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daisy dukes


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Will panneling work in a cypriot house? I know i can't use wallpaper as it will probably fall off, but would it be ok to use wooden dado pannelling, and approx how much is it sold by? Also, can i buy it in NC...?



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Oh come on......someone must know!!



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daisy



what surface are you thinking of sticking the panels to ,brick, plaster , render , block work stone , if so are the surfaces painted some more info required and maybe i can reply to installtion quiery but not supply one as i dont live there so dont know local builde mecrchants.



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DD....do you mean will it work from a taste aesthetic?



Panelling?....you may get away with it.



Mock tudor beams.....don't go there !



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if you are talking of tanking out this can work in certain situations depending on the degre of damp and the finish each place will have to be evaluated but this is not cheap and can in certain situations cause more problems than the cosmetic problems it will cover



daisy dukes


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Right.....i would like to stick the panelling to plastered painted walls...these walls are all stud work, about a 1/2 inch away from natural wall, so no damp whatsoever. (i don't plan on mock tudor beams rofl)

I'm not doing this to cover any problems, i just want to cosy up the place, and as wallpaper is not viable, i thought i'd try panelling, as i think it looks rather nice in small houses...(my house is kinda twee)



So, all you clever folk....what advice can you give me...



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One word of caution, daisy,

Anything fixed to, or adjacent to the walls that impedes the flow of air past the surface is liable to result in MOULD, particularly if there is any trace of damp...

My advice?

DON'T DO IT!



daisy dukes


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Keithcaley...the walls that would be panelled do not touch any outside walls, so air flow would not be a problem....and i have no trace of damp in the house at all...does this sound more viable?



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daisy



wall paneling to plaster painted walls can easily be stuck on with gripfill which is applied with a mastic gun usually approx 3 per tube and goes a long way.



there are many products with a similar mame that do just the same job , stixhall, sticks like s*it believe it or not thats what they called it, unibond , dowcorning , many more too many to list.



if you are doing any work on the interior walls make sure you dont cover any vent grills which could restrict air flow.



also dont forget to measure up for the sockets faces take in to account you might need longer socket screws as the paneling will add extra depth with from the back box.]



have done something similar with artex product wall panels and the effect is fantastic seamless joints between panels and matching dado rail to sit ontop to finish it off, these are diffcult to do and get a perfect finish lots of tedious work involved but worth while when you see the finished article.



any probs dont hesatite to a



daisy dukes


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ooooo, sweep, you have made my day!! Can i get these products in NC...and do you know what sort of price the wood works out at? thank you



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DD- why do you say wallpaper is not an option?



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daisy,

If the house is well ventilated, then there shouldn't be any signs of damp.

It's when you reduce the airflow over the surface that the problem may become apparent.

Cypriot house do not have damp proof courses as we generally think of them in UK, due to being in an earthquake zone (you dont want the house walls to have an artificially introduced horizontal 'break' in them, with the top part sitting on a 'slidey' membrane! - well, not during an earhquake, you don't...) and interior walls are also liable to suck up moisture from the ground below, although you might never notice it, given adequate ventilation.

Sorry about the length of that sentence!

I would take some expert advice from the likes of 'Mr Fixit' (Cyprusactive) before embarking on this - he might recommend incorporating discreet ventilation vents in the panelling for instance, or he might have other ideas...

Keith.



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Keith, thank you for enlightening me on the reason DPC's are not installed in Cyprus. I had thought it was just another example of poor building standards.



daisy dukes


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Twoexpats...i believe you cannot use wallpaper because of the humidity...it will simply fall off...



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There are various other methods that can, should be, and sometimes even ARE used, with various degrees of success

A partial dpc can be inserted in the brick infill between the pillars of new builds, most commonly a single sheet of tar paper is used which is not very effective -there are much better materials- and unfortunately this is usually plastered over on the inside & rendered over on the outside, bridging the dpc & making it ineffective

Another method is 'tanking' - a sheet of bitumen based material is laid so as to cover the wall & adjacent base, in & out, before the floor/paving is laid, & before plastering/rendering

This material is heated to soften it and make it stick

Obviously the care taken in doing this is critical to its success

Method 3 is to dig the hole for the foundations & line it with 2 layers of plastic sheeting (Visqueen) to stop rising damp. Rarely used!

Little care is taken in maintaining the integrity of any of these measures even when they are used...



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msg 15....all this for putting up a bit of pretty panelling?



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LOL daisy,

Sorry, I got a bit carried away replying to twoexpats!

