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AlsancakJack



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02/08/2009 23:50

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I am halfway through reading a document that is freely downloadable and it is a collection of letters that involve Rauf Denktas and Mike Moran. The document is available at http://www.gpotcenter.org and the document is entitled Cyprus: Unity and Difference.

AJ





Direct Link:

http://www.gpotcenter.org/dosyalar/Cyprus-Unity-and-Difference.pdf



mmmmmm



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03/08/2009 00:08

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OK, AJ



My immediate thought is " This is going to be a one-sided 'history' ", but Ill have a read, too and hope to be pleasantly surprised ;)



Thanks for an interesting link



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03/08/2009 00:14

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Yes AJ, I look forward to reading this thanks for the link.



Lilli



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03/08/2009 00:21

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Hiya AJ where do you think this will go.It all looks like buisness and a very interesting link. We can live in hope that a solution can be found one way or another. Thank you xxxx



petez


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03/08/2009 00:59

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Thanks for the link...

will try and read it this week..

I hope you have all joined our facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/onecyprus



clarets



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03/08/2009 13:53

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AJ.....Mike Moran has researched this very well indeed.He gives an unbiased opinion and it has the strength of a critical look at previous British policies and more recently EU policies. The document has indeed called into question why we should always look at the "Cyprus Problem" from 1974 onwards, and goes further back to what precipitated the liberation of the TC,s by the Turkish Army and then the partition and subsequent peace on the whole island. Thanks for the info, Iain



Brinsley


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03/08/2009 19:16

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AJ



Enjoyed the read, thanks.



Richard



Brinsley


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I notice mmmmmmmmmmmm is quick to respond in his usual critical, analytical, historical in depth overseeing views on this book!



Richard



WAZ-24-7



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03/08/2009 20:37

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A very interseting link...thank you kindly.



I have read some of the letters and they certainly represent some intelligent and intellectual dialogue.

It is encouraging to read such pragmatic and understanding script.

I am one letter number 5 and shall continue with interest.



I would recommend anyone with an interest in Cypriot History to indulge and learn.



AlsancakJack



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03/08/2009 21:56

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Oh boy, I have just been reading letters 7 & 8. I will now not listen to any more crap from any of the GC supporters on this board, my mind is now made up. I would even buy a second hand car from Rauf Denktas. What a politician!

AJ



Brinsley


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03/08/2009 22:13

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AJ



Haven't you finished it yet? Actually, would like a hard copy, anywhere in central Girne to purchase the book?



Richard



Brinsley


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Liked the reply," Not a wink, Your Honour"!



Richard



AnthonySmith


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To be honest, I have read the book and find it is two people satisfying their egos and doing little to explain the Cyprus problem, rather to moan and keep the fires burning.

I found it rather disappointing.

A friend showed me a picture today of a father holding the hands of his child, buried in a shallow grave following one of the massacres of Turkish Cypriots in the aftermath of July 20. That touched me and horrified me much more than this exchange of letters seeing if "you'll agree with me".



Brinsley


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Msg



Where did you go? The Museum of Barbarism? If not, that will really shock you!



Richard



AlsancakJack



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AnthonySmith



' To be honest, I have read the book and find it is two people satisfying their egos and doing little to explain the Cyprus problem, rather to moan and keep the fires burning. '



I guess most of us are 'egotistical' and I would put your posting in the same group. For me this tome is yet another piece of the jigsaw that allows me to have a better understanding of the 'Cyprus Problem'. And with all of the other books that now take pride of place in my library it allows me to have a more balanced perspective.

'He who reads everything will become a wise man, he who reads only what he wants to read will end up an idiot'

AJ



AlsancakJack



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I forgot to mention, I think at the moment I am halfway between the two.



AnthonySmith


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You maybe ought to read more books rather than lecture, then Alsancak Jack. Egotistical? For having my say, which obviously disagrees with yours? Wow. I humbly apologise.



Brinsley


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03/08/2009 23:11

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AS Msg 17



You need too!



Richard



AnthonySmith


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04/08/2009 09:02

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I don't understand your message Brinsley.



mmmmmm



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04/08/2009 11:21

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Dear AJ



I still haven't begun to read the works yet, but it is interesting to note that this is recommended reading by the:



Association for Cypriot, Greek and Turkish Affairs

( ACGTA )



http://www.peace-cyprus.org/ACGTA/#500



just need to find out WHY, now !



AlsancakJack



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Plectrum



'Though strangely enough you never say that whenever Genocide Files is mentioned.'



You have lost me with that one, perhaps you need to become a little bit 'better read'.

But then again I guess you are biased. Never mind, heed the quote and you can not go far wrong.

Enjoy your reading as much as I do.

AJ



wanderer


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08/08/2009 11:41

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AJ

Thanks for the post just finished the letters



The admissions of the GC participants in unguarded moments tells it all



The duplicity of the UK because of the bases is a disgrace

I noted the bit on the Greek bases in the south how many Greek troops are there and the arms spending whatís the average number of the men under arms peaks and low in the RoC ?



Definitely the pot calling the kettle black



What a one sided story you get from the Dark Sliders would you trust them with no guarantee from TR and TR troops being here I don't think so



wanderer


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08/08/2009 11:44

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Your second post regarding conditioning and education

The similarities to the propaganda and the content of state education and public feelings stoked by the Church and politicians makes it more like the Germany of the 1930ís



http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/EPIC/documents/ICSpyrou.pdf



On that front the post war German education was made so that the people knew what they had done .



In the 50's in the UK it was no Blacks Irish and dogs



The sixties rivers of blood Enoch Powell



I remember a broad Welsh speaking history teacher being told on the phone that houses on a new estate were sold



His English speaking colleague phoned and was told there were plenty of houses they thought the Welshman was Indian that was the 60's



The UK is different now but the communities are integrating now



There is no integration and the true cause of the intervention being the dream of enosis is not revealed to the greek population



TheSaints



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08/08/2009 13:47

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AJ



Thanks for that very interesting.....



SidsPinkFloyd


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AJ



Ditto............



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