Border crossing changes?

jacktheladett


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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 17:05

Anyone driven south today? Was the border crossing 'as normal'?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 17:27

Did the UN green line suddenly before a "border" to the RoC? .. I think, not....



May be you mean - any issues heading north? ... I wouldn't expect any... Turkey decided to open the gates - thanks to a European Court of Human Rights case brought by a TC..... as long as TR is a member of the Council of Europe - it is EXTREMELY unlikely either "side" could close the crossing points for long.

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 17:32

I didn't cross the BORDER today but probably will later this week..

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 17:49

What time do the insurance booths shut on a saturday on the other side please

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 18:06

re msg 3 , Dee..



and I'll bet you'll have no time to check out any of the 101 Mosques in the RoC..;)



re msg 4, Nige



Why don't you try and get a years cover from Gandirect or similar in the RoC, Nige.. as you are over so often - think of the time it would save.. !



http://www.gandirect.com.cy/ganNew/contact.php



or



http://www.gandirect.com.cy/gannew/members/newIndex.asp



I couldn't get this to work in Chrome - so you might have to use MS Explorer !

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 18:09

Gandirect or similar in the RoC, Nige.. as you are over so often - think of the time it would save.. !



trie they will not do it say i have to get it at the border ( their words ) as car is reg in the occupied territories.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 18:22

re msg 6



OK Nige..



You need to find out the address of the brokers at the crossing points and ask them... I did a deal for a year on MY car with a guy in the north and he even rang me in the UK in Sept to renew ;)



If you can't get anywhere I will TRY to help....



M

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 18:50

Border everytime I cross the border I look..I promise I will let you know as soon as I see one

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 18:54

crossed over the the green line, (buffer zone) no problem today with our yearly insurance that we get in famagusta.

TheSaints



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Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 19:02

Dee you may be proven correct, UBP are in now and they want the TRNC to be recognised will they start to regard the Green Line as "THE BORDER" between the two different states of Cyprus??

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 19:02

Dear Dee, re msg 8



I can only suggest a visit to an optician during your visit as:



1/ there is no "border" - just a UN designated crossing points across a cease fire line ;)



2/ There's plenty of Mosques to see - only 101 - of them - Dee told us there's none and would apologise if she was wrong... If you want to avoid 'em be sure to close your eyes if you visit Larnaca airport - don't look 1 km to the west / Larnaca town centre or Limas(s)ol old town..



Don't look to the right as you head down the Nicosia - Lima(s)sol Highway passing Kalvassos or look north as you approach the Souni turn off on the Limas(s)ol - Paphos ( Baf)section ..( Kantou)



Don't look to the north as you approach the Avidimou turnoff or look south just before as you pass Paramali



Could it be you are suffering "selective visionitis"... you could just admit you boobed.... ;)



AGAIN...

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 19:26

RE msg 11, 6xm > 1/ there is no "border" <



=> Ha, ha, nice one, 6xm! I remember another board member, called MarkyMark, who used to tell the same joke at least a dozen times a week. Five years or so ago... But, granted, a good old joke remains a good old joke...



PS. Tell us what the Greek writing news papers say today about the elections and the 5 out of 10 TC's who don't want to be sold to your friends on the dark side?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 19:45

Dear Hans, re msg 12



1/ As you know MM stands for Markymark - I HAD to use MM and then 4 more to comply with the six character min rule of this board..



2/ This MM still refers you to your very own govt Foreign Office web site - and it's policy re Cyprus ! ;P



3/ As it is a Holiday in "orthodox" Cyprus - you'll have to wait for the answer to Newspaper reports... and I'll have to quote the CY Mail - my Greek isn't up to the standard required to translate !



4/ Which *is* "the dark side" ? I know that the Kyrenia district get less sun because of the mountain to the south.... ;)



5/ Do tell us - where the UN / EU refer to any "borders " in Cyprus and we'll be able to share your joke ! ;)

juliet


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Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 19:57

6ms



number 5 should also apply to dee.....

erolz


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Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:11

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/1428255/Cyprus-border-opens-for-first-time-in-30-years.html



"Cyprus border opens for first time in 30 years"



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2969089.stm



"Emotion as Cyprus border opens"



http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/25/world/thousands-cross-cypriot-borders-after-restrictions-are-lifted.html



"Thousands Cross Cypriot Borders After Restrictions Are Lifted"

proline


Joined: 19/01/2009
Posts: 291

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:13

Hi,

Can anyone tell me how much is a 3rd party 1 year insurance in the south for a TRNC number plated car?

