izzet are you now going to delete this whole thread too because I question you?



What the hell is going on for gods sake, one person disrupts a few posts and this thing goes on and on starting MANY offshoot threads all about the same person.

I bet he is had the last laugh, he is probably back here and having a bigger laugh seeing the damage he did and how people are so gullible and easily agitated, yet i am one not so easily agitated . Deleting my topic agitated me

B.S

I can see that we are headed in a downward

Hilltop



Joined: 28/04/2008
Posts: 636

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 07:30

Turbo



I suggested you may be a "Mod" because in your welcome to BigSteve you congratulated him for the number of postings he had made, and then mentioned "including the ones waiting to be approved" I did not know ordinary members had access to that info.



Apologies.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 07:38

I specifically emailed Izzet and asked him not to remove M's posting against me as they may well become evidence in the issue of arrest warrants both here and in the UK... Issuing threats of violence being against the law in both.



However I see that it has been seen fit to remove them...

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 08:12

If it had to be removed fine, but at least let the originator of the thread know and give a reason why he has access to my email..

I have no point of reference why or what it contained, i am racking my brains trying to think if it was something I said without realizing it, and of course not having something to look at I can only keep guessing.

What I meant about reading the posts before they get moderated, we as members can read our posts immediately, as for new members they have to wait until it has been checked for content then posted.

Thats what I meant, not because I have special privileges.

This is one board I would not like to be a moderator of.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 08:24

oh lem what a thought, xxxxx

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 08:26

hi turbo will email it to you take care x

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 08:40

Thanks Lilli.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 11:49

I agree with you Turbo, one or two of the threads removed were a bit benign and didnt seem to break any of the forum rules.



CIS home totally agree, I cry everytime I see that episode!

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:31

I knew from the start that Turbo was being sarcastic with Mack by welcoming him, I think some of the benign threads will have been taken off because they won't have made much sense once Mack's replies had been taken away, it would have looked like people were talking/fighting with themselves.

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
27/11/2008 00:31

Yay,,, full points for britvic ,you can claim your free drink at Sams Place, tell him turbo sent you, he will know what to do