Festival 11, The Plot thins ?????

layby_lil



Joined: 13/11/2009
Posts: 141

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 13:53

Just been reading in Cyprus today an article by Richard Currie and Hal Crompton claiming the stubs and unsold tickets were destroyed because of disappointing attendances. Gosh, silly me, I wish I’d thought of that when doing my income tax accounts “Sorry, Mr tax man, I had such a bad year I destroyed all my invoices and receipts.” I could have saved a fortune in taxes???,.. I don’t think! These two cronies were in charge of all the organising of events weren’t they ??? They now seem to be trying to shift the blame for the lack of sales onto others.

The other part of the same article refers to “extensive advertising in the programme which appeared less than two weeks before the event. Really on the ball ain’t they… and as for “other publicity” - what publicity?? I must have blinked and missed it !!!!..Still, when one works for the Cyprus Today (Nice job Hal),it is an easy thing to print any old tripe one wants to ?? Does anyone know where to get bucket of tar and some feathers ??

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 14:13

If the unsold ticket and stubs were destroyed were the police not contacted as it became fruad, how much money for tickets that had been sold actually got handed in?

sharpknife


Joined: 11/01/2012
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 15:37

Fank you Lil, just got a paper and read it.

Second verse, same as the first.

Squirm, squirm, squirm, squirm..

"Dont blame us, we just organised it, 'twas everybody else's fault, sir"

God it sounds like Dad's bloody Army.

E'res one for yer along yous theme.



My mate says they ran out of tickets on the night, let several hundred people through with like 5 to a ticket and took the money from them all. He says that he just might come forward and tell this if they pretend they took tuppence happeney in ticket sales. Have they started pretendend that wot they announced as a "full house" of 3,000 was actually 3, or less...sorry sir, we destroyed the ticket stubs sir.

Who was actually on the gate that night that knows wot went on?

Get the rope out, I smell a hanging in the offing.

Ocam

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 18:12

Layby Lil !!! Not seen the article, but do they say "WHO" destroyed the "stubs" and why bother as surely they should remain to justify the financial result ! I can just imagine the conversation (probably on a walkie talkie) "not many people here ! lets go and destroy the unsold tickets and stubbs" If the accusations are true, God help the poor sods who need to do this as I pitty them ! Alledegly of course. but if proven i will throw the first egg and many more regards Barry

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 18:48

No wonder most people don't believe what they read in the newspapers. Seems like an attempt of damage limitation to me and stinks to high heaven. Hope I'm wrong. Old saying...there can be no accountability without responsibility...

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 21:28

I just knew they would have some blooming great explanation for the whole mix up !



Problem YOK !



End of another saga, is it the same as the hal court case and the gifted 30 or 40k !



Could some one who know's hal crompton please ask him to post the outcome of the court case in the newspaper saying he was cleared and he did not rip off the old people for 30 or 40000 pound's,or have all those who drank and eat with him and his wife gone to ground also !

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 21:58

Just to let you know the Press Release of Hal and Richard would have gone into Cyprus Star (I think, anyway) but unfortunately it was received in the office on Friday morning, and of course our paper comes out that day. So, although the Press Release may well have been printed in full as that, and not as a letter, it cannot be done until Friday of the coming week. Of course by then the situation may have changed, but I am sure that The Star will be writing on the subject with an update. All of you are waiting for some real figures to be released and the statement "We are disappointed we were unable to raise as much money as originally antiicipated' does not seem to be satisfying those who want real numbers. This is being written as me, Marion, interested member of the community, as opposed to Marion , writer for Cyprus Star. Sadly the information given to date is not really helping tthe curious, but I am sure that soon real figures will be given.

tania


Joined: 09/12/2011
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 22:04

post7 - you think it would have ...................................................

Others say ..................................................................

truth.............................................................................

Truth

truth

TRUTH

Fantasy - more than likely

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 22:36

Who are YOU selpak, with you constant 'annoymous' accusations against named indivudals here, your rants about 'expats working illegaly' and your praise of a certain sat tv / internet agent / voltage regulator supplier ?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
29/01/2012 22:44

Sorry Tania, don't know quite what you are saying. The reason I said 'I think' is because I am not the Editor and I can (at this stage)only surmise what might happen). As to 'truth' - wlel that is just what we all want and it has not as yet been fully ana,lysed. So at the moment it is all hypothesis. Not necessarily 'fantasy' because the truth is not known. Or maybe I have missed something.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 00:44

The letter/press release in Cyprus Today did not address the issue. The issue is that 4 months down the line we don't know how much was raised by Festival 11. Accounts must by now be in place and any uncertainty about the matter is due to these not being made public.



The calculation is income ( must be very easy to work out ie how much money was taken by them ) less expenses and Hal and Richard outlined some of them in their published story so clearly they have accounts of what was spent.



So how much did they raise for the Cheshire Home ? The figure I heard is Cheshire Home got 7.000 tl out of 100,000 tl . Can anyone correct me on this ?

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 01:23

7000 for the charity,it is a great sum.



10000 for advertising.



10000 for the band.



5000 for lighting.



68000 for the services of the professional team who organised it !



If the above figures are correct in message 11

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 01:41

Are the OAPs

who gave the money

still able to tell their side of the story

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 07:52

What a shambles.

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 09:35

These are the people who tried to blacken my name when I refused to hand over around 8 K lira of funds I was holding for Ismail.



Ismail had been diagnosed with Cancer and I needed every penny that I could get to try and deal with it.

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 10:44

There must have been others involved in the organisation of "Festival 11" could they not have seen what alledgedly may be going on or might have happened ? My experience of the 2 C's (Currie and Crompton) is they couldnt arrange a "P*** up in a brewery" between them, so there must have been others involved ????? regards Barry

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 11:01

It is for Cheshire homes to publish the accounts for this event, festival 11. If Chesire homes believe that there was any improprietry then it is for Chesire homes to state this and provide their evidence for such.

Everything else is speculation to downright defamation and some of it shows the nastiest aspects of how some use / abuse these forums in my view.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 11:35

That is exactly the point. Why have Cheshire Home not published the amount raised by Festival 11 thereby ending 4 months of speculation and allegation.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 11:37

Erol, you are right, and it is all taking time. But I can fully understand the frustrations of people who fully thought that Cheshire Homes would be greatly assisted financially. One good thing is that it does not appear that Cheshire Home has actually LOST ANY MONEY, but they have certainly gained a few headaches. The figures as given in cyprus today , (which I also have on file) do NOT answer people's questions and Cheshire Home is VERY aware that people want answers. However, whilst it is true that there were others on the 'team' (as Richard and Hal describe them) they do not appear to have been kept informed and now they are left trying to help Cheshire Home sort out the figures. Don't forget that both Richard and Hal resigned from the Committee (sub of C.H) leaving the others to have to try and get information they previously did not have. Also as to speculation, it is a pity that Richard and Hal did not put in income figures when they spoke of expenses, as that creates greate

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 11:40

sorry.... greater speculation. Please trust that Cheshire Homes will tell all as soon as they know what the 'all' is. Yes it does mean more speculation and possibly accusations as the frustrations of those who wish to know have to continue to be further frustrated - but I have to understand those who feel it is NOT LOOKING GOOD.

