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proger1



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I really am sorry if I will upset anyone with this message but I have been in communication with Unwins regarding several things involved with my families arrival in North Cyprus and I have to say that everything was the most professional detail that I could ask for.

It seems to me that there is a huge vendetta against Unwins on here which really disappoints me but then I have realised that too many people use this Forum to try to destroy other people without any proof. I for one would rather believe the people I meet than those who insult from behind a keyboard. The most successful real estate agent in North Cyprus and a government controlled school that has had UK standard graduates is obviously managing to do the job they claim to do, Only my opinion but I will stick with them until something better comes along. All I can suggest is don't be bitter, Be real ale and happy at least until the hangover sets in !!!



AlsancakJack



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proger1

You don't know what you are about to start off



dodger



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Best stop this one now Jack,

Paul.



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proger1



TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT APPEARS OVER YOUR POST.



How would you feel if you had been advised to buy at ameranta or one of the other sites by a company only to find out they did not act with due diligence ?



proger1



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I am not trying to do anything AJ, just wondering what comments might be positive for a change. I can see that 20 odd people read the post but you were the only poster. I like to think along the line s of be fair or be silent



ginty


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I agree. I bought through unwins and there has been no problems with them, I get regular updates and their service has been very professional.



proger1



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Dodger, seems fair if you think it is.

Nige, I have heard bad comments about your services but I am willing to give all a chance



AlsancakJack



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Nige

Message 4

Have you a personal grudge against Unwins or have you just become a 'champion of the people'?

Don't forget to wear your 'Superman' thong.



TheSaints



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17/06/2009 23:16

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Paul



We agree, we bought through Unwins and had no problems at all, quite the reverse, complete professional service and would recommend them to anyone.



AlsancakJack



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Mike

As an aside, are you back in the UK now?



TheSaints



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AJ



Will flick you an email......



Lemtich



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Message 9. I have to concur with your comments, it was my experience also.



I especially appreciated their after sales service with Lyndon who sorted out myriad snaggings with the property.



Incidentally, I have never met Hayran or Mark Unwin whenever I met with Unwin staff, either at their office or at a site.



I can't comment on any other aspect of members' postings including Sunnylane School as I have no



knowledge of it.



Lem



rod28


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18/06/2009 07:27

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Paul , i bought through Unwins and had no problems. Peter was very very helpfull. Again just my experiance/view.



kiwikid


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I'm another happy customer, Pete helped with everything, also let us know what problems the apartment had with deeds. And gave us the cash to pay the old water and electric bills. I can't comment on Sunny lane as I have dealings with the school, but as I do know Miss Gillian I do hope the rumors are not correct. Will find out soon I sure.Angela



cyprusairsoft



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nothing wrong with the unwins and as for rob roy he is super and you will all agree or we will be round to see you with concrete slippers



cronos


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Msg 15.....who is "we" ?



TheSaints



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cronos said Msg 15.....who is "we"



He has a mouse in his pocket ;-)



kofaliking


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we r also renting through unwins, with no problems at all.. They help you out with any problem. Would recommend them to anyone.



girne


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Roger we will speak again in 6 months!!!!!



fire starter


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24/06/2009 10:56

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we purchased with unwins and had no problems at all.

many people have had problems with them though and i believe they do have a right to reply, which this forum dislikes as unwins is one of their advertisers.



tonyf


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Speak as you find - an excellent company in all my dealings. I think you will find many estate agents including those in GB having occasionally picked up "bad press".



tattlad


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All I can say say is this, they've been a very professional in all my dealings with them, and I would have no hesitation in using them again.



kofaliking


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Yeh unwin estate agents are excellent. We got our house through them and they were very professional and helped us with every little problem that arised.