It would make it rather an ambitious project, wouldn't it?



daisy dukes


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lol..yes it would....i don't think my DIY skills are quite up to that...i'm not even sure if i can do the panelling, but i'm up for a challenge....but your help and advice is priceless...to someone who knows what you're on about!!



DD



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My gut feeling is to agree with Keith



In the Cyprus climate, any extra additions to the walls is likely to cause some form of problem in the future - they are easy to put on, no so easy to remove !



Why not get a couple of nice Turkish carpets and hang them on the walls ? They'll cosy-up the place, and if you get fed-up with them you can use them on the floors



Mark



daisy dukes


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I had turkish carpets when i was a teenager...i thought i'd try something a bit more sophisticated now...hehehe



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MarkVPiazza


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I'm speachless



keithcaley



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speechless, even...



daisy dukes


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hehehe....somehow i'm guessing this may be a first for you Keith...? hehehehehe...



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CasaCoco


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DD - Speaking as an interior designer, if you have airconditioning in your house especially the room you wish to put wallpaper on, and you are living in the house all the time (as opposed to just holidaying in it) then I see no reason why you cannot put wallpaper on the wall.



I used to live in the Algarve, and had wallpaper on some of the walls. I never had any problems. You just need to make sure the wallpaper paste is not too thin so that it will stay on the wall. Good quality pastes usually have anti-mould properties in them anyway. How about just putting wallpaper on a feature wall, instead of doing the entire room?



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CasaCoco...i do not have air conditioning, but then the walls of my house are so thick i don't really need it, and thanks to all the stud work i dont have damp either, but i am told that wall papering is really just not an option.......due to humidity........sadly....



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I was never one for 'rules'! I would be inclined to try one wall with paper. Put a good quality paste on it and if it is pasted thoroughly and hung properly you will probably find it will work ok. The Algarve was damp in the winter and humid in the summer but as I said, I never encountered any problems. If you don't try, you'll never know...



CasaCoco


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Problems tend to arise when the house is only being used as a holiday home from time to time, whereby the house is closed up and not getting any ventilation. If you live in the house 24/7, I really don't think you will have too much problem.



On the other hand, how about pasting paper onto a board and fixing that to the wall? You can also get fabrics to match a wallpaper so you could use fabric instead, it would look just as good?



daisy dukes


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That's what i said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But friends told me not to....especially as i found gorgeous paper at BnQ....they said i'd be wasting my money....flippin ek.....too many darned choices...now what, panelling or paper....?????????????



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CasaCoco


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Haha, oh dear, a bit of a dilema. That's the problem when you put out a question to a forum! Perhaps your friends were... jealous?



The thing is, if you paper one wall and it only lasts a year, at least you'll know and you'll have only wasted paper on one wall. But it could last a whole lot longer. As long as it well pasted and hung properly and isn't just slapped on the wall in a slapdash sort of way, I really can see no reason why you can't do it. It may be humid outside, but inside your house should be fine as long as you keep it well ventilated.



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daisy



if you wait for this thread to finish wallpaper will be out of fasion again



you will be back to painting !!



only kiddin have fun.



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Message 29



'well pasted and hung properly'



I am surprised Negative Nick did not pick up on that statement.



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I won't be getting well pasted waiting on AJ to go for a pint..........



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good for hiding damp problems but niot recomended



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We have put wallpaper borders about halfway down the walls in several rooms in order to break them up a bit. Very high celings here. Two of these borders have been in place since 2001 & another came later. We live here all the time, but are not particularly fussy about ventilation in the winter. Too cold to let out what heat we have (No CH). The borders are still in place although the edges have loosened a tiny bit in places & have been re-stuck with a good border adhesive (Poly I think). One of the borders was purchased in Girne & there is a wallpaper shop near the Bellapais traffic lights RH side when driving out of Girne towards New harbour.



I'm not sure that the heat isn't the major problem with adhesives here. Would a border or wallpaper stay stuck on in the UK. indefinitely? In my experience - No.



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AJ - trust you to mince my words , but I do now see the funny side although it was not intentional - honest sir!



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I have something different in our old Cypriot house. Tiles. Yes, the walls have all been tiled. Took a bit of getting used to at first, but now really like it. Not your normal shiny bathroom tiles, but tiles with grooves and patterns and "things". Really very cosy mixed with full length curtains. A bit like being in a cave. Also no need to paint the walls anymore, so that's a bonus. They've been up for 1 1/2 years and no problems. Stella



daisy dukes


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Interesting Stella......not sure it would be my cup of tea, perhaps it's something that needs to be seen...



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well what about this make a frame of say 2x1 fill with a thinish sheet of ply then past your wall paper to the ply

You will have a wallpaper panel

The wall will still be able to Breath

just an idea



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