How will the smoking ban work in the TRNC

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 10:41

I understand that a ban on smoking in public places (bars, restaurants, coffee shops e.t.c) comes into force on 1/1/10, it will be interesting to see how this is policed, who will be the first proprietor to be fined, will it be an expat investor or the local coffee shop owner?



Although a smoker I agree with the ban and do not wish for non smokers especially those who have given up the weed to have to breath my dirty smelling fumes.



I look forward to seeing the developments though, it will be interesting to see the Belediye, Police and possible some new jobs worth given the role of enforcing this law.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 10:50

This law has been in force for one year and only some places like restaurants were exempted until 1st January 2010. So the enforcement will be carried out as it has been so far.

ismet

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 10:53

That explains why I walked through a fog at the local constabulary and the ashtrays must have been ones they had confiscated from non conforming establishments!!

Warbabies


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 165

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 11:08

Ismet - could you let us know who DOES actually have responsibility for policing this issue?

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 11:11

As an aside to this (I am a smoker), the ban in England has seemed to have another effect, that I'm sure was not part of the plan. Most smokers I know, no longer smoke inside their own homes. I wonder if the same will happen in NC?

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 11:40

A lot of the places here have already been warned Guido's for one, although it doesnt come into force until 2010 is it only English owners so far that have been threatened with a fine, if one has then they should all be.

Sorry I am a smoker, but giving up once back in the UK

Barbarians


Joined: 22/10/2009
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 12:36

Smoke free restaurants - cannot wait!!!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:14

The restaurant and bar trade will suffer even further - just like in the South.



Go on TRNC - shoot yourselves in the foot once again!



No doubt TC's will be exempt from this restrictive new law!

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:16

I should imagine that the majority of TCs will ignore it. It is unlikely that action will be taken against TC or Turkish owned restaurants who allow it to continue.

Just had a thought, will it still apply in SUmmer when people are eating outside?

Do you know the answer to that Ismet?

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:16

It works in Istanbul, so long as it's an enclosed area, but if open, even on one side, then smoking is still permitted. I have walked out of restaurants where there is smoking as I can't stand it, and it's usually

ex-pats who are doing it.

ClaireCat44



Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 739

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:23

...and I walk out when a restaurant is No Smoking and has not provided any covered/heated facilities for smokers outside. I have absolutely no problem with the smoking ban, as long as smokers are provided for. Why didn't they start the full ban in the summer to give places time to prepare 'smoking-areas' in readiness for the winter/rain/wind/cold?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 13:26

There is no bigger buzz then inhaling a lung full of smoke that has just left someones body,

Paul.

loulouis


Joined: 13/12/2009
Posts: 234

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:10

I used to love going over to North Cyprus to sit with a pint and a cig in my hand( something we have not been able to do in the UK for a while now). we used to watch the footie or some other sport, But Alas all the Jobsworths and do gooders have got there way and ruined it for us. I wil forecast all pubs Snack bars sports bars will suffer. As we in the UK have.

Loui

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:26

Msg 12:



What colour smoke are you referring to, Newlad?



Don't tell us you eat yellow snow, as well!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:29

Newlad, my sentiments too. Cant wait to be able to go to Lambrousa market in the winter time, to sit and have a coffee without some one else puffing at their fags.

It works both ways, loulouis, now others too can enjoy sitting with a pint without having to 'share' the habit!!



A lot of the eating places have already put up a 'no smoking in this area' in NC, so for those that smoke they have, or will have to cater for these people in another area..... simples....

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:31

What do you do when someone ignores it and also ignores the owner when asked to stop?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:33

Carrry out a citizens arrest mama,

Paul.

spanna


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 544

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:37

Can't wait!!!!



Oh, to be able go for a night out and not end up smelling like a dirty ashtray...!!! Those smokers who are feeling hard done by - at least you have a choice to smoke or not... Surely those of us that do not should be equally privvy to that choice, instead of being forced to smoke other people's fumes...!