Thanks!

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:18

erolz

No they cant be right after all we have the experts on borders posting here and they know better.

Take care

AJ

jacktheladett


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 528

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:40

So, everything at the BORDER is normal then!

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 20:46

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - its a border. For us, for you, for everyone. POINT. Stop gettin on peoples nerves

juliet


Joined: 11/01/2009
Posts: 612

Message Posted:
20/04/2009 21:56

erolz



love the way the BBC use the word "dividing line" & "invaded" as well as green line & border... there journalist obviously dosnt want to upset anyone...

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 03:44

Juliet the point is that the BBC, Telegraph and New York Times all used the word border in their headlines. They do this not because they are stupid or ignorant of the facts. They do this because unlike MM they know and understand that the word border has a specific politcal and legal meaning AND it ALSO has a general every day common usage as well. This is something they clearly understand yet MM is unable to accept.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 03:59

Dear Erolz,



re msg 15/21



"the BBC, Telegraph and New York Times all used the word border in their headlines. "



We were only discussing today with AJ how inaccurate the BBC reporting of Cyprus is.. !



Like I said, the UN / EU / UK all refer to it as a cease fire line / green line.. I'm SURE you can search the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office website ..



re 19 , Soothsayer



AJ will be regretting thinking you might not be a TC.. I know I'm in the minority on here.. but let's not kid ourselves.. if it's an international border - how many countries recognise "TRNC" as a "nation"...?

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 06:26

You are getting soooo boring mmmmmm,

Geoff1131MK11


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 396

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 07:49

Hows this for a solution.

We can all go across the BORDER whenever we want to go south.

And all in the south can come across the CEASE FIRE LINE when coming to the north.

See how simple it is!!!!!!!!

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 09:12

Proline Msg 16

pais 25 euros for a month and I think a year was 25X12 euros.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 09:25

RE msg 24, Geoff > We can all go across the BORDER whenever we want to go south. And all in the south can come across the CEASE FIRE LINE when coming to the north. <



=> 1 : The government of the TRNC says it's a border - so IT IS a border. 2 : It's NOT enough to wave a white flag to enter TRNC from the South - you need a valid passport or other required document. So, again, IT IS a border. Even 6xm has to show some document at THE BORDER.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 10:04

Dear DC, re msg 26



"the government of the TRNC says it's a border - so IT IS a border"



Oh dear, Hans - but the ECHR say the effective control of "TRNC" is Turkey and who is the only country to recognise "TRNC"? ..



I have to show photo ID to be able to go from N.I to to the mainland UK - does that mean I left the UK ;)



Hans, there is a de facto situation in part of Cyprus.. it doesn't make it *de jure* ...

Kitty1


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 13:10

Jacktheladette - I bet you wish you hadn't asked now!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 13:16

RE msg 27, 6xm : The answer is yes or no, whatever pleases you...

elkiton



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Posts: 514

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 13:46

Dear oh dear, Must be 4 years on and still the same old same old boring dross being peddled by the same old boring people who think that corrupting a thread with their same old boring propaganda is clever.



Still, I suppose with a keyboard to hide behind and unlimited time these people have nowt' better to do.



It really is a shame when people check a thread like this one, to see if there is genuinely any glitches that might mar a (perhaps) important journey, to find these "burkes" splattering their claptrap into an otherwise useful space.



Get a life.



TonyE

Ex-pat, Resident of the TRNC, living happily North of the Border.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 14:04

Hello , Tony re msg 30



Still living that surreal dream... could you define what is "propaganda" in the context of your post ?

SaraP


Joined: 30/04/2008
Posts: 295

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 14:33

Does anybody know how much you are allowed to spend over in the south?

I thought it was 136 euros per person, is that still the case?