Erol, I don't think people are necessarily bad - they are frustrated, angry, disappointed and lacking in patience for something they were expecting to know at least 3 months ago.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 11:46

Marion I can understand people being frustrated that it is taking Chesire homes so long to produce the figures for this event. However as well as some expressing frustration at this there are others who are doing something else quite different, which is to use the delay to launch personal attacks on named indivduals, dragging up 'old news' that is not to do with this event, its accounting or its assumed lack of sucsess fund raising wise and also just making insinuations and downright defmatory statements about indivduals, all from the saftey of their 'annoymous' ID's here. This is not about Chesire Homes and Festival 11 as far as I am concerned. It is about personal grudges and how some behave on forums like these. The Chesire Homes / Festival 11 issue is for them just an excuse to 'put the boot in' as far as I can see and it is cowardly and just downright nasty behaviour imo and unfortunately all too typical in regards to how a small majority abuse this forum for their own ends.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 12:06

my post 21 above should read 'small minority' not 'small majority' by the way. Just to be clear.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 12:23

understand exactly what you are saying Erol, and I agree with the anonymity thing, in so far as I think people should be out in the open. Severa,l people here use their own names but others are just a series of numbers with totally false ID's and therefore anything they say is hardly credible. But on the other hand I feel there are those who are bitter about past events. Can;t get their story into a paper, so use this forum to vent their anger.

Not an excuse, it is true, but it could be a reason. One of the problems is the inability to communicate and get answers. I have sent certain people at least 3 e mails asking for info in a perfectly nice and open way, and not even got an acknowledgement. so I can understand others' rage. But it is very unfortunate that this has taken so long with some other 'muck' in b etween which has not been publicly aired.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 12:42

Well said Marion. And if there is any confusion my name is Denise Phillips and I gave extensive publicity to Festival 11 so I do not think it is out of line to want to be able to give those same listeners , to whom I promoted the event, some information as to how much money was raised...after 4 months.



It puts everybody who had any sort of involvement with Festival 11 credibility as risk.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 12:50

Yes, Denise. I know who you are (Radio Angel, former Video Angel) and i am sure many others do, and I know exactly why you want answers - for the same reason as I - to let people know the outcome. And it seems it is the good guys whose names are being besmirched, and that is wrong.

there was so much that went wrong, that at the very least one could be said it was bad planning badly conducted hence the difficulty in finalising accounts, and at most ..................well, we have to wait and see.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 13:38

That is the way to do it,mismanagement,let us all just forget it and sweep it under the carpet, it is not the end of the world, it is only a drop in the ocean!

Oh my lord I had the shock of my life when I looked at the inside back page of the Cyprus star and saw who was there in a purple T Shirt!

Thank you George for helping me with this link.



Old Link removed .......... Simbas



spot the connection!

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 14:53

I do not think people should jump to the conclusion that there is a large amount of money missing.



You have to remember that it could just be down to total incompetence and trying to organise something that they did not have the expertise to do.



It's like this £35,000.00 if there was any confusion that you had got that amount of money from 2 O.A.Ps and it was only a loan then surely any decent person would have tried to make some effort to pay it back even

on a monthly basis.



How any one could live with their selves knowing that these 2 kind elderly people wanted their money back is beyond me.



I am not sure but the last I heard is that ex. Flight Lieutenant Kelly had since died ( I suppose the stress of this dreadful situation would not have helped) I would have thought his family or benefactors would have wanted some answers.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 15:01

Msg 26 pretty much underlines the point I was trying to make in msg 21 I think.

Who are YOU Selpak ?

Whatever the truth of the incident in your link or those surrounding festival 11, it is absolutely clear to me that your behaviour here is that of nothing more than a nasty devious coward persuing a vindicitive personal campaign against certain indivduals. You appreantly do not care who you harm with collateral damage in the pursuit of your campaing, be that Chesire Homes as a charity or indivduals that are not your target. All that seemingly matters to you is to exploit the situation in order to attack certain people publicaly here, whilst hiding your own identity, with unproven and outreagous allegations, like the organisers of festival 11 took 68,000 TL in personal fees or won raffle prizes themselves.

As far as I am concerned Selpak your behaviour here is disgusting and demonstrably so from your 59 posts to date.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 15:07

JohhnyLee please do not get sucked into the 'games' that some are playing here. Using the confusion around the accounts for festival 11 as an excuse to drag up a entirely seperate issue concerning one of the organisiers of festival 11 , in my humble opinion, does you no credit and in no way helps anyone execpt those annonymous gossipmongers and troublemakers that love to use this forum for their own ends.

It is for Cheshire homes to publish the accounts for this event, festival 11. If Chesire homes believe that there was any improprietry then it is for Chesire homes to state this and provide their evidence for such.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 15:15

I doubt Cheshire Homes will publish accounts for Festival 11. Nor are they required to so.



But what IS required is a simple statement of how much Festival 11 raised for the Home.



How much money have they been given, 4 months after the event ?



Simple question , simple answer.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 15:27

Msg 26 , edited , I do not know Hal Compton personally but i do remember that he won his case in a court of law . What happened to everybody is presumed innocent until proved guilty ? .

Simbas

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 15:36

Simbas your question assumes that people on here behave with normal and basic levels of honesty and integrity that would be expected in the real world. Unfortunately the sad reality is that for a small minority of posters here, it is exactly because they can behave here outside those norms with apparent impunity and anonimity, that they use the forum in the way that they do. To throw mud and accusations and insinuations at indivduals they have a grduge against, without any regard for normal decency or concepts like 'innocent until proven guilty' or any concern for who else may get unfairly splattered with the mud they so vociferously thow around in the pursuit of their vendettas.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 15:41

Yes simbas i also remember people saying hal crompton won the court case,but i believe it was his friend's and he never ever produced any proof.



Did you see the proof of him being cleared of wrong doing or winning the case?



A 79 year old ex RAF pilot and his wife i do not think would make a mistake regarding 35000 pound's when loaning it to some one.



Where did you see the outcome of the court case simbas?

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 15:56

Erolz, I do not know just how much inside knowledge you have of all of this, but I know that JohnnyLee knows maybe a little more than you on this, as do some others close to him, and this is why he says what he does. I agree fully with him on that even if you presented somebody with a sum of money and said, it was a gift, dont worry about paying it back, any man that has any self respect, would pay back the loan/gift whatever you want to call it and never allowed such a thing to go to court.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 15:58

selpak can you provide the proof that you are not behaving here as a nasty vindictive coward hiding behind 'anonimity' using the uncertainty around festival 11 to order persue a personal grudge against certain named indivduals. The evidence that it is the case is there in your 60 post history as far as I am conerned.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 16:04

MrsSnakes,



I agree, I believe JohnnyLee, His track record is without blemish and the amount of time and effort he has put into Ismail's cause, speaks for itself. At the very least, Cheshire Home, should not have engaged the 2 gentlemen mentioned given their reputation,true or false! Why leave yourself exposed to a potential scandal when, there are so many people around who have no cloud hanging over them ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 16:19

MrsSnakes I have absolutely no inside knowledge of either festival 11 or the 'other' incident that so many seem to want to rake up and connect to festival 11. What I do have is experience of how forums in general and this one in particular are abused by certain posters.

There is a real issue here of how much money was raised for Chesire Homes from festival 11 and until Chesire homes announce what that amount is there is little to be said or done other than to ask for them to do so. Then there is what I think is nasty vindictive personal attacks being made on indivduals by annoymous posters with a vendetta, who are just using the uncertainty surrounding festival 11 for their own ends. In doing so they not only distract from and confuse the real issue but also do 'collateral' damage to others in the process, like chesire homes itself. There is the valid issue of how much was raised by festival 11 and then there is the 'witch hunt' as far as I can see.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 16:26

Simbas,Msg 31,



In principal, I agree with your sentiments but then again, O.J.Simpson was found not guilty of murder but was he innocent ? People make their own judgments about others based on what they believe to be the truth, sometimes they are correct, sometimes not, but they usually use their common sense before coming to a conclusion.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 16:35

EamonMc it is one thing comming to a personal conclusion about an given persons guilt or innocence regrdless of what a court may or may not have said and another thing entirley to post publicaly on a forum anonymously speculation and unproven allegations, like selpak has in regards to the organisers won raffel prizes and took 10s of thousands of lira personaly in 'fees', in order to try and create impressions in others about these indivduals. Can you really not see the difference ? Do you really see no problem in the way posters like selpak are behaving here ?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 16:44

erolz,



I for one, believe what JohnnyLee says in msg 15. they tried to blacken his name but now they are the ones in the spotlight. It's not a comfortable place to be in, if you have something to hide. I do not agree with Selpak and the figures that she ? has plucked out of the air but, wonder why we have not heard a rebuttal from the 2 gentlemen concerned ? The delay in a comprehensive statement from Cheshire Home is unforgivable, in my opinion.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 16:55

EamonnMc that is exactly the problem as I see it as someone 'outside' all this and who does not know JohnnyLee at all. It is easy to see his linking of the 'other' issue to the subject of Festival 11 as being motivated primarily by 'revenge' for having being 'badly treated' in his view by said indivdual and not by a genuine concern that proper accuntability for festival 11 is shown by Chesire Homes. It is an understandabel reaction but again in my humble opinion not one that does him credit, as far as sch an impression is created.

