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tommy13


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I heard from a very good source in the turkish government , that Turkey are discussing a counter measure against the EU ruling for the orams case , heard it could be in form of a Turkey central bank gurantee given to egdeher title deeds , or some other move but nevertheless a countermeasure is being discussed , I will keep the board posted if any developments i hear about , Just please to some people , dont let the GC's burst your bubble and cause panic and worry , yes it may seem worrying but in the end it will be solved politically not civil , they just wanted to make a point of law by that case , There will be good news coming , be positive , TC is pregnant and will give birth to a recognised international state , but no one gives birth without the labour , we must endure the labour ,,, Good luck and heads up to all x



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tommy13 - could this have anything to do with the mysterious meeting that newlad refers to in the "Let's Debate" thread?



Thanks



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Tommy,

Make sure you keep us posted on developments.Maybe we could meet to discuss,i will be the one wearing the horne rimmed glasses and fake moustache,lol

G.



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lol.. to greylaq ,, hey wicks , just read nelads post , yes hes mentioned some points that have some relationship with what ive said



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Such a measure would certainly kick start property market and renew confidence.



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"TC is pregnant and will give birth to a recognised international state , but no one gives birth without the labour , we must endure the labour"



An excellent analogy though I say so myself.



Might I say just a few words on this matter?



Firstly my dears, remember, a pessimist is an optimist with a little experience.



However, remember one date:



October 2009. I'm dreadfully sorry I can't be any more specific.



Chin up now.



Best wishes,

Mrs Andrew



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Tommy mums the word mate.Seriously though i hope your hunch pans out as we could do with a boost in the North.



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Julie mess 6 the hills are alive with the sound of rumours.



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dear julie , an optimist is also a pessimist with Hope , lol .. october 09 hah ,, interesting that you make such a precise prediction !! does lemar sell one of them crystal balls u have ? interesting jules



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I hate to be Mr Negative but why would Turkey wait until things go against them with Orams before discussing a counter ?

Surely they would have had all angles covered in respect to any outcome, I find it hard to believe that they are only just talking about it......................the world has been talking about it for the last 2 years !



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Turtle,

Because they are Turkey and they can,

G.



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Polotics is like a turtle , it wears a shell and sticks its head in and out in reaction to certain events .



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This is fantastic news.



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I believe we need to keep the Orams case in perspective.



1. It is a 'test case' which has specific legal implications for the Orams family - and thereby creates a political stick with which the GC hopes to get a settlement more to its liking than that being currently discussed.



2. It specifically affects those who have bought exchange titles AND have assets in any EU country. If you have no assets in the EU it is pointless at this stage to worry!



3. It will require each original Greek owner to take their case to the courts in the UK or elsewhere in the EU. The process is time consuming and cotly.



4. Granted once the UK courts relook at the case in September / October 2009 - then a legal precedence will have been set. It will go back to the Court of Appeal and it is likely if either party don't get what they want they could appeal it to the House of Lords on the 'public policy' issue. The courts will even now ask the FCO for their opinion.



It's pure politics!



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Thanks for cheering us up Tommy - feel more positive already!



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thats what good citizens of trnc should do , cheer each other up , be civilised and positive and have hope , we are not the ones with the chip on our shoulder and neither the ones who started all this , the world should be informed that the reason for this mess was started by GC's when they decided they wanted Enosis ( union with greece ) and most still harbour the same view , that all Cyprus is a greek island and only they should have the sole legitimate right to rule ,,



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Tommy. Message 16. You are so right.



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Remember the Orams's are appealing the original Nicosia court decision at the ECHR citing that they never had enough time to mount a defence(which they didn't)

If the ECHR rule in the Orams's favour,the original verdict is nulls and void and the GC's claims fall down like a deck of cards as they are all based on the original ruling,hopefully the British law lords will take this into account.



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I totally agree that the Orams case is indeed a test of nerve for a lot of folkes.

Without doubt the immediate implication is a collapse in confidence for any new and prospective TRNC investors.