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 14:49

135 euros according to the green line regulations





BUT THERE IS NOT A DEFINATIVE LIST AVAILABLE ON WHAT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SPEND IT ON.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 14:50

Mark



The definition of 'Propaganda' :



Claiming living in TRNC is a 'surreal dream'.

fire starter


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 14:56

went south this morning no problem.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:00

Hi RobnJo re msg 34



Is your name Tony?



Did you mention the word "propaganda" in the context of stating how things are in the eyes of the world outside /TR / "TRNC" concerning "nationhood" and "frontiers "?



Now I explained "surreality" and perhaps you can explain how pointing out the above is "propaganda".. ? !

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:06

Border it is a BORDER



When and only when I see some Mosques in the south will I let you know, and I may even apologise if I do, if I feel and apology is necessary.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:08

Border, ignore the 'and' it is not needed...slight offside with my grammar today, must be all this lovely sunshine.

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:08

Mark



Tony? 'fraid not!



How exactly did you explain surreality?







You seem to be 'bordering' on it yourself.



Rob

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:42

Dear Dee,



re msg 38



"must be all this lovely sunshine."



are you in the UK, then ? ;) ..



our green grass has grown 10cm in two weeks..



re msg 39



Rob.. "surreality" is an adequate adjective to describe "TRNC"... from "buying" a property , gaining access to it, posting a letter, "visas" ...etc.,



I'm asking what is "propaganda( ish)" about reminding folk that the majority of flok on the island and outside it do not regard the UN cease fire line as a de jure national "frontier" ?

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:47

See what happens when someone want a simple answer to a simple question



Anyone driven south today? Was the border crossing 'as normal'?



"No problems, everything was fine"



See how easy it could be

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:53

MM msg 22



and like I have shown Mark the BBC AND the Telegraph AND the New York Times all have no problem using the word border in articles relating to Cyprus. Not because they are ignorant of the legal status but because they are cognisant of the reality that the word has BOTH a specific technical legal / political meaning AND an everyday common usage meaning. As non partisan and non politcal organisations they clearly see using the word in this common usage non technical way as appropriate. Certainly political government departments like the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office have to take a different approach and they do - but NORMAL people do not NORMALY speak like a government department, they speak like normal people, as the respected news sites I have quoted do as well.



Well most normal people that is

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 15:58

Hi ErolZ, re msg 42



My govt(s) UK / IRL refer to "TRNC" as such and I believe the EU and UN refer to the green line in legislation.. no ?



Your "most" people are just plain wrong... ..and it ain't even "most" ppl - except may be on boards like this...



;)

erolz


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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:12

If people use the word border to make out that the TRNC is an internationaly recognised state then yes they are wrong. However what you seem incapable of accepting or understanding is that people, including the BBC, Telegraph and New York Times all use the word border to simply mean a boundry between two entities that have customs controls and passport contols. The word does not have to be a political statement. For you it is always a political statement and my point is that this is not true for many other people. It is just a word.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:32

Dear ErolZ, ( eeeeeeeeeeek sorry, forgot.. your don't like "Dear" !)



"If people use the word "border" to make out that the TRNC is an internationaly recognised state then yes they are wrong. "



THANK YOU.....



As you VERY well know - semantics - the wording of contracts/ agreements / legal documents is *everything*.



Using the word "border" therefore implies ignorance or is making a ( wishful) political point... no ?



I would put "customs" and and " passport" in the "dreaded" inverted commas as I'm into de jure rather than de facto ..



As ever, I believe that thinking the "TRNC" is independent - a state -actually holds back the ability of TCs to have a real say in Cyprus - or outside.



I fully acknowledge that they voted YES in April 2004 - and that it is the GCs that need to "soften" their attitude and follow ALL ECHR rulings..not just the one's that suit.

jacktheladett


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 528

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:33

Good grief, what a load of fuss about nothing!



I've answered the question myself now, no changes at THE BORDER, all is well.



Continue winding each other up if you like, but subject closed for me, thx everyone!

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
21/04/2009 17:45

Dear Jack, re msg 46



"what a load of fuss about nothing"



If you REALLY think that then you must either be selectively / deliberately missing the point - re the surreal "dividing line"- or hoping the Cy problem won't effect you....



Thanks for starting off an interesting thread.