Did you buy your property after 20 October 2006

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:30

The UK government has published a website informing of the risks of buying property in northern Cyprus:

http://ukincyprus.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-cyprus/buying-property



In this page, it says that buying so-called illegal land is punishable by up to 7 year's jail, and even attempting to buy such land is punishable by up to 5 years jail!



From the website:

Under the amendment, buying, selling, renting, promoting or mortgaging a property without the permission of the owner (the person whose ownership is registered with the Republic of Cyprus Land Registry, including Greek Cypriots displaced from northern Cyprus in 1974) is a criminal offence. The maximum prison sentence is 7 years. The amendment to the law also states that any attempt to undertake such a transaction is a criminal offence and could result in a prison sentence of up to 5 years. This law is not retrospective, so will not criminalise transactions that took place before 20 October 2006.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:32

Could the TRNC government be sued for allowing this to continue. Thats serious

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:32

Worse still, because both crimes are punishable by more than 1 year's jail, a European arrest warrant can be issued, and someone accused of such a crime could be extradited from any EU member state.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_arrest_warrant

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:34

Lilli, that is absolute twaddle.

twaddle


Joined: 06/07/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:36

No it's not!!

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:38

Harlequin - read the website I posted. It's not gc propaganda, it's published by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office of the United Kingdom. Observe the URL, which ends in ".gov.uk".

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:46

So where does this leave people who purchased before 2006?

Harlequin


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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:47

Ozzie, you have a propensity to misunderstand what people are saying. I was not referring to your post I was referring to yet more meaningless nonsense from Lilli.

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:49

Well former gc owners still have civil remedy - like in the Orams case, they will have to pay compensation for demolishing, developing on, and occupying land that does not (in the opinion of the courts of the gc) belong to them. They just can't be stuck in jail for it (unless they refuse to comply with a court order, then they are in contempt of the court).

ozzieTC


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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:49

Harlequin - my apologies.

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:53

Problem being......jails are already full....perhaps NC is one big jail...will enjoy my 7 years stretch....full board?.



not sure why the statement is contridicting ( The maximum prison sentence is 7 years. The amendment to the law also states that any attempt to undertake such a transaction is a criminal offence and could result in a prison sentence of up to 5 years. )....so...which is it, and, will I get time added for very bad behaviour!





sooooo....who is coming to arrest me?

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:56

Will you not ever have to travel to an EU state to visit family, friends, or get medical treatment?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_arrest_warrant



The UK waiting 35 years for Ronald Biggs and he's now back in jail - the law has a long memory.

suntanman



Joined: 18/04/2007
Posts: 721

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 14:59

I'll see you all in jail then.

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:03

Funny....have been travelling in and outside the EU 4 / 5 times a year with no problem... has PP moved to sydney.?



ps OZ...I have heard that you live on stolen land...originally aboriginal land....perhaps you ought to give your home and the rest Sydney back?.

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:06

ozzie



you might as well just bang your head against the wall with some people on here!!! wait for the day all cypriots can rejoice at the final solution to this problem and then you can say "i told you so"

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:12

Stewie - never mind about my situation, your land ownership concerns are far more pressing. While the current round of negotiations are on-going, no one will bother you. But the goodwill won't last forever.

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:16

So Alice.....what do you deem as stolen land?.....Nc but not Australia, NC but not Israel, NC but not Apache land, NC but not Texas, NC but no areas in ROC



Would welcome your view on how you define stolen land.



Hopefully soon all can rejoice in the final solution...however, realistically, I do not think all will rejoice?

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:23

cypwine,



people who bang their head on the wall are known as "head bangers"

as regards any "final soution", this has been tried once before in europe



nevertheless I am sure these timely warnings from ozzie

will result in a crescendo of thuds in both trnc and britain,

as expat purchasers engage in a mass falling-off of chairs



next on the hit list would be 100,000 turkish settlers

though you might not find them quite as accomodating as british pensioners



and if stavros and his merry men consider going walkabout in north cyprus,

I trust they will not forget the seven years in jail for serving non-trnc writs

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:24

It doesn't matter how I define stolen land, every square metre of inhabitable land on the earth was taken from someone by someone in history. The issue is that there is a definite and somewhat powerful legal authority that (rightly or wrongly) defines the land some people in the TRNC are living on as stolen.



Anyway, I am not here to argue with you, or debate the morality of all this, I am simply passing on some pertinent and hopefully useful information I came across. I would derive no pleasure in seeing people lose their property and money. One thing that will give me great joy is to see a fair settlement of the Cyprus problem, and to see my people take a rightful share of their homeland.

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:26

Dear Oz....please do not concern yourself with my landownership...I sleep well, please sleep well yourself.