On the issue of why do the gentlemen conerned not post here in their own defense, I can understand why they might be reluctant to go down that road even if they have absolutely nothig to hide. This simply is not a place where you can do that, given posters like selpak imho.

I fear that the whole thing is potentialy damaging many people and orgnisations, regradless of if they have actualy done anything wrong.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:01

Msg,41, they are not exactly quiet (accused)

they have written in a newspaper(msg1)



But agree Chesire homes really need to make a statement

sharpknife


Joined: 11/01/2012
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:13

I have a theory.

The bigger the 'ole, the longer it takes to mix the fudge to pour in it.

Is that letter trying to pre-empty the awaited "official" statement to reduce impact? Do they expect a whole load of nasty to drop on their heads from a great height in the near future and shot their bolt first?

Pathetic, Stand still boys so they can settle the sights on you, I think the "working Party" as you called t'Committee is looking for the truth, and you are not running fast enough to advoid the train wreck when it hits yous lol



Ocam

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:13

philbailey the person in question has been accused here by selpak of having won the two plane tickets raffel prize and of taking professional fees for orgnaising festival 11 in the sum of 68,000 TL both claims to the best of my knowledge are nothing short of defamatory lies with no substance to back them up. In addition he and others including yourself have repeatedly taken the 'opportunity' of the lack of clarity about how much money festival 11 has raised to dredge up an totaly different and seperate issue concering said indivdual that can only be motivated by a desire create a negative impression of them.

It is exactly this kind of nasty cowardly annoymous behaviour that imo damages the forum in general and that does nothing but confuse the real issue (festival 11 and now much was raised) and lead to collateral mud splatters onto Chesire homes itself and others.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:18

erolz,

there is a link between what JohnnyLee, the Kellys and the goings on at festival 11 are about,,,,,it is the 2 gentlemen mentioned. Johnnylee has made specific allegations, the Kellys made specific allegations and ....well, the truth will out, or will it ? Time will tell.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:22

The reason I raised the "old" topic

was to ask if it was the same individual

concerned with 2 problems regarding other peoples money

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:22

Who won the two raffle prize air tickets ?



That at least has been announced....after 4 months ,surely ? If not why not ? You dont need any complicated accounts sorting out for that do you ?

Aladdinsane


Joined: 08/09/2011
Posts: 5

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:24

FOUR months down the line from Festival 11 finishing and NO details of how much raised by the 'Teflon Twins'! How curious.



Even more so when you consider the much trumpeted return of the Bohemians in April without having accounted for what took place in September last. Beggars belief.



Does anyone know if they were script writers for the Fast Show, or something of that ilk? Laughed like a drain at that bit about the tickets in their 'pity us' letter in Cyprus Today (on a par with "the dog ate my homework"). If it wasn't such a tragedy for the poor saps at the Girne Rehabilitation Centre who thought there would be some funds raised for them, it would be hysterical.



Give Sharia law a try in this matter.

sharpknife


Joined: 11/01/2012
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:32

Overheard in the travel agents....



"2 plane tickets off the island quick please gov"

"Returns" ?

"No - Sorry, Can I swap them and a bucket of used ticket stubs for a one way to Panama ?

bill the Cheshire Home, they will pay to see me gone " lol



Ocam

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:41

And here they come, the low post count annoymous 'lynch mob' - sharpknife, Aladdinsane et al. I really do find your and some others behaviour here disgusting personaly, which no doubt is why you hide your identitites.

EamonnMc all we know is that it is taking a long time for Chesire homes to announce the figures for festival 11 and they have announced that the named orgnaisers of festival 11 are no longer fund raising on behalf of Chesire homes. This later annoucment could , at least as far as I can see, be nothing more than they were disapointed with the orgnaisation and nothing to do with any finacial improrietary by anyone.

It is for Chesire Homes to state what was raised from festival 11. It is for Chesire homes to state if it beleives the organisers have acted in dishonest or illegal ways. For others to state as fact that there was dishonesty or imply it , either directly or by linkage to a totaly seperate incident, before any such statment from Chesire homes is to me [cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:42

more easily seen as being motivated by personal grudges and vendettas than it is by a real desire to have the truth come out and be seen to come out.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:47

Msg50, I understand your logic

but what do YOU believe everything was above board

(pun intended)

As for the old incident

I answered that in post 46,



Would you let Ian Huntley babysit for you ?

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:49

Some people just do not get it do they, how on earth can you give people such an responsible role when you have an beautiful old couple saying in an newspaper that they have been the victim’s of an £35000 scam, rip off, mis- understanding, “asked for their money back”, did not get it back, call it what you like,i call it a rip off scam!



As other’s are saying, if they mis-understood the word LOAN and then was told a few week’s down the line that the money was not a gift then surely you would scratch your head and say, how stupid of me to think it was a gift!



No one is trying to hurt Cheshire home,Cheshire home is a good organisation and much better now that the two hanger’s on have been seen for what they both really where and booted to the kerbside!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:54

erolz,



There is linkage as I stated in msg 45 and the common thread is dishonesty and the 2 gentlemen mentioned. The allegations made, are not made by anonymous people but by people who are prepared to state them publicly and put their real names into the arena . Hardly the acts of cowards or rogues.

sharpknife


Joined: 11/01/2012
Posts: 30

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 17:55

Erolz, Brain Training time......rearrange these wirds for me mate..

Fire, Smoke, without, no.

Or if that is a bit too obtuce for yous

Bitten shy twice once

or if you went to Publick School like me...

Machiavelli est quasi architectonica paranoia respectu

spot the deliberate mistake?



Ocam

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:00

philbailey your whole protestation that you 'merely asked if it was the same person' is to me entirely disingenuous. You have not 'merely' asked the question once, which in any case you must have known the answer too when you first asked it, from other peoples posts. You have made the 'linkage' more than once and not just to ask is it the same person, but with lines like 'are the OAP's able to put their side of the story'.

I believe that there can be no real doubt that some who are posting on the threads about festival 11 have no real interest in the actual issue or that the actual truth comes out but are motivated by a desire to create mischeif (in your case is my belief) or to use the 'opportunity' to persue personal vendettas against certain named indivduals they have a grudge against, whilst themselves hiding behind anonimity.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:08

Ok msg56, After reading 56 posts

you seem to be the only one defending them

maybe you have an agenda



When people like J/Lee Snakes etc

who raise money for charity are asking for an answer

does it not make you think?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:09

Selpak, you say no one is trying to hurt chesire homes, yet you also say in the same post how could anyone have truested these people who according to your interpretation of events ripped off a beautiful old couple. The fact that this previous incident was persued in court or that it did not even involve one of the people you are naming and making defamatory accusations about here not withstanding, you are calling into question Chersire Home's judgment and thus damaging them, though I doubt that concerns you as much as getting the chance to annoymously put the boot in to the people you have defamed here on this forum.

Sharpknife, the idea that there is no smoke without fire is ridiculous. It would be triavly easy should I wish to, to create a series of annoymous forum names here and create any amount of smoke via them about YOU, all totaly untrue and then claim there is no smoke without fire.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:18

philbailey still using your usual old 'information warfare and back propaganda' techniques here I see.