Having just moved from the UK, bars and restaurants have suffered very few ill effects in the long run and, in fact, many of my friends who were smokers are so grateful for the ban as they have now been able to kick the habit... Surely, that's got to be a good thing...



I hope it will be enforced fairly and reasonably.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:40

Mess 12,

Nothing wrong with drinking your own urine.But i draw the line at passive smokiing,

Paul.

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:41

Quite a few places have divided their seating areas and tables into smoking and non smoking for most of this year. I have been in a couple of places with a friend of mine who is a smoker, and sat in the wrong part and we have been asked to move to the smoking area. Personally I think it is excellent as I don't want to breathe in other peoples smoke.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:45

Surely having a smoking area in a restaurant is like having a peeing area in a swimming pool?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:46

I know is not the police but a government department with somethingto do with health that is policing it and writing out fines. The open areas are free from the ban but I am not sure if there are any rules about it. I think in Turkey, the top may be covered but if more than half of the side walls are missing it is free smoking area.

Any complaints about smoking should be reported to telephone 184 free of charge but I don't know how fast they act.

ismet

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 14:47

But surely come Jan 1 2010 that will all have to change as it will be an offence to smoke indoors,

Paul.

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 15:03

Thanks Ismet. Sounds the same as UK and Ireland where if some of the walls are missing it counts as being outside. Not sure how it works with sliding or demountable partitions though.

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 16:40

In UK not more than 50% of the smoking shelter can be enclosed.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 18:20

I have posted this before, but never mind. The smoking ban has been in force in Ercan airport for some months now. When we returned home in June, husband popped into the loo before getting on the plane. Surprise! Full of men smoking, including a couple of policemen!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 18:34

Just to contradict the uneducated hypothesis about smoking bans harming trade,the ban in the UK has paradoxically been responsible for increased restaurant trade and not a reduction.This is because 78-80% of the populus doesnt smoke.The main socio-economic groups who do are usually social groups 4 and 5 and therefore do not have lots of wonga to spend in such hostelries.......therefore didn't usually make use of them........and hence are not missed by them. The more affluent membres of society......by informed choice, are invariably not smokers, and they are the groups most sought after by eating establishments. As those places have become more "palatable" because of the smoke-free environments,to such groups,the trade has increased(at least until Labour wrecked the UK economy)

loulouis


Joined: 13/12/2009
Posts: 234

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 18:37

I was in a bar in the esenteppe area when 2 policemen came in. Ordered two whiskys then proceeded to the tables and aquired an ashtray they then both lit up there cigarettes . (There has been a partial ban in N/C for the last twelve months in enclosed areas ) There is a notice up at the bar clearly stating that Smoking is prohibited in the bar area (In both Turkish and English ). When the officers were approached and shown the error of there ways ther answer was ahhhh.. please ignore them signs they dont mean anything we are the law around here. I thought of making a citizens arrest but they were both carrying shooters. Maybe newlad the next time it happens i can send for you! Lol

Loui

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 18:48

Smoking ban only harmed the ignorant ones who scream that they wont be able smoke in restaurants or pubs.

Makes me want to cry for them...NOT.

Our local pub saw an increase of 10% in eaters, not drinkers, people who came to the pub because they could without being subject to the 'weed'. The increase in wine and actual food compensated for the loss of smokers and the beer that these people consumed.

So all is never lost, mostly gain, health wise, more money in your pockets to spend on goodies, and no stale baccy smell......

Oakley


Joined: 11/02/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 20:10

Message 27,just to say that the ban may have not harmed restaurants in the UK but it certainly has harmed pubs.Just after the smoking ban there were 23 pubs a week closing that has now risen to 52 a week.The smoking ban was the begining of the end for pubs.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 20:12

The price of beer is the real reason Oakley,

Paul.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 20:46

Oakley, the closure of pubs has many reasons, it was the stamp down of drink and drive that put the nail in the coffin, not just the smoking ban! Look at the pubs that people can walk to in towns, they are still full up, it is to do with the change of culture too. Nothing stays the same, smoking ban, drink driving ban, both are irresponsible to others!....

