'Have you got your title deeds yet?' - poll

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 17:13

A survey to find out if title deeds are still being held up can be found on http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com

Mal

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 17:30

Have I jumped the gun? I can't find this survey/poll.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 17:31

oops, sorry forgot to press the publish button!

Mal

scruff


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Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 17:43

Thanks Mal & okay now. I have voted.

I think you need to add more timescale options over & above 5 yrs. I'm sure there are many who have waited up to 10 yrs. & longer.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 17:48

I should have thought of that, hopefully people will add a comment at the bottom. Thanks for that scruff.

Mal

malsancak


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Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 18:17

only 30% so far have received title deeds, take the poll at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com

Mal

Happy Hussar


Joined: 01/10/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 18:28

Theres a bit of a backlog at the land registry office in Girne. We have been waiting for them to produce our Kocan for the last six months! 'They are hand written and it takes time' Yea right.

Tony

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:29

Mal

In order to put down number of years,when is the start point? from signing contract, or completion of property.

Depending on the answer. I think for some you might need a greater timescale.Might I suggest up to 10 years from signing contract.

brend


Joined: 20/01/2009
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:33

Hi

YES!!! we received ours last week( at least I think we did. could be for a garden shed down the road for all we know as its in Turkish and yes we will get it translated) It is hand written and we paid our dues in March so have been waiting 6 months. Is it best to bring them back to England with you or can you deposit them in a bank in TRNC.

Brend

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:43

I have used the moving in date. In some cases people may still be waiting for PTP. Not so in our case. Got it in 6 mths before moving in.

From date of signing contract it's now 8 yrs & counting. From moving in 7.5yrs.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 21:22

Good grief! With 33 responses in so far, 24% have title deeds and 24% have waited 5 or more years and still don't have them.

Mal

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 08:57

44 responses and only 27% have their title deeds and 23% have waited 5 years or more without success. If you want to join the poll it's still at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com

Mal

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 09:02

why would you want them lol

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 09:13

I voted no, as the last two times I have been down to the land registry they have not been ready. I hope when I go on 26th October, they may be ready ... but you never know.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 09:17

but its a worthless piece of paper at the mo, why would you want tp chuck more money away, till something is sorted and they are worth something.strange keep you money in the bank

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 09:23

Mine is on pre-74 Turkish title, so I am hoping they do have some value.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 11:08

catalkoykid,"its a worthless piece of paper"

Two properties sold within 400 metres of us would say that having a title deed isn't worthless unless your property isn't what the buyers are looking for. These are not estate houses which unfortunately seem to be difficult to sell at the moment.

sloan, "pre-74 Turkish title" I would be very interested if you could confirm that the government are issuing title deeds on these as there have been rumours going around that the old government wouldn't sell such land to "foreigners."

Mal

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 11:37

Mal....msg 17



"pre-74 Turkish title" I would be very interested if you could confirm that the government are issuing title deeds on these as there have been rumours going around that the old government wouldn't sell such land to "foreigners."





A slight correction if I may......they will happily SELL you the land,but they won't let you OWN it.!

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 12:48

malsancak - I will update you on October 26th as that is my next visit to the land registry. This is my email corrspondence with my lawyer:



Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 06:14:37 +0000

From: sheilasloan@btinternet.com

Subject: deeds

To: f_ozdenefe@hotmail.com; fazilet@ozdenefelaw.com; info@ozdenefelaw.com



Thank you for explaining email from Dilek.



Please could you confirm whether our deeds are freehold or leasehold?



Regards



Sheila

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 12:49

From: Fazilet Ozdenefe

Subject: RE: deeds

To: sheilasloan@btinternet.com

Date: Wednesday, 20 May, 2009, 3:49 PM





Dear Sheila,





Your deeds are freehold. (leasehold is very limited in N.Cyprus)





Regards

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 12:50

Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 17:36:24 +0000

From: sheilasloan@btinternet.com

Subject: RE: deeds

To: f_ozdenefe@hotmail.com



Thank you very much for letting me know. From everything that I have read lately, pre-74 Turkish title freehold deeds are very hard to come by and the government is stopping issuing them.



I am very pleased we have managed to get in in time.

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 12:53

From: "Fazilet Ozdenefe" View contact detailsTo: sheilasloan@btinternet.com



Yes indeed you are very lucky. I have a few clients who've been rejected already.

Congratulations again.







...... but there again I will blieve it when they are in my hand. My last visit to the land registry was Sept 1st, just before I returned to the UK. They told me to come back in a month, but as I said previously, I will go in on October 26th.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 12:55

msg 18, cronos timely intervened by saying "they will happily SELL you the land,but they won't let you OWN it"

Well put, have you ever thought of writing articles for NCFP? Well, I've got to ask.

msg 20, sloan said, "Your deeds are freehold"

Don't suppose they put in writing that it was pre-74 Turkish?

Mal

Editor of http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 13:03

Who put it in writing? Do you mean on the original contract? The apartment is one of Hilmi Kirgin's, behind the Pia Bella Hotel. The land belonged to Hilmi's wife's family. Our lawyer has confirmed that it is pre-74 title. I will wait until I hopefully receive the kocan and have it translated.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 14:16

73 responses so far to the title deed poll, showing that 32% have title deeds and 34% have waited 4 years or more and still do not have deeds. Poll is still open at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com

Mal

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 17:29

Hi Mal it would be interesting if you could do a poll for PTP regarding how long people have waited in relation to when they bought and the type of deed.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 19:20

good idea, joandjelly, I'll give this one some time for people to complete it and then put a PTP one on.

Mal

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 19:37

"do a poll for PTP regarding how long people have waited in relation to when they bought and the type of deed"



And even more interesting if they named the Developers they bought from (as most will, presumably, have bought from developers and not from Private Sellers.

sporty


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 685

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 19:49

waiting 4 years for deeds? i'd be happy with that,myself and others put large deposits down 3 or 4 yrs ago,still just a shell,site abandoned,probably will never be finished either!Investors at eastcoast residence,bogaz. If you have the keys to your property and can use it with or without deeds dont worry about it imho.enjoy it!

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 13:39

Current results after 94 responses can be found at

http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/poll-94.jpg

Mal

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
27/10/2009 15:14

Update on my visit to the land registry on 24th Oct - not ready, come back in a week. I think this is progress as in July I was told to come back in a month and on Setember 1st, I was also told to come back in a month. Am keeping my fingers crossed for next Monday.

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
02/11/2009 10:28

Went down again this morning and it did not look hopeful, but they asked me to wait and wrote it there and then.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
02/11/2009 11:21

msg 32, "Went down again this morning and it did not look hopeful, but they asked me to wait and wrote it there and then"

Excellent news sloan! Get a translation so you can confirm this is a pre-74 Turkish property as you will then have a potentially internationally recognised property. Not sure how you confirm this unless the previous owner has owned it since before 1974.

Mal

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
02/11/2009 12:00

Will email you details off board.