Would recommened them to anybody looking for an estate agent in NC.



karsiyakasal


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As you say, speak as you find.... we boughht through Unwins, as did our 3 neighbours way back in 2005 and have all had way too many problems to mention. It appears our contracts literally were not worth the paper they were printed on and each time our builder has broken them Unwins have given us no support whatso ever. The only advice they did give us was to go and see our solicitor which was a no starter as they are also solocitors for our builder. (What fun)

However as so many of you are giving more positive feed back from more recent dealings lets hope lessonss have been learnt (they certainly have by us) and used to improve the service - it would apper so.

We all deserve a second chance I say.



TheSaints



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msg 25 said



"The only advice they did give us was to go and see our solicitor"



That was the correct advice, if the builder is in breach of contract there is nothing the agent can do it is up to you and your legal representative to sort it out.



harita


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The only advice they did give us was to go and see our solicitor ... they are also solocitors for our builder ...

Message 25 ... Who do you think wiould come up smelling of roses ???? ... Think about it ..



tonyf


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Unwins definitely gave the correct advice, but obviously using the same solicitor as the builder could cause a "conflict of interest". I do not know any other country where you would be advised to do this. However, if the Solicitor is bona fide then hopefully they would see the problems from both sides and act fairly for both parties.



If this has not happened then perhaps it is time to seek another lawyer.



Brinsley


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Bona fide and Advocate (solicitor) are at the opposite ends of the spectrum! It's a contradiction in terms!



Richard



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Proger

This is a company who have learned through their mistakes!!!!!!! 5 years ago our complaint they did not want to know about,

but Mrs Unwin the first time we met her give the best piece of advise which i will not repeat as somebody on Cyprusforum (darkside) quoted me on about 2 weeks ago.



MikeWilson


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I don't see a vandetta going on against Unwins, i for one have had the worst experiences ever when dealing with these people - i would never consider using them again & would certainly not recomend them, not even to my worst enemy.

In my experience (a very bad one) they have no idea about customer care, satisfaction or who their 'customers' actually are - i'm very surprised they have any customers left!!!!



ustwo


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We bought through Unwins 9 years ago,we didn't have any problems but only because we kept our eye on the ball.They tried to bamboozle us but we were a little cleverer than they thought we were.



Brinsley


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Look at the type of cars they drive. Tells its own story!



Richard



Jeannie


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Well, have posted this before and will do it again.



We had nothing but first class service from Unwins.



This was ablout 4 year ago - and certainly couldn't fault them at that time.



J



keithcaley



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Brin,

Do you mean that they have a well-run, successful business?



berkeh2001


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i think unwins are the worst agency (if you can call them an agency ) in the whole of cyprus , i would not recommend them to anyone this is not a hate campaign against them but they haven't got a clue of what they are doing , all they do is take people's money and shaft the rest of us



Kibris


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Berk would you care to elaborate on your inane outburst? its like me saying " I think Berks crap at installing satellite dishes and his water tanks are rubbish too!" without substantiating your twaddle with facts you make yourself look foolish and vindictive!



dozza67


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Peter has now been sacked/left??? He tried to set up his own agency and the night before he opened his windows had a brick through them. Pete's partners car was set on fire. No names, just draw your own conclusions.



They have always recommended their own solicitor to their clients.



britvic



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I don't think I need say anything as my dealings with Unwins are well documented, for those of you who haven't seen any of my posts about them, it was not a good experience.



Vicki



TheSaints



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We purchased through Unwins, we had nothing but 100% Honesty, Professional Atitude and excellent service and nearly 1 year after purchase of our place which I may add we are highly delighted with we still get the odd follow up email from Unwins just asking how we are etc. Mark, Hayran and thier staff have a good attitude to thier customers, well they have had with us and we can not fault them, thier service from start to finish was excellent and thier after sales service shows they do care and they do want you to be a satisfied customer.

Some people forget you can not blame the agent for everything, an agent is just a middle man a deal maker a broker nothing more they put buyers and sellers together, you buy through them not from them.

Thank you Unwins for a Brilliant service and we would not hesitate in recommending them to anyone who wanted a 100% professional company to deal with.

