Web designing and developing

Pharzad


Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 11:26

Hi , We are providing Web designing and developing across the TRNC .



If you want to have a professional web site :

Contact us:



05338857208



or visit our website

http://www.roxeen.com

RubberDuck


Joined: 16/02/2009
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 11:59

Hi, would be interested in seeing some of your work. Could you post some links please? I couldn't get any of the links on your own site to work apart from getting some page talking about something called Dreamweaver.

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 12:19

nice idea, although can I suggest that when advertising your website and service that you make sure the page links on your site are working! especially valuable in your line of business!!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 12:44

Yes it does help if your own website works !

DONTY


Joined: 07/06/2007
Posts: 534

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 13:11

Not the best website i've seen and you've got links to nowhere!!!!



Isn't Dreamweaver a program for beginners?

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 13:16

Hi there,

Hope this doesn't cross the line but we also offer a similar service....



We have over 20 years working in design and web.

http://business.lincguide.com/lincguide-focus-websites/



http://www.lincguide.com is our site too



I can send links to recent work on request.

pete@lincguide.com

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 14:27

What a good advert, no working links etc.



Try here for website design work and other computer services.



SystemLogix offer elegant, affordable website design and development services along with friendly customer service at affordable rates!



One of the many features requested by our web clients is the desire to have the ability to readily update their own website, without having to employ an in-house web designer. With a site designed by SystemLogix, you have the ability to securely login and edit the content.



Have your website designed and built on your own domain name and not a sub-domain, so you own the name and website.



http://www.systemlogix.co.uk

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 15:05

AndyP



It is always a risky thing to offer critisim of others work but I hope this is taken in the right spirit.



You really should check your HTML via W3C (world wide web consortium) validator service.



Here is the link for the validator results for on of the pages on your site



http://tinyurl.com/d9q42x



Also a small design point - on those pages where you have 'tabs' the mouse over uses white text on a very light grey background, making the text almost unreadable.



Still a lot better than the oringal posters site, but then that was not a very high bar really

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 15:07

I use Dreamweaver...and i am a pensioner!!

croft



Joined: 09/02/2009
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 15:10

MSG 5: Isn't Dreamweaver a program for beginners?



No, Adobe Dreamweaver if a fully-fledged site development tool, suitable for large teams.



I supports JavaScript, PHP and other important scripting languages for web development.



However, it is freely available to anyone who cares to buy it, regardless of their expertise...

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 17:29

Re MSG 8



Thank you for the critisim.



A very good point about the tabs and that has now been fixed.



The errors shown in the validator are a false positve because these are corrected within several CSS files and the validator is not reading them. So effectively no errors.



Re MSG 5

DreamWeaver an excellent tool and I think you will find most web designers use it at some point.

croft



Joined: 09/02/2009
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 17:56

Sure beats a text editor and a copy of Netscape Navigator, which were the first tools I built a web site with. Mind you, that was back in 1995, when Microsoft didn't even see a future in the Internet.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 17:57

AndyP msg 11



"The errors shown in the validator are a false positve because these are corrected within several CSS files and the validator is not reading them. So effectively no errors."



I understand what you are saying but it is still 'sloppy html' in my personal view. All sorts of pages and html that fail the validator will work most of the time on most browsers or even all of the time, but they still represent 'sloppy work'. Just my personal perspective. For an example of exemplary HTML just have a look at



http://www.bbc.co.uk/



This is a complex page that uses CSS and is 100% error free when checked in the wc3 validator. That to me is quality web implementation (and the desing is pretty good too).

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 18:10

The one thing i would say to everybody is download the firefox web browser and never use internet explorer ever again....

its horrible!



Moderated by AndyP

Removed the link as the wrong one was put on here. Only removed to stop confusion.



Andy

croft



Joined: 09/02/2009
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 18:13

I support that notion Petez, it's well worth getting and it will update to the latest version without you needing to check with the website.

croft



Joined: 09/02/2009
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 18:15

That said, I'd use this link to download http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 18:22

You seem to know your stuff Croft...