For the record I am not defending anyone. I am pointing out and attacking the dispicable behaviour shown by some here on this forum. I am making the point that such behaviour is actualy potentialy damaging not just to those the culpable are tragetting but to any number of 'collatoral' people and entitites and that those doing so care not about this.



We all want an answer from Cheshire homes as to what was raised from festival 11. I would also welcome some clarity from them as to why they made the annoucement they did and if it was the result of them believing their was improproietary on the part of any given indivduals or not.



What these 'answers' that only Chesire Homes can give , and no doubt will give, have to do with incidents from serveral years ago, that were covered in the press and subject to now finished court cases and discussed extensively here [cont]

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:18

Some men like to single out ladies in forum's,reading back it seems it is not the first time that a lady has been singled out on this forum by a certain member,now im going to cut off the STALK,S on my cauliflower !!

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:20

Msg 58, the accusations of the old incident

were not created by anon posters on a forum

they were facts by



named people

actual amounts of cash

and went to court

A bit different from your analogy



Will you answer my question in 57?

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:22

at the time, complete then with the usual implcation insinuation and downright defamation, I do not know. I can see how such is in the interests of those with a grudge or vendetta or who like to cause mischief from the safety of their annoymous postings and how others who are not annoymous have got drwan into this , at their own cost imo. I do not see how such serve the interest of getting to the bottom of how much festival 11 raised and was their any improproietry by those orgnaising it or not.



and power has gone out here.



Yopu all enjopy your little games. I am done here.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:26

who said the court case was finished?



Who said it started,where is the proof?



who said there was a court case?



Where is the written outcome of that court case?



Is their any evidence of an court case?



Is there really any one in Cyprus who was in the court and who can say the outcome of the case with 100% honesty and can show some documentation to back up that man's suggestion's in message 59!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:31

erolz,



Let's cut through the waffle, as I said in post 54, there are specific allegations made that are NOT made by anonymous people,,,,hardly the acts of cowards or rogues. The fact that anyone can join a forum and use several aliases to made allegations, does not made invalid, the posts made by people who reveal their true identities ! As I said in msg 36, The Cheshire Home reputation is damaged by this whole episode, sadly so, and their delay in issuing a comprehensive statement is increasing the damage caused.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:33

Msg 62, maybe the non-anon posters

know the truth

if it was a witch-hunt by anon as you imply

(myself inc.)

why would geniune named members

who also do charity work join in?



I honestly hope you believe what you post

And at the end of this saga the charity get as much money as they should have .

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:38

Erolz,



I think the power has also gone out of your argument.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:41

Selpak msg 60



Thanks for so clearly showing how devious and annymous posters lıke yourself can both create the smoke and then having created the smoke themselves under another ID use that smoke they created to then try and dıscredıt someone on the basis there ıs no smoke without fıre. The allegation that I was stalkıng a female poster was mıchıveous nonsense back when ıt was fırst made complete wıth ıntentful dıstortıon of the truth then and remaıns so now ıt ıs repeated here by you selpak. Anyone who knows me knows ıt was rubbısh and I suspect most who do not know me also know the same.



Congratulations also to those who want to use the situatıon surrounding festıval 11 as a means to drag up an entırely seperate event from years before and start a whole round of rummor mongering about thatş as ıf there was not enough at the tıme of the ıncıdent on

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:47

I want it all, i want it all, i want it all, i want it now ! My favourite Queen song of the night. How erotic.

cyprusjoker


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Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:48

Sorry Ironic, and Erolz i thought you were done here !

philbailey


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Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:48

Msg 64, exactly what I was trying to say

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:50

EamonnMc I do not know what you think my argument ıs but to me ıt remaıns as clear as supported by evıdence as when I fırst posted ıt.

There are those here who are usıng the uncertaınty surroundıng festıval 11 to persue a vendetta agınst certaın ındvduals under the guıse of anonımıty or just to cause mıschıef regardless of what the truth around festıval 11 may be. That to me ıs patently clear. Then there are those who are beıng drawn ın to thıs who are not anoymous.

Just look at how thıs thread hs progressed. I poınt out that people are usıng ıt ın dıspıcable ways whıch ıs clearly the case and now I am under assult. I who do not hıde my ıdentıty am beıng accused of stalkıng by selpaK who does and hıdden agendas by phılbaıley who hıdes hıs real name. Thıs ıs how some

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:51

I think it is very clear some people drink far too much of the Cyprus loony juice and it shows.



Please go and pick on some one else,im old enough to be your grandmother!Leave me alone or I shall scream for help !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:56

use these forums and always have. Its clear who the troublemakers are eıther as new posters or the old ones wıth hıstory of troublemakıng. I would suggest that the non annoymous genuıne posters take care that they do not get sucked ınto the games beıng played by the troublemakers and end up potentıaly tarnıshed bu such assocıatıon but they can take that advıse of leave ıt as they lıke

cyprusjoker


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Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 18:57

As Kathrine Tate says. " what a load of ole shit " By the way was there all this malarcy with Festival 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 ?

cyprusjoker


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Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 19:03

Is there anyone listening to me or is it because im not arguing with anyone.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 19:07

This thread was running along very nicely up until message 9, then it went all wobbly!



You know who you are that caused the problem in this thread !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 19:29

Indeed it and the previous ones selpak where running very nicely, for YOU, with your agenda of annoymous attacks on certained named indivduals without any comment on your behaviour or attmpts to media or limit it. Oh how outreagous of me to have had the gall and the stupidity to put my head above the parapet to point out your behaviour here in this thread and others related to it. And the usual result from the usual people for tyring to standing up for accuracy, truth, honesty and decent behaviour here on this forum against those for whom such things are clearly alien. Atacks on me as an indivdual, my personal integrity. I have seen it all before. What never ceases to amaze me is that you really seem to think that you are actualy fooling people with these kinds of tactics rather than just clearly showing yourself to be the kind of poster you patently are.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 19:40

Msg77, I saw no personal attack on you

except you saying you would not post again (msg 62)

and posting again

but surely that is just humerous digs

not a personal attack

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 19:53

philbailey you simply see what it is convient for you to see. Your own post 'maybe you have an agenda' is clearly an attack not my my arguments but on my personal integrity as far as I am concerned. A common approach on forums like these from some. Ignoring your own post try looking at post 60 and 72. The whole 'you are a stalker' theme is an old one from the last time I tried to stand up for honesty and integrity against certain posters and their agenda and was nonsense then based on distortion and actual downright lies back then and remains nonsense now. As I say I genuinely find it amazing that selpak uses it now in this thread presumably thinking it has any impact except to shown even more clearly than before how linked they are under this ID to previous and notrious other ID's since abandoned. They really must think most people here are stupid imo, something I do not think.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:09

Not wanting to go off topic

but your accusations in msg79'

has no more credance than the ones you are trying to defend



Your speculation about Selpak is exactly

what you are arguing against "un- founded allegations"

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:17

You have an history and looking back over your history it seems you enjoy picking on ladies,1+1 make’s 2,bill and Ben the flower pot men.



Up until post 9 all was great and then it all went hilly Billy.

Some people seem to be very paranoid indeed.



The cauliflower cheese with no STALK’S was really nice!

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:20

Keep on topic

simbas

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:20

No philbailey my 'accusations' about Selpak are based on evidence, the evidence of their own posts and their own behaviour within those posts which all can see and judge for themselves. Compared with say their accusations like those that the named festival 11 organisers 'won the raffle' prize or took 68,000TL in 'professional fees' or that I have a history of 'stalking' females, which are based on ?