Unwin bashing posts are really getting tiresome, Success really does breed contempt in some people..



berkeh2001


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re msg 37 kibris first you should take a look in the mirror and you will see who looks ( foolish and vindictive ) as i said this is not a hate campaign against unwins . concerning my tanks and sat systems my work speaks for it self i cannot see one person complaining about my work .but there are a lot of people who complain about the unwins as far as i am concerned i have freedom of speech like everyone else i can say what i want ,when i want if any one has a problem with that tough sue me



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Msg 31, MikeWilson: (...) I don't see a vandetta going on against Unwins, (...)



=> Strange - I have a feeling I do. You joined only yesterday, picked up an old post from August 5 this year and in only your second post on this board you join the Unwin bashers. Errrm...



And more. Why are so many complaints about the Unwins undocumented? "I had a bad experience" is not exactly convincing to objective readers - nor does it give the Unwins a fair chance to reply. P.S. I didn't buy or sell via Unwins and I have no children at Sunnylane School. I only think that they are not always treated fair.



keithcaley



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berkeh2001,

I'm prepared to listen to you.

What dealings have you had with Unwins in which they fell short of the standard that you felt you were entitled to expect? - and in what way did they fall short?

I don't suppose for one minute that your post was prompted simply by the unsubstantiated, undocumented complaints of other posters - as a well known and respected local businessman, I expect that you are speaking from personal experience about things that you can vouch to be 100% true and accurate.

So, as I said, I'm listening - please give us the details.

Best regards,

Keith.



keithcaley



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Hi berkeh2001,

I thought that I'd just nudge this back to the top in case you hadn't seen it.

I would be really interested to know what terrible things Unwins did to you - and I expect that a lot of other people are also interested.

With you being a well known businessman, I'm sure that your story will carry a lot of weight, unlike those anonymous people who post complaints but then never back it up with facts.

So come on, spill the beans!



Brinsley


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Keith Msg 44



Correct, berkeh2001 is another email 'flasher'!



Richard



minertor



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I would like to comment on the Unwins saga. It may be slightly controversial for this site.

Never having had any personal dealings with the Unwins, I don't think I have the right to comment on anything to do with them.



berkeh2001


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brinsley you don't even know me calling me an email flasher go and play with yourself in your little world subject closed i haven't got the time to argue



minertor



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eebahgum Brinsley, yer got a fan, pity berkeh2001 seems to be playing hard to get.



minertor



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update on berkeh2001 Richard, put the aftershave away, checked the M.I., it's a geezer. Yeah I know, but hang on, you know how it is, you wait for ages then two come long, together.



StGeorgeI


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Mr and Mrs. Unwin have done a fantastic job in setting up Sunny Lane School and, despite rumours of the teachers not being treated particularly well, the School still seems to be doing well. And no-one can deny that they are successful business people on the island – but it does seem that it is at the sake (and heartache) of others!



I’m sure (in fact I know) that they have some happy clients, but I feel this is more down to the good staff as appose to the good owners.



But, if you really think that these people have changed their work ethics then think again:



Casa Construction or Aspire trading (Cafer ??) have ripped of hundreds of clients over the last 6 years and Unwins sold most of their properties. After all the problems these poor people have had you would think Unwins would have learnt their lesson – NO... Unwins are still actively pushing their properties:



tbc...



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cont...



http://www.unwinestates.com/info.php?id=196&location=any&bedrooms=any&type=any&school=&garden=&shops=&station=&rentmin=any&rentmax=any&salemin=any&salemax=any&propstat=Sale&t=



This Santa Fe development (Turtle Bay Beach) has been stopped for 2 years at just concrete stage whilst many of the purchasers have been asked to move to a lesser property, for more money, in Lapta/Alsancak. It should have been finished 18 months ago – Unwins know this, but are still actively pushing this development:



http://www.unwinestates.com/info.php?id=457&location=any&bedrooms=any&type=any&school=&garden=&shops=&station=&rentmin=any&rentmax=any&salemin=any&salemax=any&propstat=Sale&t=



They are probably not alone – but you would think, with all the bad press they have had over the past 5 years, that they would being trying to distance themselves from ‘problem properties’ – apparently not!



chezzi


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My experience with Unwins was a nightmare, we had a very lucky escape due to some strong "gut" feelings and listening to rumours. We were buying an AGA villa through them in 2004. Design was a pencil drawing done by their agent in the office, which was nothing like what came through on the contract, 3 times the contract was re-drawn each time with different specs, we could not actually establish what we were buying.