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 20:56

smoking and drink driving I mean......

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 21:37

Msg 27. Suppose I better stop going out to restaurants and lowering the tone then, as I'm in the wrong social class. But at least I'm not arrogant enough to look down on those worse off than me.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 21:55

teatime - don't know how I've managed, really. I'm a smoker who also likes to eat in restaurants. I wonder what Social Class that puts me in?



J

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 22:28

Clarets - not being the socially well educated type like wot you are - who exactly come within the social classes 4 and 5 and does this also apply here in TRNC?.... sorrry but I'm just a mere scientist.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 23:07

A Burnley fan who's a social snob;



Whatever next?

YeniTom


Joined: 29/12/2009
Posts: 198

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 23:22

Msg 27 Clarets



Typical new world -ist.



I am not sure what socio groups 4 or 5 are but I smoke - does that put me in those groups?,



If so then paradoxically, as a time served engineer a can actually afford to use the places you quote.



Seems to me that you've Googled HM Govt. statistics, which we all believe don't we.

Oakley


Joined: 11/02/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 23:53

Message 31 and 32.I did say that smoking was the begining of the end.It was the smoking ban first,then extreme price rises by the government linked with supermarkets selling alcohol for less than water and the government letting them get away with it whilst punishing the pubs for what they call binge drinking. My husband has run pubs for 35 years and I have seen what has been happening in the UK over the past 2 years.The local pub as we know it will be a thing of the past. In our area alone there have been 4 pub closures in the past 18 months,3 more have changed hands a number of times in a short space of time and are all back up for sale and ours will be joining it shortly.The pub tie is killing leaseholders but I still believe that the smoking ban was the begining of the end and all the lanlords in my area agree. I would like to point out that we live in the supposedly "affluent South" and we are fortunate not to be suffering as badly as some areas are re:unemployment.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/12/2009 23:57

well i can tell you that if its as cold as it was tonight not many will go outside for thier smoke. Wehad many a visit early on in the year from the smoking police. They threatened to fine me as they were practising. As luck had it nobody was smoking so we made the restaurant non smoking anyway as we knew the brits would be the target. When the eight police on overtime left they all lit up. I challenged them and said 2010 my friend reply we fine now to get used to the paperwork. I had A TC barrister in that night and to make a point ge lit up and said now yake me to court result nothing xxx

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 02:15

Message 27 Clarets for once I agree with you - on the effect of smoking on pubs - except for the last bit but I am still reluctant to believe that anyone with the intellect to become a doctor would utter the crap that you usually do!!

butterfly



Joined: 26/01/2007
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 02:24

cutting through all the crap...the smoking ban has killed the pub trade in the uk. we ran a good business in the trnc between 2002 and 2006, anyone could smoke the bar, moved back to uk, banned everywhere new job put up smoking hut with heaters...tried to keep the smokers interested...now....24 x stella from tesco £5. 3 x pinot grigo £10...why go out??????????????????

Joe Soap


Joined: 17/10/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 08:59

Went to a cafe yesterday that had a large NO SMOKING sign on clear display.



Had an interesting discussion on this with a couple on the effects of the ban..........whilst they were smoking.



Didn't think the sign applied to them. Part of the wall paper perhaps?



Yes, coming back to the main theme......... how will the ban work?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 10:38

Oakly's Msg30 states UK statistics for *pub closures - obviously as a result of the smoking ban.



European non-smokers may pontificate all they like, but surely they can see what has happened in their own countries - do they wish to see the TRNC economy deteriorate even more wretchedly than it already has?



Government tax revenue has to come from somewhere; so, with such a *shortfall, the 'tax focus' is likely to be increasingly aimed at the expats.