There is a basis for my allegations and if you bother to look closely the cirumstantial evidence that they are connected with a previous notrious and now unsued user ID on here the evidence is both compelling and freely available to all to asses for themselves should they wish to. This is simply not the case for their accusations be they against festival 11 orgnaisers or me as an indivdual. The only 'evidence' that I am a stalker is, suprise surprise from the very user ID that selpak connects to via their own posts and it was nonsense then adn remains so now.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:24

Erolz, why do you insist on stating the obvious ? Readers are not stupid they don't need YOU to spell everything out for them - credit them with some intelligence !

There are a number of issues but for the moment let's just focus on one at a time.

People who purchased tickets for this event expected Cheshire Homes to benefit financially from it and it looks as though they may not have or may have but only by a small amount when compared to the total receipts. As the event was marketed in the Charities name and was for the financial benefit of the Charity, is it unreasonable for people to be asking for or to expect a financial report to be provided by them in a timely manner. Surely, if the Charity had greatly benefited financially, they would have made an announcement to that effect because to do so, would in itself legitimise future events as a source of good income for a very worthy cause. As things stand - how can they ever arrange and organise a future fund

MORE TO FOLLOW

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:24

Selpak msg 81 go on trusting in people being too 'stupid' to see you for what and who you really are if you wish. I myself am happy to trust otherwise.



Appologies Simbas, I will stop now as you have specifically requested it though I know the temptation to do otherwise in the face of the inevitable 'responses' from Selpak and from philbailey will be hard.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:25

raiser with any credibility and expect people to contribute and attend ?



IMHO, Hal and Richard should be banned from being involved in any charity fund raising events in the future - they are no good at it - let others who are more qualified and more successful do it, simple !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:32

And on topic.



To ask for and expect Chesire homes to announce how much was raised from festival 11 and to offer some explaination if that turns out to be a sum considerably lower than would be resonably expected is one thing. If that was all you were doing then there would be no issue here. However what you are doing is not asking this question and waiting for a reponse from chesire homes. What you are doing clearly is using the current uncertainty surrounding the event to make defamatory accusations against a named indivdual without offering any evidence at all and to drag up a totaly seperate historic incident involving them to try and add weight to your current defamatory attacks. I absolutely trust in the average posters intelligence in regards to being able to see what is really going on here with your posts and who you actually are.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:36

And you are trying to tell me the court case was settled and finished and he was vindicated, where is your proof, or was it just hearsay on here?



You are just the same as i am, but you package it different !



I do not beat around the mulberry bush !

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:41

As my uncle Percy used to say !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 20:56

Selpak I am not trying to tell you anything. Others here have said the incident you refer, which is nothing to do with chesire homes or festival 11 to was subject to a court case and the person you accuse was vindicated but not me.



What I am saying is that there are some here who are using the the incertainty surrounding festival 11 as it currently exists to persue a personal vendetta against certain named people here, with no real interest in truth or the colateral damage that is surely doing to others.



There is nothing 'new' about the incident you keep reffering too. It was discussed on these very boards at the time and I am personaly in no doubt that you were involved in those discussions under a different user name back then.

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/50112.asp

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/50103.asp

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/50121.asp

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/63174.asp

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/48705.asp

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/20872.asp

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:02

you said in message 59



were covered in the press and subject to now finished court cases and discussed extensively here .



Please make up your mind if you say it do not say it!



Anyway leave me alone you cyber bully i am old enough to be your granny.

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:03

And endless more threads I could post.

There is a similar recorded history around the whole issue of Johhy Lee's involvment with Cheshire homes, the break with them, the role played by Hal in that break and obvious upset on Johhny Lee's part surrounding all that and with Hal. I have no reason to consider that Johhy is anything other than an honest indivdual doing his best to raise funds as he can, but in the threads around this issue the same people keep popping up with the same attacks on the same indivduals using the same underhand techniques and also similar warnings to Johny to be careful that he does not become collateraly tarnished by all this to those I have offered here.

There is a real issue to do with festival 11 and we all await clarity from chesire homes about that and hope it is forthcomming soon. Then there is other stuff that is going on under the guise of being about festival 11 but is in fact much older and nastier than this issue. I am just highlighting this reality

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:05

Interesting post

from your links

to quote Hal

"Knowing the characters of some of the people in North Cyprus, I have always distanced myself from all financial dealings with the Cheshire Home. The only time I have ever dealt with money is in counting the proceeds from the collection boxes with other volunteers."



Is that still the case ?

,

but the best quote ever

"My wife and I were given some money to help us to start a business. The first we knew that the donors wanted anything back was a newspaper report in which they said that the money was a loan rather than a gift."





Please , come on

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:09

message 90



You keep posting the same link to old thread's,what are you trying to suggest young man?



Maybe now that you have dug up old history i can also post old history!



http://photobucket.com/halsaga



If it gets deleted you can see it in my profile !

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:12

Selpak , you come here and within 50 odd posts make claims that named indivduals who organised festival 11 'won the raffle prize' and took 64,000 TL in 'professtional fees' to organise it, all without offering a shred of evidence for these claims beyond raking up an entirely disconected incident from years ago and then call ME a cyper bully?

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:17

"My wife and I were given some money to help us to start a business. The first we knew that the donors wanted anything back was a newspaper report in which they said that the money was a loan rather than a gift."



It is a super speech don't you think!



Message 90



Who is that good looking gentleman in some of your link's,the chocolate coloured man with a shiny bald head in a pool? He looks like my late husband in his younger days .



I am very confused from your post's,do you think i am not Mary selpak,192.com me if you wish!

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:20

The desire here of some to use the issue of festival 11 and the lack of any 'result' from Chesire homes to date as simply an excuse to rake up an entirely different historic event concerning one of the orgniasers of festival 11 as part of a long running historic campaign by some against that indivdual could not be any clearer in my view.

For pete's sake at least have the decency to start such in (yet another) thread to add to the 10's that are already here from years ago and stop pretending this is about festival 11 rather than about attacking Hal Cromptom as a person on this forum.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:26

Erolz



Read your last sentence in message 62!



What happened sonny Jim !

snakes



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Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:30

I am surprised that a statement has'nt been made tonight and once done think this will stop all speculation and accusations as to whats happened ! It may be wise for all of us to stop "bitching" at eachother for now and await this statement. Please stop fighting as this will only increase bad feeling ! regards Barry

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:33

Now erolz,do as your told and stop yer bitching !

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:33

It would appear that some are trying to silence Erolz however I agree with Snakes and this is probably best a case of wait for a statement from Chesire homes.

ranger5


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Posts: 151

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:35

Well said Barry. Erolz has already said more than once that he will not respond again........but don`t hold your breath

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:43

Snakes as an when Chesire Homes do make a statement, then it may end the speculation about festival 11 and themselves but I doubt it will stop certain posters from persuing personal attacks against certain named indivduals regardless of actual truth and regardless of what the outcome of festival 11 statement from Chesire homes may be as that has been going on long before festival 11 and will no doubt continue long after. These attacks will appear in different threads and will come from yet more 'new' posters no doubt but sadly there is no reason to imagine tomorrow will be any different from today and yesterday in this regard imo.

selpak


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Posts: 281

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 21:53

erolz.



Can you please read message 100 !

snakes



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Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 22:08

Please everyone wait for the statement !!!

cyprusjoker


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Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 23:01

Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pale of water, Jill forgot to take the pill and now she has a daughter.

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
30/01/2012 23:04

The Phantom poet of ole Girne town strikes again

Jonholmes


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 02:04

So what I have read(and this thread is quite confusing) , do I understand this correctly,a large charity event was organised and put on ,yet the monies that were raised are "under discussion".?

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 02:05

yes. yes. yes



So complicated isn't it !

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
02/02/2012 17:33

Still no Press release today ?

Jonholmes


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Posts: 184

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 03:39

Sorry, Selpak yes it is confusing if you do not know the history,I was only asking a simple question.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 00:51

Now , you know.

sort of

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 09:29

The Executive Commitee of the Cheshire Home is pleased to announce the Festival 11 results as follows:



Revenue........111,319.00TL

Expences........68,366.00 TL

---------------------------------

Net profit........42,953.00 TL

Washerman


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Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 09:35

The 'full' statement from the Festival 11 committee can be seen here:



http://news.satellitecyprus.com

Harold2555



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Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 10:16

The Committee apologises for the delay in providing these results due to administration difficulties. These have now been resolved.