If Turkey or indeed the TRNC administration do have a counter measure then I do hope that they announce it very very shortly.

It is most certainly the GC factions that will waste no time in capitalising upon their political and legal advantage over the TRNC.

It is a shame that TRNC residents and investors that are from EU member states are victimised pawns in this unfortunate and sad situation.

My view is that Turkey will assist the TRNC in its political fight with the ROC. I fear that all the hard work towards a settlement will be drowned in a flood of litigation, mistrust and general divergence of the two sides.

It is absolutely essential that the TRNC is released from its shackles of deprivation and allowed to participate upon the world stage with vigor and enthusiasm.



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good one WAZ , i can tell you though that there are still lots of very large investors still going ahead with some sexy projects ,,, me and my middle east partners are still going forward with our planned projects



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1. What defence? 2.Their own lawyer Mr Gunes Mentes failed to enter an appearance in time even though he knew the time scales. 3. The ECJ doesn't think that they had an unfair trial. The Orams appealed to the Supreme Court in RoC without success.



Are they now appealing to the ECHR? This case has dragged on for 5 years. It's about time that the 2 governments sorted out a proper solution. It seems as if the result of this case has come as a complete surprise to both sides which is rather worrying..



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all politics , could be an EU ploy , to encourage and simply speed up the process of solution , quicken one side or another to make concessions and inderectly force an impetus towards those ends , its all polotics and will be solved poltically , in hindsight could be a blessing in disguise , could be the best thing thats happened , its hard to read between the lines , but between the lines is where the real motives lie



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rtddci, The writ served on the Orams's was written in Greek,by the time they had it translated and knew what it was and contacted a lawyer they had already been found guilty,a mere 2 weeks after the writ was served.Probably the fastest case ever gone through the RoC courts.



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Hi Tommy and Tommy and all Its very interesting reading your comments you seem to know a lot of what will happen and we can all get swept away with your outlook. Tommy do you have real proof. I know you say your investors are from the middle east are the looking to invest here. We hear so many rumours and to get a positive is wonderful. Please keep us all posted and turn the negatives into positive. Please dont discount Julie Andrews as she has so much knowledge. May I wish you all the best by reading what you intend to do here you have obvoiusly done your research and I hope and I pray you are right. If you want a grea sales and marketing manager then Im your girl xxx



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hey lilli , i think julie is great , highly literate and she possess a sound mind , i woul dnever discount her , ive only seen brief comments from her bu thats enought to see shes top drawer and an asset to trnc , proof were investing , sure , we have 2 big projects , one i wrote about in a post link here http://cyprus44.com/forums/14753.asp and this one is under constructio now http://www.ikontower.com

u can contact us from website , we will keep ur cv on file till when were ready to begin recruiting , thnx



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who changed the title to my post and why ,lol , not me !



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I know I frequently get accused of being a spelling Moderator, but it was not me.



I was tempted though.



Everytime I saw "Roumors", I stared at the Edit button.



Lem



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It was me. I kept looking at it and just had to alter it to the correct spelling



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Am I the only real mad one here? I WANT WORLD WAR THREE! That will sort the Queens Husbands relations!



Richard



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Sorry, it wasn't me - I altered the Rumour title. Has this thread title been altered?



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Hang on. Am I going mad - where's the Rumour thread gone?



tommy13


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it wasnt you lem , the forum admin , ? then who & why , not very fair , as it said 'Rumour has it .. not that 'turkeys counter ..........' thats misleading people , turning a roumur into a done fact , not fair on the readers here ........does anyone see my point , how its turned into some other meaning , and done in my name , to all is reading , my original title said 'Roumor has it ' as it was something i heard verbally from a reliable source , it has not materealised as of yet , but is being talked about at the highest level , that s not fair , has that happened to anyone else , i just joined couple days ago ... quite dissapointed with that behaviour , :(



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gooligan

"The writ served on the Orams's was written in Greek,by the time they had it translated and knew what it was and contacted a lawyer they had already been found guilty"



No they hadn't. They eventually found a Greek speaking NC advocate, Gunes Mentes on Friday 5th November 04. He said he would enter an appearance on the following Monday 8th November. For reasons that have never been explained, Mr Mentes didn't go to court until the Tuesday 9th November, also the day the court gave a default judgement.