My property is in the name of a Russian....I do not see the EU having any say over Russian affairs / politics...besides..the way the ROC is being very cosy with the Russians ( no doubt for their Gas and Oil flows ) who will upset them by saying you are on stolen land, thus creating a diplomatic storm.



What about the many Russians purchasers...no GC has dared bring action against them?..

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:30

Dear Alice / Oz....excuse my muse....it is the British sense of humour...without that, I would be old and grey.

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:31

Why would the gcs go after hard legal targets like the Russians when they can go after Brits and have the EU courts do the work for them?



The headaches for non-EU buyers will come if the Cyprus problem is settled.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:33

Perhaps the TC’s, Turkey and their friends should come up with a similar law against the GC’s. It would be just as easy to pass as it was in the South. Not that I am applying the South is biased of course.



Troodo.

By the way ozzie. your mother must be proud of you.

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:35

Non eu buyers....like Turks you mean?



Q....why does the ROC not give all pre 74 land back to TCs, then say....right..now we want out land back in the north?

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:36

I don't understand what it is I am supposed to have done such that my mother would be ashamed of me. Do you care to say it out aloud rather than just mincing words?

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:38

It's actually possible (but not easy) for a TC to reclaim land in the south. My family owns such land, we know that we can reclaim it one day.

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:40

dear Oz....you imply that old, frail english pensioners are easy targets...whereas those who could stand up for themselves should be left alone....shame on you

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 15:51

Re message 8 And you Sir , have a propensity towards rudeness . It was an innocent question ! if you don't know something you ask . One would never learn anything if it were down to people like you with your flippant retorts

Simbas

Ps , Please remember Rule 3

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 16:01

ozzietc,



what do you think about the 100,000 turkish settlers protected by turkey's powerful army?

do you believe the growing number of russian home-owners will be easily scared off?

are you really on our north cyprus forum to be helpful to people rather like mary poppins?

is peter andre a mate of yours?



I think we should be told

coolkid


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 64

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 16:37

the TRNC changed the land to all freehold or leasehold i am told do not differentiate from pree 1974 now so all property biught in good faith with TRNC legal system accepted by Turkey so cant see the problem

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 17:52

oh Well looks like i be eating porridge with korenia estates and the rest of them, come and get me im all yours.



Christ the prisons are going to explode with all these people being arrested, going to have to build more prisons i think.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 18:40

Cricky, does that mean that the ones that bought before 2006 wont have to go to jail!! dasterdly and muttly, and lots of other swear words, and I thought I was going to have a holiday in jail!!!!!!!!!!!,.

Just to put a possssative note in, I dont think Turkey will agree with what the Greeks ask for, so go on every one enjoy your homes/holiday homes, the sunshine, the way of life. Dont always look to the glooooom, we get enough of that in the U.K.! lol



Cricky I dont like porridge, thought they got menus now, sh:t thats awfull, how could they.

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 19:06

Another EU / ROC law against TRNC......they use it to their advantage this EU membership dont they!!

laws get changed all the time, why dont you wait and see what happens, surely both sides have chance for unity, but ROC dont want to know, i rekon in doing this, oppressing the TC folk is playing into TRNC hands!!

This is a TRNC website, so why does everyone scaremonger?

lifes too short....

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 20:10

ozzie message1



Why does that make you happy?









Dont get excited , nobody is going to jail.





If they were ,would it be in UK or in ROC.

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 21:33

ozzie mess1

they dont get 7yrs for murder in britain,do it standing on me head.get a life

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 23:15

Simbas



Please remember Rule 3

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 23:25

Harlie I learn so much on here fro 6ms AJ DC all different view points. I am so sorry Im not that bright but they do teach me so much. I asked if the government knew could they be sued. You constantly have a pop yet I do not know you. Simbas was just reminding you as they have come across your scathing comments before. I agree you have a problem with me. Thats your fault not mine but please never distract from the subject being discussed by intellegent people. Thank you x

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 10:42

Lille,

Do you not realise that these people are paid provocateurs’. They seem to appear on any thread and change it to their own agenda. This takes a serious amount of time, so they cannot possibly have any proper job. Before anyone suggests that even the GC’s would not stoop so low, remember that they pay out extraordinary amounts of money all over the world – including Australia – on their propaganda.



Troodo.

jonnyconcrete


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 13:06

Hi all, The way i see it is, the south are now getting concerned about the growth on the north, programs like on ITV last week are just trying to put people off to keep the north down. Lets all keep pumping our money into the north, the more purchases made the better. How can it be fair that the Gc's sit on land in the south but also say "oh by the way we want that land in the north aswell" only because it is growing! if nothing was happening in the north the Gc's would'nt care less about the DARKSIDE (lol) they would happerly sit laughing on there expensive land.