The Committee wishes to thank the Festival Committee: Richard Currie, Hal Crompton, Tony Elkin, Ziggy Watkins, Brian Poloczek, Claire Morley, for organising a successful week of entertainment raising this considerable amount of money. The prize draw for two air tickets to the UK was intended to be part of a 3 day concert . The Haluk Levent show has been carried forward to 5th May 2012. The draw will take place then. Our thanks also go to Graham Ash, a retired accountant who has worked independently to bring this Festival's accounts to a successful conclusion.

Cocklebay


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 10:33

This is not an account statement. What do the expeses refer to!?

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 10:47

Thats 25 THOUSAND POUNDS spent on expenses to raise 15 THOUSAND POUNDS for Cheshire Home!



And that is if the amount actually raised of 40 thousand pounds is correct. Thats all they could account for. No records of actual attendance figures, no receipt of how much collected in buckets, no record of raffle tickets sold etc etc etc and so it goes on.



So why no accounts presented ? They clearly have them. Or would they reveal more about where this money went and where it has been over the last five months...earning high interest in a TL account , of course.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 10:54

@ RadioAngel: After your dozens of questions on C44 (re: F11 and Cheshire Homes) may I now be curious for a change? How many minutes of your radiotime, with the appropriate title "The main event", did you spend to get your answers? For your own satisfaction of course (...) but more to the point: to inform your listeners.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 11:06

Re message 115.If that statement is from the CHESHıRE HOME committee it appears they are now thanking two people who they publicly denounced in the press as having nothing further to do with CH, with the codicil that no further money should be given to these two individual, but directly to CH !



They then immediately shut down the CH Charity shop as well......



If it is from the FESTİVAL 11 commitee then they are thanking themselves and including in those thanks 2 people who thay have in the press announced have refused to attend commitee meetings and also Brian Poloczek who for reasons unknown has been excluded from recent accounts meetings.

imposoliedus


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Message Posted:
15/02/2012 11:15

No more charity avents for me i have seen it all now ,sounds like a compleat whitewash

Cocklebay


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 11:23

YEP! message 120, you have hit the nail on the head!

Cocklebay


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Message Posted:
15/02/2012 11:25

YEP! message 120, you have hit the nail on the head! Dutch why do you keep knocking Denise, she is only trying to seek out the truth, on behalf of the general public.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 11:34

Hans

Re your message 118.

My guess is that RadioAngel would not even think of mounting a campaign the size of that carried out on 44 on her radio program. Firstly she would be out a job pdq and secondly she would lose what few of her listeners she has left. I have never listened to any of her broadcasts and I definitely will not be now. Perhaps this campaign on 44 has been more about trying to promote her radio activities than anything else/

Cocklebay


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 11:51

AJ, Denise is governed by her producers, perhaps if you listened to her programme you may then be able to make an informed comment about her listeners!

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 11:52

@ msg 122, Cocklebay: (...) Dutch why do you keep knocking Denise, she is only trying to seek out the truth, on behalf of the general public. (...)

▶ So now asking a question Is knocking RadioAngel (Denise)? Is she the only one who is allowed to ask questions in this and other threads?

What's wrong with my question in msg 118: "How many minutes of your radiotime, with the appropriate title "The main event", did you spend to get your answers? For your own satisfaction of course (...) but more to the point: to inform your listeners."

She loves to talk and write so maybe she'll break her silence soon and reply?

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:00

@ msg 123, AJ: (...) My guess is that RadioAngel would not even think of mounting a campaign the size of that carried out on 44 on her radio program. (...)

▶ I listened to her program (last Sunday, I think), when she chatted with Johnny Lee, one of the insiders re: Cheshire Homes and some events. The program is called "The main event", but the (her) main event on this board these days was carefully avoided by RadioAngel.

So much for her honest efforts to seek the truth. Not in her programme - only on Cyprus44. Where most of the readers know as much as she does.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark, I think.

Cocklebay


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:01

Read message 124 Dutch, Denise is governed by her producers as to what she broadcasts!

reyntj


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Posts: 229

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:04

A lot of these charity things in my mind are a con -i never give to this type of charity or the ones in the uk who employ people they have directors and managers on fat salaries. many have good intentions but much better to just simply help thy neighbour if you want to do something charitable

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:09

Msg 125 and 126,



I think someone is observing, radio silence !

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:12

So has this quest for answers helped any of the charities here, I very much doubt it.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:14

Cocklebay

With all due respect (as I have never listened to her program) how would listening to it help me make an informed comment about the amount of listeners she attracts? I certainly did not make any comment about the type of listeners. Please read my post again and take note of the words 'My guess' and 'Perhaps' which are used to indicate my supposition. In fact if RadioAngel would kindly provide me with listener figures for her program, verified by an independent body, then I will happily eat my hat (if only i could find it).

AJ

Cocklebay


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Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:23

Perhaps if you contact Denise she will oblige you with the information you require.

parkview



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Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:56

I am writing on a personal note, and not, I repeat not, on behalf of the Charity I am a volunteer for.



I have not commented on this situation with Cheshire homes and am not about to. I would however like to say I feel that it is so sad that some individuals will now tar all charities with the same brush. None of us at The Children in Need Foundation are on salaries, expenses or have jollies. All the people involved in our charity have worked very hard over the years trying to make a difference in children’s lives, we saved 3 children in 2 days with equipment we supplied in an ambulance. I understand that one should help thy neighbor, but unfortunately there is a bigger picture here. Anybody who lived here years ago will know the state of the ambulances before Terry Carter and 112 got involved, thank god for his charities input, as it has saved many a life here. I choose to do the work I do selfishly because I feel I am putting something back and this gives me pleasure.



Please

parkview



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Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:57

do not assume because of all what has gone on that we are all the same. There are individuals out there who work tirelessly for the good of others and not for personal or monetary gain, Johnny Lee for one and many more. I could go on and on about the bureaucracy you are up against here trying to help the people of this country and sometimes you feel like throwing the towel in but then you have to remember why you are doing this.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 13:08

Cocklebay

I would expect her to post that information on this board for all to see or is that asking too much, after all is that not what she is advocating re Cheshire Homes?

Cocklebay


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 14:46

Ask her then!!!!

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 17:59

I was at the CH today. They have not been given 42,000 tl. The were paid an intial amount ( undisclosed ) that has been topped up bt 7000 tl this week and are expecting to get the rest paid to them at 1000 tl a MONTH. ...............



Thank you for all the comments re my radio programme mostly from people who profess never to listen !

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 18:23

@ msg 137, RadioAngel: (...) are expecting to get the rest paid to them at 1000 tl a MONTH. (...)

▶ This is a strange story indeed! Did you ask the reason?

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:16

Good post Parkview re message 133.



I do not think all charities have been tarnished by Festival 11 lack of transparency.



Please keep up the good work with The Children in Need Foundation and remember you only get bogged down with paper work when when you do things legally. But thats what makes you accountable and so successful at raising funds and making a real difference.

AnthonySmith


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:25

Re post 137. Where is the rest of the money then? Any hope that this could be settled satisfactorily have been thrown out of the window. I fear people will think twice about supporting charity, particularly the Cheshire Home, or doing anything for charity in North Cyprus.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:29

It seems that Radio Angel’s concerns are/were justified and with this latest bit of news - 1,000TL per month, well!



Seems that someone has been caught with their hand in the cookie jar and has agreed to replace the cookies with a few crumbs and we all know that an agreement to pay 1,000TL per month is not a guarantee that it will be paid.



Seems to me that 111,000TL was collected and for whatever reason, it has ALL gone missing!



