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Tasgirl


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11/07/2009 23:17

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Would it be fair to say, after reading about the forthcoming auction at Bellepais, that all of the Turkish Cypriot Law and banking society are basically corrupt.



Brinsley


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11/07/2009 23:35

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No, the whole Island is! Trust me on that one!



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trishyj


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12/07/2009

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Can you honestly say that everyone on the island is corrupt? Do you think that everyone in the British Isles is NOT corrupt?



Brinsley


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12/07/2009 00:14

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They are better at hiding it, had centuries of practice!



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Pipie


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Did not think that UK was mentioned in the question , however re North Cyprus i have learnt to trust no one and suspect everyone !!!



trishyj


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Richard - I get the impression from many of your posts that you are less than enamoured with TRNC. Could I ask a personal question as to why you are living there? This is not meant to be rude - I am just interested.



nurseawful



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12/07/2009 00:21

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When we first moved here in 2004 we argued with Mrs. Unwin that our builder was a great guy and all TC's were wonderful, her answer to that was "look beyond the smile" my god how many times since have we thought of that saying and knew her to be right.



trishyj


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12/07/2009 00:29

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I appreciate what you are saying but I have lived in France and there was a pretty corrupt system operating there particularly if you were english living with the French. I could go into more detail but a bit too personal.

I know that there is corruption in TRNC but I am just trying to make the point that there is corruption everywhere not least of all in the Uk where we all like to believe we are all whiter than white.



Brinsley


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Msg 6



10 years ago when I first came and bought, this place was a little oasis however, greed has taken over and I'm stuck here. I've dug my hole so have no choice but to wallow in it with all the other pigs. Answered?!



Richard



trishyj


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12/07/2009 00:50

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Richard

Thanks for your reply but do you not think that greed is something that has taken over the western world in the past 10 years? The problem with money is when you haven't got any you don't worry too much about what you have got, but as soon as you get a bit the aspirations start and you are then on the conveyor belt to capitalism and greed.



Brinsley


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Slightly more complex than that however, if I were to expand further I really would be banned for life on this Forum!



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CarrieRBag



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12/07/2009 08:29

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I was warned, by a Cypriot, to trust no-one here. A sad thing but true. Nice when you find you can trust someone though.



Bradus


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12/07/2009 11:24

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trishyj



Yes, I think greed is evident all over the western world now. However you miss the point...........In Europe you have so much more protection. Just look at the support buyers in the South of Cyprus are being given by the British Government.



The TRNC is unrecognised and can do what it wants. You have no support networks and the law is certainly not on your side. You are at their mercy.



negativenick


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12/07/2009 11:26

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i'll wait for Dixie Normus's opinion on this one.....



yorgozlu



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Why do we have to trust anyone just because we live in cyprus.You are making it sound like,"we were prepared to sign our lifes away without a question and not worry at all in uk."May be thats how we choose to be and the so called "cypriots" are taking it for granted.Another way of putting it,"may be we are making ourselves an easy target"



yunus



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12/07/2009 13:36

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would love to hear your thoughts brinsley, i'm sure you can not be banned for telling us what you have lived through.

the saying goes, " don't even trust your father " my moto is "don't trust your father first". never pay in full until you are totally happy. try to buy a finished property with water and electricity connected as this is very expensive. if electricity from the belediye have not been connected on a new build property, you should be holding back around 30 k if everything else is in order. i would not worry about buying on greek land at all. a relative has just built 6 villas in catalkoy, on greek land, he lives in one, sold 2 to his relatives and the other 3 to close friends. this is the trnc, it has its problems but you will not loose your property that you have legally paid for and purchased under trnc law. time will prove this. how much time i do not know. the trnc and turkey are in no rush what so ever. do not make yourselves ill waiting. trust me



yorgozlu



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re msg9

brinsley:I have a house in uk thats empty at the moment,you can always rent that of me

And if you are lucky enough to get the socials to pay for it "bob's your uncle"



Brinsley


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yorgozlu



Are you on drugs? If not you ought to be! What on earth has the UK got to do with me when I'm from New Zealand. I could lend you a flock or two to vent your frustrations out on if that would help you!



Richard



yorgozlu



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brinsley:New Zealand,Cyprus,Uk....... Whats the difference?