To all concerned on the north with homes or holiday homes my advice is SPEND! SPEND! SPEND! lets give them some revenue to play with.

jonnyconcrete


Joined: 17/03/2009
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 23:13

I think its such a shame that an island as nice as cyprus is like this, we have met both sides Tc's and Gc's which we found to be warm welcoming people. I suppose which ever side you talk to they will both have their version of events and reasons for holding onto what they think is theirs, but surely if the two sides were to move on and work together this would benefit the island as a whole...maybe the last thing the Turk/Greek cypriots want is all our comments about how their island should be, afterall non of us were there at the time of conflict to see what they all went through.



All I know is Cyprus is a fantastic island lets hope we all move forward in peace together

Katushka1


Joined: 19/05/2009
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 23:37

Re Message 1 - "This law is not retrospective, so will not criminalise transactions that took place before 20 October 2006." Can someone please explain to me whether the statement means that if you undertook to buy and signed a contract before 20 October 2006 you are safe, or whether it means that if you had taken possession of your property and had the title deeds by that date you are OK?

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 23:46

Katushka1

Please do not worry it is all Greek Cypriot propaganda.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 23:49

katushka don't play their game

they can't ever get back north cyprus but they hope to screw up cyprus 44

very little is likely to happen to you!

and should they ever pop up in north cyprus like they do on the forum

they may expect a lengthy jail term

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
11/06/2009

re 29 ,Andre_514





>>what do you think about the 100,000 turkish settlers protected by turkey's powerful army? <<





Ooops.. I don't think we are supposed to admit there are so many mainland Turks planted in "TRNC"..



>>do you believe the growing number of russian home-owners will be easily scared off?<<



Da, Koneshno.. ( Yeah, right !..) ..compared to the "rump" RoC - it has a LONG way to grow, and most Russians seem to prefer living in the "orthodox part".. and YES.. they are.. they know they can't cross north to south - unless they arrive via Larnaca and that their govt ( rightly or wrongly) "supports" the GCs over TCs



>> is peter andre a mate of yours? <<



Poor Pete.. was has he got to do with this? ;)

Wireless


Joined: 10/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 00:06

On 20 October 2006, an amendment to the Republic of Cyprus criminal code relating to property came into effect.



Who gives a s**t about republic of Cyprus criminal code? This is a law made in the republic of Cyprus which considering most of Larnaca airport is built on Turkish land is laughable.



The GC's operate on the same bass that my wife does, what's mine is mine what's yours is also mine

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 00:08

Privet Katushka1 !



re msg 41



The link to the British govt website is true - Eto pravda!



But.. we have yet to see the govt of the Rep of Cyprus arrest anyone and charge them.. I believe Russians are MORE likely to be a target than EU citizens - if the RoC govt decides to "make an example" of some folk..



Just over a year ago some Russian speakers returning south with literature concerning North houses were arrested, but not charged..



AJ re msg 42



Since when has Her Majesty's govt been a vehicle for "GC propaganda" ? Did you ever edit "Pravda" back in Soviet times ;) ?

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
11/06/2009 00:16

Mark



You might be suprised at just how many Russians are in the North we have been there are loads Vinera and I have been quite suprised...

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
12/06/2009 16:39

as regards russians in north cyprus ok there are relatively few as yet

but with you boys mark working overtime to scare off the original brits

russians are quite noticeable among new buyers



having such a huge presence on the south side they are discerning people looking for value

and are increasingly aware of the charm, beauty and appeal of the north



also they are totally untouchable as far as euro-mickey-mouse courts are concerned

andre 514


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Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
12/06/2009 19:21

a deafening silence

ilovekibris


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Posts: 394

Message Posted:
12/06/2009 19:26

andre wrote: "having such a huge presence on the south side they are discerning people looking for value and are increasingly aware of the charm, beauty and appeal of the north."

It's so hard sell Greek houses in the TRNC these days, eh? ;)

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
13/06/2009 01:20

I agree with you i.l.k. there are 100% greek (cypriot) houses...



in practice these houses are also 100% the houses of their present owners

some of the "houses" are just holiday flats built on wasteland

some of the proper houses are now owned by 2nd generation turkish immigrants



I apologise for my bluntness but they, their dogs and the turkish army

will see your people off every time, whenever you decide cypriot history began



I feel uncomfortable about the whole controversy:

not because any of us have really done anything to your lot,

by general agreement some of your own hotheads brought this on yourselves



no, I feel uneasy because, for all the idle twitter about a re-unification deal

there will only ever be one when both sides accept

something in between "crumbs" and "the whole bloomin' cake factory"



will that ever happen? I think not:

trying to spread alarm and despondency on a little forum

ain't gonna work the magic is it?