Maybe it took so long as some one may of been having a "CURRY in New Zealand" !



So in a nutshell,i can steal over 100,000 TL and spunk the money any old way and when i am challenged regarding the money i can opt to pay it back on the never never monthly basis,what a great system,i wonder who made this scheme up !

Cocklebay


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:33

Re message 133 stop getting worried!, we are proud of you! Do not stop your excellent work!!!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:37

I'm opening the Radio Angel betting shop again.



What are the odds on a further Festival 11 announcement tomorrow ? And what are the odds that we will actually get the truth ?

Cocklebay


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:41

This is now getting funnier than "Only fools and Horses" !

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:42

Del Boy ! Yesssss hahahaha

ranger5


Joined: 29/03/2011
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:43

RadioAngel, after all your persistent concern about the accountability of these funds, I can`t believe you did not press for more details. For example, who is holding the money? Why are they going to pay out at 1000tl per month? How much have CH actually received? etc

Cocklebay


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:45

As we speak "Dixon of Dock Green" is booking his flight with Pegasus!!!!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:48

Ranger trust me I am very pressing ! There's no pleasing some people....thanks Radio Angel for getting us some info ..........no you want more more more !!! Why don't you get out there and get some honest information ? A girls gotta sleep and work sometimes too D x

ranger5


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Posts: 151

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:49

Sorry RadioAngel, can see now this subject is still being debated under two different titles

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 20:50

Thats Ok Ranger. My skin is thick.....good job on this forum !

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:00

What were the expenses for?

that seems alot

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:02

Message 151 wins the award for understatement of the year !

elkiton



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Posts: 514

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:03

The Festival-11 Investigative Sub-committee, Myself, Brian Poloczek, Claire Morley and Ziggi Watkins completed our work this week, which was to identify and gather all information possible re the events, and present this to an accountant to finalise a set of accounts for Cheshire Home. You should be aware that we handled no money ourselves during the festival, other then receipted petty cash amounts, and thus had no personal interest other than collating and providing data, emails, contracts, receipts and invoices. Yes there is a discrepancy in the amount received and Cheshire Home are taking steps to recover this. We are not at liberty to say more as this is the province of the Home itself. You should address your questions directly to them. Our own report on the handling of the Festival project has already been released to the newspapers for publishing this weekend..

TonyE

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:10

message 151



Flights to and from New Zealand



Meals in some of the better eating places on the island



Winter repairs to villa's



The expenses list would be endless.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:15

The province of the home itself!!!!, that is priceless! WHERE is the money, that is all we need to know!!!

elkiton



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Posts: 514

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:22

Get off you ass and go ask them. 155

onyE

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:36

Charming post 156 ...character will all ways show itself eventually ....though in this persons case its normally saved for off forum rants.



Why should Selpak ask them herself ? You are the head of the newly self styled ''Festival-11 İnvesetigative Sub Committee'' !

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:43

It is like the beard club !



I like this part of the statement from 153



You should be aware that we handled no money ourselves during the festival, other then receipted petty cash amounts, and thus had no personal interest other than collating and providing data, emails, contracts, receipts and invoices. WHAT DO YOU CLASS AS PETTY CASH,MAYBE THAT IS THE PROBLEM,IT WAS ALL CLASSED AS PETTY CASH !

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:44

I think if the expenses were explained

all would be fine

horselover48


Joined: 09/09/2010
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:47

RadioAngel The investigative sub-committee ? what the hell they on about now ? its all the same people responsible for the organising, advertising, and eventual showing off events then they all back pedal like mad and start to blame eachother for alledgedly massive pilferring. These people are a joke but there are a lot of people not laughing. How any of them can show their faces in public beggars belief.

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:48

One question Elkington. How much was Twin Management paid ? No nonsense speak, no fudging, just a figure. You paid them, so you must know. Or if for some unimaginable reason you and yor beautifully named committee dont know, say so. Please.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:50

What İnvesetigative Techniques are being used by the ''Festival-11 İnvesetigative Sub Committee''



Has any ones toe nails been pulled off yet,pins under finger nails !



The 3 of you could raise a small fortune having your beards shaven off !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:52

Re message 160. Yes its all the same people minus 2 people who didnt want to play anymore, I person who was on holiday in Mauritius and one person who mistakenly apparently ( !) said he was excluded from some of the meeting. Who does that leave on the commitee !

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:53

Message 160



One was showing his face last night at the valentines evening where pearl played,and he looked very smug if you ask me !

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:57

Well last night the peeps though CH has actually got the money Festval 11 owe them , not that they were on some long term installment plan. I wonder if they are so smug now...and I think there is more to come.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 21:59

I'm sorry radio angel,i do not understand message 165

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 22:05

2 members excluded themselves so we are told.

1 member in Mauritius

1 member excluded from meeting ( apparently I am mistaken on this..........!)



Who does that leave ?



Basically the number of words in the commitees new title exceded those present or allowed to be present at the meetings...

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 22:21

This could well turn into an international investigation - how much money was paid/given to the company (Twin Management I think) that was the middleman for the Acts - was it paid by cheque or, cash? Was the amount paid based on costs including a 'reasonable' profit or, on a figure just pulled out of the air based upon the amount of cash that was in the pot and available ?



Can we trust any of the figures that have been given? Has anyone seen the supposed accountant's qualifications? Who supplied him with the information? This is a Festival 11 committee statement is it not - not a Cheshire Homes statement?



So many questions. If it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 22:23

Has anyone heard of Ziggy Watkins before today ?

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 23:55

http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/85067.asp post 111 lists the committee on Feb 2nd 2012.When did 'Ziggi Watkins' appear ????

Cocklebay


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Posts: 353

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 08:16

Message 156 elkington, true colours now showing through!!!!

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 09:11

msg 168, Selpak, On another forum yesterday, a member wrote that he was told by a committee member of Fest 11 that around 60k tl was paid out on expenses without receipts amongst other things!!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 10:42

If there are no receipts for over 21 thousand pounds then these are not costs but mis appropriation of funds by Festival 11. If you have no receipt for a payment then.......it doesn't get paid ? Right ? Well apparently not. THis 21 K is due payable to CH unless those who spent the money can prove where it went. Twin Management ?

snakes



Joined: 28/10/2008
Posts: 1512

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 11:20

I suppose this would not seem such a"rip off" If Twin Management and the 2 C's had advertised it as a seperate concern with no Cheshire Home involvement, but presume much higher costs and taxes would be due hence less profit for ?? if it were able to happen at all. In 2010 I and others (not all) played for free because of the great cause the funds were alledgedly going to. I spoke to a performer from the south and thanked her and the band for their support and giving their time for such a good cause and she just laughed at me.

RadioAngel


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Posts: 426

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 11:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb-izv1aMGM

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 14:40

Yes Snakes you are 100% correct. As you know I was involved with Festival 10 and on the day alone I gave at least 10 hours of my time free, as did yourself an many of the so called (smaller acts). Not a term I would describe them as, because as far as I am concerned giving your time an equipment etc, for free.



This a much bigger act. Like so many of you have done time and time again paying for your own travel costs, food and drink.



You Guys are the BIG acts.



Not advertising yourselves as doing it for Charity, and taking money,



Thank goodnes for the real genuine artists who have worked for free, Snakes, Emma, Pearl, and lots of you I can't name you all but I know that you have worked for free and will continue to do so.



What makes me laugh is the people responisble for this Fiasco asked us last year how could we validate spending Circa. 1,200 TL to make a profit of just over 4,000 TL for Ismail.



Genuine set up costs all documented.



60,000 TL expenses IT STINKS

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 14:51

Lee,



I agree, the people, be they artists of volunteers who give their time ans services for free are the Big contributors to charities. You and many others have done this with Ismail's fund but some have , on occasions, tried to hinder you. Please see posts 148 and 149 for my thoughts on this and other matters, regards.