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Curious and curiouser. The Roumor thread seems to have disappeared off into cyberspace.



Be aware, things are still twitchy after the recent attack on our Forum and this thread might have been seen to be possibly exacerbating things.



Don't judge us too quickly tommy13, normal service is not resumed too soon after an air raid.



You will have your say.



Lem



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hmm hah !! all sounds a bit fishy , what attack ? exacerbating , ? hah ,, u better give my 5 stars , that would make me happier , lol



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"You might as well be an optimist as opposed to a pessimist, as neither can affect the outcome.



It's just that the optimist has a better time waiting".



Unfortunately, not one of my own phrases, but something I remember watching from Grange Hill over 25 years ago!



Who says TV is a waste of time?



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Sorry tommy13, unless you are an undercover GC morse tapper, no can do.



Here's a selection of photo's from the most scariest roller coaster in the world, its in Ohio.



Guaranteed to make forget all about the Orams and make you wet yourself!



http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/Lemtich/image0071.jpg



http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/Lemtich/image0061.jpg



http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/Lemtich/image004.jpg



http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/Lemtich/image003.jpg



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http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa219/Lemtich/image008.jpg



Lem



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can i purchase any stars then ? joke ,, really would like atleast a theory to what happen to my title , what could have possibly happened ?



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Tommy 13 - why would Turkey - a nation of 70+ million be so concerned about a small landfill site with a population smaller than Rotherham?? We Brits tend to have an extremely distorted view of our own importance. As well as the importance of small landfill sites (dumps). Get real!!



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Krawpy, What's this "WE" do you have a mouse in your pocket???



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lol. Krawpy , historical polotics is not one of your specialist subjects no doubt , Why is turkey interested in Cyprus , probably the same reasons why the ottoman turks and a further around 15 other empires jostled over its dominance , Cyprus has one of the most complicated histories in the world, having been involved in many wars and battles over ownership of the Island. Why u ask , well its location in relation to the continents , military strategicness , east med supremacy , once he who controlled cyprus controlled the med , Oil , once a safe haven and base for the crusaders , turkey protesting its borders so it cannot be surrounded by enemies , TC's are turks and turks have assisted turks historically , turks number over 250 million people , the list could go on why cyprus is important to turkey and has been important to many powers throught its history ,, go to wikipedia , much info there , read , learn , educate yourself ... get real , understand



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and why do u refer to the place we live as a landfill dump . are you forced to be here , a fugitive , you may leave this dump for rotherham if u wish , sorry bro , not really trying to dig or offend thee , but your post didnt consider many facts ............ peace brother



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tommy13, message 22



I couldn't agree with you more. My sentiments entirely.



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cheers beejay ......... in years to come the Eu will want to join the IU , watch !!



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The IU = Islamic Union of which turkey will play a leading role ,,,,,



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Krapy, you think Turkey wants a Greek aircraft carrier stuck in her harbour?



Troodo.



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Aha, October 2009 - is that when the fabled 10 years expires then? The secret, secret signing of the agreement will solve everything I think.



tommy13


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this date keeps coming up , october 09 , could osmeone enlighten me please to what your refering to ?



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No offence Tommy13,.....but i agree with aceshigh....



been reading all your posts and you sound mighty enthusiastic with regards to TRNC at the moment when most of us are in panic mode!



So far you have mentioned:

Skyscrapers in lefkosa

Multimillion pound lesiure resorts in girne

And now a secret plan to counter the recent devastating EU legally binding ruling.



sorry to put a downer on things but you just joined this board and are promising the earth to some really worried and desperate people...who at this point will cling to any news that makes them feel better.



p.s...i see no pikey/juliet/mmmmm in any of your posts and they are usually the first to tear down anything positive regarding TRNC





Repro.



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worried and desperate people? what is there to be worried about?

Nothing is going to happen to your damn properties!