Brinsley


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13/07/2009 00:14

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YOU



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cronos


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Yunus.....msg 16..."this is the trnc, it has its problems but you will not loose your property that you have legally paid for and purchased under trnc law."



Try telling that to the people whose houses were being auctioned from under them at today's auction in Bellapais.



Brinsley


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cronos



It never happened, I was there with many others and managed to scupper the whole procedure! Where was your support?!



Richard



yunus



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cronos, are you up for it in 3 months time



yorgozlu



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13/07/2009 00:48

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MSG21

What took place today at auction (glad didnt happen) is a personal issue.Unfortunatly it could happen to anyone(in trnc anyway)Weather you are ezpat or cypriot or even New Zealander makes no difference.However,if you had purchased a property,bought,paid you neddnt worry.Unless the biulder/land owners are crooks.Thats what everyone needs to be careful for,



The first house I tried to buy last year was like that.But luckely I went to land registery office and enquired.Only to be told that the land owner had remortgaged the land and no one can get title deeds until thats paid off.So please make sure that you have written info from there beforehand



If thats all clear,only then go further



But above all corrupt builders/land owners and north-south cyprus problems are two different things



Brinsley


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13/07/2009 00:58

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Post 1974 north of the 'Green Line' there is no such thing as 'Greek land' and they should count themselves lucky that the 2/3rds of the land mass of the Island they now have jurisdiction over was allowed only by the good grace of Turkey.



Richard



yorgozlu



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msg20

brinsley



I thought you a sense of humuor



Apologies if not taken that way



yorgozlu



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error correction

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brinsley



I thought you had sense of humuor



Apologies if not taken that way



cronos


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Brinsley...msg 22



I know it wasn't a success.....and I've congratulated washerman for his and others actions....but it doesn't alter the gist of what I was saying to Yunus.....the TRNC will NOT protect you.



I don't know why you are directing your invective at me.....but I was here in UK so couldn't attend.

If I was there I'd have gone....it's just up the hill from my place.



ROBIN HOOD


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Message Posted:
13/07/2009 09:42

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The tenor of TRNC being corrupt is slightly misleading. You have to put things in perspective. If there is no punishmen, then it's no dishonest to do something. If a builder in the UK took a mortgae on a house you had agreed to buy from him. You have a strong legal position to sue his arse off. The law will back you, compenstae you and if he persists put the man in jail. In TRNC it seems common practice. MY builder has mortgaged 4 of the 9 plots on our site (possibly 2 more as well). How the other site up the hill looks, I dread to think. The sad thing is thee is no regress. (AH! I hear you cry Injunction!!) See the AGA and many other similar sagas. Even if it's in the contract, there is no law to stop the double deaing, wether it be double selling or mortgaging. Hergtfordshire's County Motto "Trust and Fear not" (The latin eludes me) can be mirrored here in business transactions, "Fear and trust not". It's not just the locals. GJR for example.I bet we could all make a list.



porter


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13/07/2009 09:52

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all the mps in uk are corrupt so dont worry to much here.



yunus



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dear cronos



as i said, a relative built 6 villas in catalkoy. he was asked by only one of the purchasers if there was a debt on the land. the purchaser was given copies of the deeds which he cheched with the land registry office and obtained the all clear. this isn't the u.k and you should do the running around yourself.

note; my solicitor in the uk said his fee's for the purchase of my flat would be around 800, then went on to charge me 3500 after messing me about for a whole year ! add to this figure, rent and storage for a whole year ! oh and most of my stuff in storage got chucked away ! at least here you can do the running around yourself, obviously a trustable solicitor is good to have on the side.

so, ask for a copy of the deeds and make them sign a contract that they will be liable for any monies borrowed on the land between the time you purchase and receive your deeds. unfortunately we learn as we live. the uk incident cost me 15 k last year !



Aga Buyers A G


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14/07/2009 14:06

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don't forget all property/lawyer/estate agent uncle tom cobbley and all victims are invited to join us on 4 & 5 August at our London Office Protest. It's up to each person to show their displeasure even if its only for 5 minutes. We need to make them realise that us Brits will no longer put up with being treated like this and that they need to action themselves sooner rather than later



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ABAG

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littlejohn


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15/07/2009 02:19

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Message 30 - stop talking nonsense !! The system is less than perfect - but aren't we all?



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