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 14:53

Lee, sorry, posts 148 and 149 on the other Cheshire Home thread.

JohhnyLee


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Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 15:28

Thank You EamonnMc I will have a look







Realy sorry to go off topic.



EamonnMc the other night Jan and I where going back through our digi. Cam. Pics. for last year, would love to send you some . We have excellent ones of you at Haci Ali. with some gorgeous girls on the dance floor.



Please text me your email. 0090 533 843 6539



Best wishes , and once agin sorry to go off topic.

eyebob


Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 15:36

Seems these people who organised this were on a nice little earner,and they didn`t need work permits either!!Good work if you can get it.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 15:39

Lee ,



Don't know if I want to be reminded. lol. Just sent my email address to Malcolm, please ask him for it. Looking forward to hearing from you. Regards to Jan. I also apoligise for going off topic.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 15:40

Having read and contributed to both threads on this issue, I will not be making any further comment as I feel that certain people have a wish to create a nasty and vitriolic vendetta against certain people. All that I personally wanted was the truth, not to create a vitriolic campaign on behalf of others!!

RadioAngel


Joined: 21/01/2012
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 18:29

To confirm;



I was at the Cheshire Home today and the installment plan I posted yesterday, of 1000 tl of the money raised to be paid back at this monthly rate, is correct. It is not a case of 'not a shred of evidence'.... this ia a fact.



I continue to ask who is paying this money back that was raised 5 months ago, where the funds are being held at the moment, and I would also like to know what Twin Management were paid for their services. CH does not have this information.



If people don't like me asking this, tough. If anyone wants to answer these questions please feel free to contact me.



These are 3 very reasonable questions that I have been asking for a while.



In light of the new information I am surprised no one from the Festival 11 Commitee has come forward to explain.



Thats all folks from me for now unless I get any new information.



I expect here will be a full report this Saturday in Cyprus Today.



I wish you all good luck and good health D x

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 18:48

Are some of you crazy?



Tony Elkiton said (Yes there is a discrepancy in the amount received and Cheshire Home are taking steps to recover this. We are not at liberty to say more as this is the province of the Home itself)



So that means some wrong doing, or in plain English, hands in the Till, why would anyone say sorry, sorry for being correct.

I think some of you are not seeing the clear picture.



This bunch of crooks used the name Cheshire home to organise festival 11-10-party in the park-and many other events.

Cheshire home had nothing to do with it, but all funds was going to Cheshire home, there was 100s of thousands of TL raised, the CH have had very little, so either the money has been lost, stolen, gambled, frittered, used for flights to New Zealand, and you lot are saying a certain few are damaging the good reputation of a few, you must be kidding, it is self inflicted.

WHERE IS THE MONEY. WHO HAS THE MONEY. THE QUESTIONS ARE EASY TO ANSWER IF PEOPLE ARE HONEST !

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 18:59

I was wondering when " Perky " would happen along....spreading happiness and light as she goes on her happy way.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:09

@ msg 183, RadioAngel: Instead of repeating your questions all the time - could you take some time to reply to questions from your readers? Thank you. Like the one below.



@ msg 137, RadioAngel: (...) are expecting to get the rest paid to them at 1000 tl a MONTH. (...)

▶ This is a strange story indeed! Did you ask the reason?



And I add: Did you ask, when you were at Cheshire Homes, how many months the 1000 TL instalments were expected?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:18

Old saying

If it smells like

if it looks like it



it normally is !

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:18

On today's episode," Pinky and Perky of the Bailey" will wow their audience with the brilliance of their interviewing technique. "You done it, you dirty rat, stop smiling like a Cheshire Cat and admit it " " No reply, eh ? that's all the proof we need " The judge dons his black cap......Doesn't look good for our hero, viewers !

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:20

EamonnMc



Is it not plain enough to see,CH have said they had a small amount of money, the committee said over 100,000 was raised, now CH are getting paid 1000TL a month.



Does that sound like good practice to you, is that how fund-raisers the world over pay money to charities after they have raised the money, pay them monthly, is that how CH thought they was going to get the money?



If you cannot see any wrong doing then you must wear blinkers or do not want to see any wrong doing!!!

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:24

EammonnMc, I have not answered your posts up to now, but please give it a rest, keep picking on 2 people that have helped expose a scam. There are some of us on here that have been directly involved by providing free entertainment, advertising etc and have first hand knowledge, by various means, which have shown us that there has been wrong doing, not by CH, but by certain individuals that organised these events under the banner of CH. As you previously stated you have no connection whatsoever with this, so therefore know little.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:27

But wait, dear viewers, someone in the court has copped it that "Pinky and Perky" are not real judges and with one great leap, our hero is free ! " Whew, Batman, that was a close call"," never fear Robin, justice and truth were on our side " Kerpow !!!!

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:30

MrsSnakes,



If you Really know of wrongdoing and have proof of same, call in the old Bill.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:31

@ msg 190, MrsSnakes: (...) 2 people that have helped expose a scam. (...)



▶ What scam, MrsSnakes? "Innocent until proven guilty", or..?



(...) There are some of us on here that have been directly involved by providing free entertainment, advertising etc and have first hand knowledge, by various means, which have shown us that there has been wrong doing (...)



▶ Then it's the duty "of some of us here" to inform the police.

selpak


Joined: 15/12/2011
Posts: 281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:34

The same person has been involved in something that has turned to mush and yet some still wish to give the benefit of the doubt.

A poor man went to his grave never knowing if his wife managed to recover their hard earned money.



Now the same man has had my money and not given it to where I wished for it to go too.



Plus 1000s of other people’s money and not given it to where it was intended.



So I am wrong for writing this according to EamonnMc.



Well it is bloody well theft of my money.



I may ask my friend to accompany me to the police station,is this a good idea?

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:36

DC, I knew it wouldn't take you long to jump on me!! You never have liked me have you?

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:41

@ msg 195, MrsSnakes: (...) DC, I knew it wouldn't take you long to jump on me!! You never have liked me have you? (...)

▶ MrsSnakes, I don't know you nor do I feel the urgent wish to change that situation.

Why don't you just answer my plain question in msg 193?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:41

As previously proposed:

RadioAngel and Selpak

If you have evidence of a fraud then take that evidence to the Police.

You are both making some serious allegations so I would guess that you have evidence to prove wrong doing.

So do you have the evidence or are your allegations based purely on your own speculations?

Now that should be easy for both of you to answer or are you both going to blag your way out of answering the above question honestly.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:45

Msg 195,



If D.C really didn't like you, then he might accuse you of something that he couldn't prove that you did.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:50

Msg. 196, likewise. Although you once said hello to Barry and I in a local store, said you would ask your friend to bring me some tulip bulbs from Netherlands and asked me to email you with regards to sacred information about Zeytinlik to which you never could be bothered to answer. Also, I dont have to answer to you or anyone unless I want to. Kind regards, Mrs Snakes.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:52

Msg 198. in the words of TOWIE ................Shutupppppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 19:53

Well, this is post 200 and maybe the gang can start gossiping in a new thread about the accountant, the newspaper report and what have you?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 20:09

Late Night meeting of "The Justice League Of Northern Cyprus " " It's serious, fellow super heroes " says Batman, "Pinky and Perky " have got their hands on some Kryptonite and are threatening "Cheshire Cat Woman " with death by a thousand allegations. Sharp intake of breath by the other " superheroes" present," Golly gosh. Batman, says Robin.What will we do ? " " Dutch Crusader"bangs the table and says " We need "Alsancak Jack Lightning! to sort them out, before "The Joker" starts laughing at the absurdity of it all " Batman says to Robin, "Can't call you by name anymore, my friend, as "Pinky and Perky " have called called you by that name, so now I'll call you "Innocent "instead." Well done Batman " say the other superheroes." Anyone for a drink ?"...".Make mine an Efes ", says " Alsancak Jack Lightning " innocently, to general laughter.