We confronted rep with "gossip" and stories about Unwins, but this was dismissed, in sprite of their being an active web site set up at the time by people who had been treated extremely badly by them.

In the end we decided not to pursue the purchase, luckily for us.

VERY LUCKY!

The villa we were buying remains a concrete founadtion block 5years on, on a site with no permission, more villas squeezed on than were origianally planned on a small site in Karmi, a while back they all had demolition notices on them.



chezzi


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Several other owners of these villas have paid up to £100,000 so far for their empty shells, with no chance of them ever being finished or getting their money back.

We also looked at Amaranta, and were being constantly reassured by Unwins, all was ok. They were agreeing to anything we asked for in the contract verbally, probably to get us to pay up quickly, so this just made us think the rumours were correct. We also did some research on Gary Robb and that was it, we listened to those "gut" feelings and opted out.

Thank god!



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Chezzi:



Good for you - even through careful deliberation, you've had a lucky escape!



Obviously, buying 'off-plan' is only for the 'brain-dead' - that's the rule North or South!



I know it's 'not nice', but the best advice seems to be: take advantage of someone else's misfortune and, to be as safe as possible, buy a resale with all ammenities and PTP/Kocan.



chezzi


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Thanks Tenakoutou,

I totally agree with buying a completed villa only wiht PTP/Kocan ready, we also looked at NCP are still just another pile of concrete blocks.



In the end we rented a holiday villa on a completed site, and were impressed with the quality of build and professionalism of the developers and bought a completed villa on the same site, directly from them.



Our developer didn’t market their villas until they were finished, electricity and water was connected and the land partitioned so this all helped make our decision.

Apart from a few outstanding snagging issues, compared to some, it has been relativley stress free!

C



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Chezzi: I trust your villa has planning/building permission!?



Is it on 'Ech' land?



For the benefit of potential buyers who may be searching for a hassle-free deal, would you care to divulge the name/company/contact details of your developer?



chezzi


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Yes it has all permission, PTP granted etc, it is exchange land,

Potential buyers who may be interested in developer can contact me direct. for more info.

C



robinhood


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So what you are saying ST George, is that Unwins still push these properties knowing that they will never be built, even 2 years after Santa Fe stopped working on the site..



This is shocking news, why are Unwins still able to ply their business in North Cyprus, they should be closed down for good.



MikeWilson


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Msg 41 To the Dutchcrusader

Why should i give these people a chance to reply or try to justify themselves when they have had there chance to put things right ample times, but only make things worse by telling lies & trying to cover things up. The best thing i can do is let other people know i've had these very bad experiences in the hope that they don't make the same mistake as me in using these 'Cowboys'.



Yes i am new on Cyprus44 & wish i'd seen what people on here have to say before i'd put my money & trust into Unwins, but you live & learn!



kimig1


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Well, congratulations to all you fans of Unwins. I can only say that things must have changed since we bought, in 2004.



Oh, they didn't do us much harm,(apart from telling us that the villa was finished, whereupon we packed up our UK jobs and came out, to find, when we arrived, that the place still had no roof, nor stairs, and then had to rent for 4 months, which had never been in our budget) but they didn't do us any good, either.



They told us lies about various properties we viewed; were not able to recognise the difference between a TL cheque and a sterling cheque,(but cashed it anyway, even though they thought it was a huge overpayment); sent us stage photos of villas which weren't ours, lied about "independent Lawyers" who paid them commission....



I could go on, but won't bore you.



If not criminal ( debatable) they are CERTAINLY not competent - except at making money from buyers....



robinhood


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