Have you used Wordpress blog software before?

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 18:31

RE MSG 14

DONT USE THIS LINK



Thanks for the correct link Croft, i spelt it wrong when i googled it...

The other one is not the official Mozilla site and could be anything...

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 18:46

OK. To make this fair to everybody who has advertised on here. Lets look at the errors for each site, so that it not just mine thats getting a bashing.



MSG1 - http://www.roxeen.com (1 page as far I can see) = 1 Error



MSG6 - http://business.lincguide.com/lincguide-focus-websites/ = 8 Errors



MSG6 - http://www.living-in-northern-cyprus.com = 93 Errors, 18 warning(s)



MSG7 - http://www.systemlogix.co.uk = 8 Errors



Seems the usual lets knock everybody who is trying make a go of things.



Perhaps Erolz you would like to give us some examples of your work????

croft



Joined: 09/02/2009
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 18:59

Dont' beat yourself up too much Petez - your misspelled link actually worked! I assume Mozilla sussed out that a lot of people would do the same thing, so registered it.



I'm afraid I haven't used Wordpress, so I can't help you there.

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 19:05

Now you have me all confused think I will stick as Brucie used to say

Sheila

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 19:17

Andy,

Thanks for pointing that out for me!!



They are just small scripting discrepencies,

There are nearly 200 pages on there and its a highly complex joomla content management system with 4 wordpress installations and another various other scripts.

Not to mention all the additional plugins, javascript, members areas, and integration with Google connect and Facebook connect,



It has taken 6 months full time work to get to the present stage.

There are bound to be a few errors, but its like comparing a village with a small country.



Luckily all the errors on

http://www.living-northern-cyprus.com make no difference to the website.

But anyway, nothings perfect....



Croft. some wordpress info here

http://wordpress.org/

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 19:26

AndyP,

the Roxeen site had TWO pages when I looked at it!

try clicking on the Roxeen logo - it's a hyperlink that takes you to 'other pages' (one)

None of the links work on that page either...

Keith.

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 19:30

Not sure why this posting has not been removed to the for sale forum..moderator reply please

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 19:34

i think it should be moved to Nerds Corner!

croft



Joined: 09/02/2009
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 20:01

Do you mind Petez, some of my best friends are Ner...

Uh oh, I don't really want to be saying that do I?

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
25/03/2009 20:05

No, i meant Nerds in a good way...



you wait, everyone will want to be a nerd next year!

croft



Joined: 09/02/2009
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 01:48

Yeah - but that's just them following the nerd

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 08:39

AndyP msg 19



I am sorry if you felt I was bashing you and you alone. You did however 'bash' the original poster yourself and in my view fairly so.



For me if I was looking for a webstie design and implementation company then checking their work against the W3C standards is just a basic thing I would do. This would not be my only selection criteria but it would be a main one. The majority of websites probably do fail such validation, but the best implemented website do not. A web site implementation company that takes the trouble to ensure the sites they build are fully W3C compliant would score very highly with me. It show an attention to detail and throughness that reflects well on the company in general. It is possible to build the most complex websites and maintain 100% W3C compatiblity. Just look at the bbc site for one example.



I am not having a go at anyone. I am just sharing my opinions and views. As for examples of my work



[cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 08:43

I am not a web site implementor nor am I seeking to promote myself as such or in the market to sell such services. However if I were in that marketplace I personaly would try and ensure that the sites I designed maintained full W3C compliance. I would also welcome someone pointing out this to me if I had overlooked it, so that I could implement such compliance and thus improve the impression of my service to others. I would consider it constructive critism.



Anyway I am sorry if I offended you.

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 10:13

Re MSG 22



Petez

I too use the Joomla sytem with lots of plugins etc and that is why I get my errors, although not errors as such but false positives. This happens with all CMS systems because of the way they work and is not down to bad programming.