TRNC authorities should take note - unless they want to see this already decimated economy go further 'down the gurgler'!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 11:27

YeniTom Msg 38,you ,initially say you are not certain aboutwhat you write....then you ASSUME that I look at web-sites that only you appear to have looked at ! That would appear to be a bit of a paradox in itself. "Time-served"......whatever the grand significance of that is...........engineer is not someone who I would put in either Social class 4 or 5. You do appear to have a bag of spuds on your shoulder about something though.

Littlejohn,Msg 41......illuminates your reasonability as usual. Please keep points pertinent to the thread,and not what goes around a small mind!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 11:41

Hi clarets, this topic always gets quite heated doesnt it!

Agree with you, I think? but dont know what folks go into the social class 4 or 5! can you put me right on this one.

Smoking is so anti social, that those that do so, are so used to not using their brain power to realise that non smokers hate the vile drug and smell from these people. It does go hand in hand with selfish people........

Cant wait for the ban in NC...

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 13:30

I was in Turkey in October eating with my wife in a pleasant restaurant

The table was by the outside dwarf wall inside the restaurant my wife was smoking

Suddenly the waiter takes the ashtray he had delivered at the start of the meal

Then he asks my wife for the cigarette she though he wanted a free one so fumbled in her handbag

No he wanted the one she was smoking and away he went with it

We asked the next table what was happening "Cigarette Police"

there at the back of the restaurant was a man with a satchel witting a ticket

We were the only non Turkish people in the place So I presume that comment 22 from Ismet applies as too how open the restaurant is this was only open on one side

As to smoking outside at home that's what the smokers have done always for the last 25 years at our house

Saves on decorating costs and time

I remember as a child getting onto the top deck of a bus after it had been painted until then I had always thought that they were dark brown not

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 17:49

Giving up smoking a couple of years ago has been one of the best things I've ever done. Really didn't appreciate just how obnoxious, anti social and serious illness spreading I've been all those years until I gave up. I realise now that I had no right whatsoever to smoke within inhaling distance of others. One day it will be classed as an assault to do so.



If I'm in a non smoking restaurant in future and the proprieter allows a customer to smoke, then I will leave and expect the proprieter to ask the smoker to pick up my bill.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 17:59

Thats a good idea Hector, perhaps we should all do so.



Actually the people who have given up are much more critical than the all 'their life non smokers'. But so pleased that you have voiced your thoughts,.....

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 18:38

"Actually the people who have given up are much more critical than the all 'their life non smokers' "

Maybe that's what irks the smokers? I'd be quite happy to accept critcism from always non-smokers, but I do really have an issue from the recently given up ex-smokers, who have "seen the light" & who so love to lecture on this topic. I'm sure they didn't enjoy the same when they were still smoking. If they disagree then they are being dishonest.

jay76


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 532

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 19:59

do smokers think of the non smokers in pubs

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 20:04

Hector msg.49,

What a brilliant idea. As from 1st January 2010 we should all do that and it will be perfectly within our right to leave without paying. Very good idea.

ismet

swannee7


Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 20:08

Look at it this way.



We Brits who 'commute' to-from TRNC via airlines have to go without our 'ciggy fix' for a minimum of 4+ hours but we do it. Having a meal in a 'no smoking' eatery doesn't usually take that long - so it can be done, again. No disputing that for us smokers the pleasure is heightened by a ciggy at the end of a good meal, while still sat at the table, but a ban is a ban like it or no. It is quite possible to train oneself to sit through an entire meal with drinks and NOT smoke at the table. When it all gets too much then excuse yourself and go outside, whatever the weather. That way we satisfy our addiction and don't upset the applecart with all the non-smokers around us. Let's face it , we're now definitely a minority group - in public anyway.