Most of the villas in Kyrenia are built in groups, on one plot. (Numerous number of villas built on one plot).

The TRNC government will not give the previous gc owner of the plot, 5 people's homes.

Let's assume that the TRNC government does give your property to the gc owner. They are not going to throw you onto the streets. They will give you the equivalent of what you had (most probablywith money), as paying YOU for a new property is much MUCH cheaper than the gov paying the GC owner compensation, including years and years of rent.

Let's not forget that the TRNC gov has the option of either giving the gc their land back, or paying them compensation instead of granting them their property rights, and so far out of 60 finished cases, only 3 have been given their properties back.

The orams case is different, as it is one home on one plot of land.



NOW STOP WORRYI



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Ace, speak for yourself, I'm not in panic mode. The Brits are at their best with there backs against the wall.

A few holiday home people are panicking, they will continue to do so until they come out for their few weeks, in the sun, and talk to the permanent residents. We have far bigger problems to contend with, crook builders and corrupted Ministers. A bit like the dark-side really, except we donít have so much crime and our kids can still play safely in the streets.



Troodo.



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hi aceshigh and reproman , thnx for responce , dont worry i have no exchange properties to sell , we are buying still though , the projects i mentioned are real and one has even started construction as of 3 days ago , and the stuff we are building is on exchange and theyre not for sale either , I thought by showing this news that it would make people happier in such times to see that there are those who stilll have confidence and are willing to put their money where their mouth is ,( i also posted it as a amrketing excersice to see what people want to see out there and so we may deliver a suitable product to the market ) i have no hidden agenda , and not trying to give people false hopes and sorry if i have done that , my humble apologies , I understand some people feel like theyve been kicked in the teeth , but i just aint one of them , and i neither will i accept that this imaginary day will come that we will be kicked out of our properties and investments etc , I



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I too am enthused by the response of Tommy 13.

I too am a realist. The economic climate in TRNC is tough,as it is across the world.

Without doubt, the political banter between the factions is not conjusive to economic growth and sucess upon the Island generally.

The ROC administration clearly view victory over the TRNC as an important vote winner and their actions in past months reflect this.

It is imperative that an Island settlement is achieved so that the potential for economic growth can be maximised.

The energy and resources wasted on the conflict only continues to hinder and damage progress generally.

Development projects such as that of Tommy would certainly thrive if the shackles of conflict were released.



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i simply believe in the future success of TRNC , as for this post , if u read through it , firstly someone changed my title , i did write ' rumour has it ' and i dont know why someone changed it to ' turkey counter measure etc ' i was preturbed by this because as u rightly said it changes the meaning of what i meant and gives false hope as if its a happened event and fact , what i simply wanted to do was by saying , ' rumour has it " i just wanted to let people know what i had HEARD from a collegue in AK party and also from A CEO of one of the major banks in TRNC , that there are such talks going on , and it seems a counter measure is on the cards , i humbly apologise if i offended or came over like a sales pitch , regards



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Waz , hi mate , actually the reason we are doing these projects because our international consultants and feasibility consultants have shown that such projetcs are highly profitable and would thrive even under the current circumstances , thats why we are investing otherwise it would be pointless , but yes your absolutely right under a settlement they would thrive 3 fold !!! and settlement will happen and the investments will thrive 3 fold , im not just an optimist but someone who has used proffessional resources to deem our investments viable and lucrative , I came here from Dubai , my investore are from that region , and i am a TC .. for the record ,



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do u expect me to apologise and say im sorry that were investing large sums and have belief and optimism about TRNC , u make me feel like as if i should be sorry about it and not share it with you guys ...!!



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sorry about spelling mistakes guys



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First heard about Oct 2009 around 18 months ago - serious rumour about a secret agreement with the "Powers" that the Cyprus problem would have to be solved by then or the USA would take a hand in matters and solve it for them. That was the first one. The second one was that the problem had already been agreed between all parties, including Turkey, and that the solution must be announced no later than Oct 2009 - this due to a long forgotten lease on some part of the Island held by yet another un-named country.