Re MSG 29





Re MSG 24

If you hadn't noticed on my postings on this thread, I am a moderator. This thread does not fall under the For Sale cat. So it stays where it is!!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 10:28

AndyP msg 31



" although not errors as such but false positives."



They are errors. The vast majority are incosequential errors 99.9% of the time, the coding equivalent of not dotting i's and crossing t's. It is true that website and cms generating software like dreamweaver cause many of these errors and it is one of the downsides of such software. Recent version of dreamweaver have improved on this considerably but it still often fails to produce 100% WC3 compliant code. One could take the generated HTML from such systems and tidy it up, crossing the t's and doting the i's that it misses. Or one can just leave it. It is perfectly possible to have a CMS system that remains 100% compliant with W3C standards. The best implemented CMS systems are 100% compliant. It does take more effort and attention to detail to achieve this.

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 10:37

Hi Andy,

Am glad you know what you are talking about...



Hi Erolz,

Thanks for the comments, no offence taken,

the errors that you get from W3C are very minor things, eg



Here is one error....

I have a graphic of a corner of a frame, because in the code i have not give it an alternative 'name' should it fail to load, it will show as an error.

The thing is, it will load, and if it doesn't having an the words "corner of frame" replacing it, doesn't help anyone.



I agree about the BBC, my partner worked on their websites for over 10years.

They have a £145 million budget per year...



I think the main thing is to have a website that functions without errors to the visitor, one of the main reasons i did the North Cyprus site was the amount of really bad sites about the place. (Cyprus44 not included)



ps.

Have you checked the errors for cyprus44? It seems to work perfectly.

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 13:00

Re message 30

Erolz, 'Technically' you are right, but i don't know any designers/developers or more importantly customers who even check W3C standards.

If a site works, it works.



If you advertise as a web developer and the page on your site that is supposed to attract customers doesnt work, thats not a good sign.



Anyway, its not that important in the scheme of life , so ill stop going on about it now!

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 13:36

Anything to do with IT or 'web design', is a step into the Dark Side of life!



No-one in that Industry is actually a human being.



They are all Cyborgs who speak in tongues to confuse and control humanity!



You have been warned!



Rob

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 13:49

Petez msg 33/34



"I think the main thing is to have a website that functions without errors to the visitor,"



Certainly that is the main thing and it is also true that most of these errors are inconsequential in and of themselves, which I did say earlier. However a 100% compliant site will work on a greater range of systems and browsers than a less than 100% one. It may only affect 1 person in 100,000 but websites can attract hits in the millions.

For me the real point is that striving to achieve 100% compliance as a web implementation company says alot obout the 'mindset' of that company. It is an indicator to me that they go the 'extra mile'.



"but i don't know any designers/developers or more importantly customers who even check W3C standards."



Here we do differ. I have a couple of friends that have worked in web implementation form the earliest days and they DO check for W3C compliance as do thier clients though



[cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 13:54

to be fair these tend to be large corporate clients.



"Have you checked the errors for cyprus44? It seems to work perfectly."



I did give it a quick check but the big difference is that this is not the site of someone selling web implmentation services as their business. I run a forum that is also rife with compliance errors but generaly 'works'. As a free , non commerical site I am not too worried about these errors. It generaly does what it is supposed to do most of the time. However if were to PAY someone to build a site for me I would have higher expectations than this. As I said already, failing to 'tidy up' such things would not make me exclude a given company at all , but if I were comparing two and everything else was even I would always choose the company that took the trouble to worry about such details over one that did not.

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 16:24

Hi Erolz,

I disagree, personally i would choose the one that has experience, many happy clients, offers excellent design and consultation at all levels and doesn't try to rip me off with hosting and domain names etc.



The last thing i would worry about was whether there was an image in the code without an 'alt' tag.



But thats only me...

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 17:26

Petez I quite agree with you.



Also, I have have just spent the last 2 hours correcting all the validation errors on my site. What was left with??