Not 100% convinced that the UK pub trade has been THAT badly affected by the ban but the pub ambience certainly has. Give us back our civil liberties!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:02

swanee you are so right we can sit through a flight or anything that says mo smoking. A good meal espicially in our place could be 3 hours. think of it as a flight not a light xxxxx

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:29

I do not know that feeling anymore now, 7 months without a ciggie and I feel great, it has been sooooo easy to quit and I was considered a heavy smoker 2 packs a day and sometimes breaking into a third pack.

No patches no nicotine gum etc just quit, I have not even had a craving for one.

Personally I don't mind other people smoking it is thier choice after all I smoked for over 30 years but my food tastes better, even a drink is actually better without a smoke, my clothes and skin do not smell of smoke anymore.

I must admit it has even changed my attitude towards drinking gone are the copius amounts of beer I prefer to just have a couple of drinks and enjoy them..

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:35

The Saints - many congratulations on being "fag free" for 7 months.



I only wish I found it so easy. I gave up for 2 years and started again (being a woman and vain about my weight - I put on loads). No matter - I am now on a countdown to quitting again.



Wish me luck



Jean

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 21:58

Jean



The main thing is you are going to give it another go, whilst you are on your countdown look at what you eat now and adjust your eating habits and diet before you start to quit even start a small bi daily exercise program just 15 to 30 minutes it works honest and I really do wish you good luck with your efforts.



Mike

swannee7


Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 22:41

Lilli, Nice one, 'think of it as a flight not a light'. Could still get some turbulence though!

barbieb


Joined: 05/07/2009
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
30/12/2009 23:04

Message 27, social class does not come into it, and neither does trying to belittle smokers by putting them into the lower classes, classes in society went a long time ago, and most smokers who can afford to eat and drink out are certainly not in the lower class (if they still exsisted and I assume anything below 4 or 5 is lower class) so how dare you classify them, most eateries that I use would be very upset by the fact that I would not use them again because of the smoking ban, we are not all louts. Also I will add that we do try and take others into consideration and if someone is eating would not dream of lighting up, we also would love to kick our addiction, but any smoker can tell you this does not work with dictatorship, I wonder how non smokers would feel if they were forced to smoke, or told their freedom of choice was taken from them, which most of my British friends feel smokers or non-smokers go back to Europe where you have no choice we are in TRNC!

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 03:00

Message 60



Very well said! How articulate you are (for a smoker). I applaud you madam



Happy New Year (from a fellow smoker)



Jean



x

barbieb


Joined: 05/07/2009
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 09:28

Thank you Jean

And a very Happy New Year to you

xx

Baspinar Bob


Joined: 15/02/2008
Posts: 618

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 09:30

Stopping smoking is the easiest thing in the world, my mate has stoped 22 times!



Bob.

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 12:18

Princess Margaret RIP just another typical lower class smoker

Navek



Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 2656

Message Posted:
31/12/2009 18:10

The train which runs the longest distance in the world and was opened last week,

was delayed for two hours after a cigarette activated the alarm in the wagons.



http://momento24.com/en/2009/12/31/a-cigarette-delayed-the-worlds-longest-train/



Where are the "Cigarette Cops" when you need them

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
02/01/2010 21:26

Clarets,

Please take the time to look at your posts again. You will no doubt realise that in some instances you come across as a snob and bang on about the class system. I note you are public servant from Burnley ( classy) Its like saying people with hair are intelligent and people with bald heads are thick, crazy statement i am sure you agree. Try some tact and show some respec,t then my friend you wont sound such a t*at ............................

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/01/2010 23:20

Blackpool fan...Well said...Now watch the replies...

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
02/01/2010 23:29

Blackpoolfanny, once again you illuminate the forum with a glowing illustration of small minded ignorance. You resort to the usual petty personal comments because you have possibly realised that everyone knows you have nothing constructive to add. Smoking is very definitely a huge class issue these days, and if you don't know that, you are more of moron than even a social worker deserves to be!

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/01/2010 23:37

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