Personaly, I think the magical "10 Year" agreement is just a way for saying that everything will be solved "in the next 10 years" and that it is just so much smoke and mirrors! However, I would love to be proved wrong yet again.



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thnx waddo



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tommy

you confuse me a little in msg 56 you say you are a tc, but in another one of your threads you say you are a turkish mainlander? which is it to be plz?



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im british born and bred (London) mums mainlander, dads TC



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where did i say i was mainlander ? by the way



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tommy

so do you regard yourself as a turkish Cypriot from the island or full Turkish from mainland Turkey or a Brit ?



you also say you will bring in mainly foreign staff for you project in north cyprus? surely ALL your staff should be tcs as they are the ones that could do with the employment.



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hi cypwine , i knew that question was coming , lol ... I consider myself a british turk , i veiw turkishness in the broad turanian sense , i.e i identify with the 250million plus turks of the world , whom all turks are descended from the various tribes , Most turkish cypriots are original yoruk branch of turks , i myself have turkish cypriot , Tatar , circassian and arab lineages , many turks are mixed and not a pure race due to the various empires and there intermingling policies , seljuks , ottomans etc , we mixed in with the conquered peoples , anatolian turks and russian regions mixed with slavs , greeks , iranians etc eastern turks with chinese mongols indians , the most indegineous turks are probs the uygurs of xianyang province of china ( or east turkestan ) , theres no ethnic group called cypriot , ur either turk ,greek , or perhaps , maronite , armenian or jew , but no real cypriot ethnic group classification , I am simply turkish from the island of cyprus from my dads side



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and tatar turk and circassian from my mums , but being a born and bred britt , i just leave it simply as british turk ... and about staffing ,, i would love to give as many jobs to TC's as possible and i will try to do so ,, but infortunately they generally dont possess the level of quality and experience we are looking for to create a 5 star service enviroment at dubai or international 5 star levels , we will train those we feel have potential , unfortunately turks suck at service , there far to use to ruling people than serving them , hence in the hospitality sector there not known to excel ... but def we will try to employ as many as possible withough it affected the level of service we want to create



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thanks for your anwser tommy, but with all your knowledge wouldnt it be a good idea to set up a training center for tcs to learn,ie, service, catering, & customer service, if like you say your hotel project wont be ready for 18th months it gives the locals plenty of time to learn. or go to the university & seek out those locals who are studying the above mentioned.



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sorry all just realised i have gone of topic.



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yes cypwine , our hospitality management team will set up a human resources and training department and i want to bring in as many TC;s as possible and train them ,,, and will scour and headhunt the ones with potential , but even so we will need professional outsiders to fulfill many other positions and keep it top notch and maintain the level of service we want to provide.



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ROCK ON TOMMY.



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Tommy,



Apologies if i offened you in anyway, it wasnrt meant to be like that.

I too am a TC, and so far we have been mistreated and lied too by everyone from all sides. EU, UN, Britain, Greeks etc.



With so much uncertainity in the TRNC we simply dont know who to trust anymore.



Repro



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no offence taken repro , hold your head up high , march on ....



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Hey tommy I've only just joined this site but what excellent reading this thread has been. I have just moved here from Uk although have been coming over for a number of years. Although I came to retire - I hope we see advert's for employment at your leisure reort for local TC'S and foreigners. I'm trained as a hospitality trainer and I've been surprised and impressed to meet so many highly qualified people here.

I do think the local young TC's should get some extra help to obtain jobs in prestigious developments such as yours and as previously mentioned in this thread; the need for a TC training centre is a very good idea. All large companies in UK always sent their staff away for training on a regular basis. Investment in people is as importnat as invetment in infratructure etc.



Anyway - I as everyone else - wish you luck and all our support



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Hey Jeffers , thanks for your comments , ive sent you an email



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Was with board of directors of one bank yesterday , they told me the new government is planning some kind of guarantee for the banks enabling them to offer mortgages , to try and boost confidence and the construction sector.. just peice of interesting info ..



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sorry to interupt, tommy i just sent you email.



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