** A site that look great as far as validating website thought. **



Reality. My site was all over the place. Template all messed up. Took ages to load and was totally trashed and unusable!!!!



This just goes to prove that bending the rules of validation are done for a reason. After all, all my happy customers and hopefully future ones want just two things.

1. A great looking website that works.

2. Top ranking in Google. Which can be done, even by bending the validation rules. (don't bother testing to see where Systemlogix comes in Google as I have not bothered with optimising it as I don't need it at the top).

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 18:06

If you want the arguments 'why validate' then do not take them from me. Take them from the people who DEFINE the STANDARDS that the world wide web is built on. They kind of do know what they are talking about.



http://validator.w3.org/docs/why.html



as for



"2. Top ranking in Google."



You do not want to get me started on this topic. I will say however that I would be extremely wary of ANYONE who claims to be able to give you a top ranking in google.



Designing a site to be 'google friendly', unsing legitimate techiques to help google easily index your site and the like, is one thing. However this does not gurantee a top ranking, it just enures you have the optimal chance of recieving the ranking your site deserves. Claims beyond this are dubious.

MimoMar


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 18:10

Erolz, nobody likes a smart a**e

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 18:28

MimoMar msg 41



"nobody likes a smart a**e"



good job I am not here to be popular then I guess



And a little more from an a**e much smarter than me on the subject of validation of html.



"All too many Web authors, however, use "This page looks just fine on my browser" as a substitute for "This page follows the basic rules of HTML." And thus is born the bratty Web page. Joe's browser is kind enough to overlook Joe's flagrant violations of the rules underlying HTML, so he figures the page is fine, and he posts it on the Website. But when Jane's less tolerant browser hits the page, it chokes and dies.



Many contemporary Web authors propose a simple solution: "No problem! Just switch browsers!!" "



from



http://www.pantos.org/atw/h-valid.html

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 19:36

This is way too techie for me I created my web site, http://www.msaint.co.uk quite a while ago I only done it in publisher saved it to the web using an FTP called FTP commander and a cheap hosting service. update it easily every now and then. OK it is not a flash piece of work infact there is nothing flash about it but it does work and I get quite a few contract enquiries from international clients that have seen my site. I know nothing about HTML, Tags, flash content and all that but do you really need to??

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 21:04

TheSaints msg 43



"I know nothing about HTML, Tags, flash content and all that but do you really need to??"



For a site like yours no not really. You may loose the very very occasional potential client that has trouble viewing your site because of the very sloppy nature of HTML that publisher produces but over all this is balanced by not having had to pay anyone to do the site for you and the total control you have.



However for a company who's very business is the implementation of websites I would argue that it is vitaly important that THEY know about HTML, Tags, Flash content and all that.



One thing you might want to look at for your site is Search Engine Optimisation (SEO). A good overview of what SEO is all about can be found here



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization



Stick to the the 'white hat' techniques and you will probably increase the amount of potential clients that find you via your site. See the ref links 17,18 and 19 for



[cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 21:06

fairly simple things you can do that will help google and other search engines find and place your site against search queries. Doing this in your situation would be , in my opinion, time much better spent than worrying about validation errors produced by Publisher.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 21:26

erolz,



Agreed and thanks for that advice it will be used.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/03/2009 21:37

TheSaints one other thing that it's probably worth doing as well is submitting your site to dmoz.org. Have a look here



http://www.dmoz.org/add.html



It may take years for your site to get accepted , if ever but it if does you will see increased traffic from a dmoz listing both from people using dmoz and because of the relationship between dmoz and google that will see you rank higher in google searches if you have a dmoz listing.



The key things in submitting your URL is to spend some time finding the right category to submit it to, not submitting more than once and an extreme amount of patience.

Pharzad


Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
27/03/2009 23:35

Our designing team are changing the whole website thats why its not working right now my apology i didnt know it ASAP it start working i'll inform you.





best regards