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pilgrim



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Hoping to bring goods from Uk, understand need temp residency status to reduce amount of inport tax levied.

Have basic idea of procedure , but wonder what financial information is currently required, have heard vastly different rumours 100k in bank 20k in bank etc.

Any up to date information gratefully received.

thanks

p



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e-mail sent.



pilgrim



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thanks vaughan



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Well, that was very useful for anyone interested.



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.........Well, that was very useful for anyone interested.....



I thought the same, good comment "teatime"

not very helpfull was it !!!



Chris.



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It was obviously helpfull for Pilgrim........I am sure if we ask nicely Vaughan will let the rest of us have any current information.



pilgrim



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Teatime, I was hoping for more to. Perhaps all

regards

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scruff


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All I can tell you is that is deffo isn't 100k in the bank. I'll let you work out how I know this?

Several years ago, i use to show a local bank statement for a current account here which sensibly had very little in it. Never had a problem. Also showed them details of UK. accounts in the past too. No problems. Not everyone keeps a lot of capital in the TRNC.

Can't really see how they can refuse residency if you have more than the minimum wage in the TRNC coming in each month. I'm convinced they are more concerned about younger working aged than older pensioners. The former are more likely to be working illegally.

Also think that if you are receipt of pensions you can show them statements to prove the monthly income. They would be well advised to take more notice of an income which will not disappear. Nothing to stop someone getting residency one day & drawing all the savings out of the bank the next day.

My credentials. I have now completed 8 temporary residency renewals.



scruff


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ctd.

Hoping this was more helpful Paul, even though I'm a smoker. smiley.

If you need more info. then please ask again.



cyprusishome


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From experience over the last couple of months, the point made by scruff regarding age is probably the key factor.



Friends went to have their residency renewed, already done so 4 times, but were initially refused. Nothing had changed in the financial circumstances but being a lot younger than retirement age, we think anyway, they were put through the wringer over next 9 months before they were granted a full annual renewal.



There is another issue at the other end of the age spectrum. I think the person concerned is a member of this forum so may be they could say more. When they went to renew it was kicked back because their only apparent income was UK state pension. This was considered insufficient to live on, going from press memory now!!! Again I believe the worry from the authorities is if you have serious illness and such a low income, who is going to pay??



At end of day, things change so regularly it is impossible to give anything but todays rules and empirical evidence



proger1



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Not sure how helpful it will be because it was 3 months ago that I got my wifes residency and has probably changed but I was advised that 20K stirling in a bank anywhere world wide was proof that you could support yourself in TRNC but I also showed my contract of employment showing I was earning and paying it into a joint account.

In the end I don't think it mattered because we payed a local to do it for us and he gave us back the relevant money documents and said they weren't needed. Maybe they had a casual glance at them but they didn't need to keep anything.



Sorry, now that I have read that again I'm pretty sure it wont help, Oh well !!!



orangekazzie



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Recently went in to do other half's first residency and on first production of bank statement "everything ok" so he got issued the form to get the blood test done. When returning a week later complete with blood letter suddenly the amount on the bank statement wasn't sufficient (different person who saw us). When asked how much was "sufficient" a shrug of shoulder was given with the words "don't know". So we returned the following day with a copy of a different bank statement which showed only about 10k. No problem (saw original policeman that time).

Depends on who you see.

Karen



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Pilgrim,Have you already brought things into the country,ie in a container?

You are allowed to bring in all your household goods tax free (ie 40' container) and you do not need to have temporary residency to bring it in.



Activator


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Regarding the import of household goods. valentines advise me that you will need the temp resedency slip to avoid the import tax. Quote







Just as your container is arriving you need to go and see your local Muhtar (Next to the Post Office in Catalkoy Village). Take with you your passport (and copies) and house contract (and copies) and sometimes 5TL, sometimes 10TL. He will give you your Temporary Residency Slip (also know as 'the Muhtar's letter') and then send you to another signatory in the Village. Take the Slip along with the other documents to Girne Police.



Any views on this advice?



gooligan


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Activator,that is just an acknowledgement that the Muktar says you live in his village.This is what you need for the customs and also to get your residency.You dont have to get your residency in order to ship things in to the country,it just happens to be the same bit of paper.



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Many thanks. Very helpful.



Activator


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Hi again



Hoping you might be able to help on this one. There apparently is an issue with the 'ins and outs duration of stay for 2009. For example, we were in the TRNC for a total period of 103 days from April 12th in 2009 ( on 3 visits). As this total exceeds a 90 day period in a calendar year I have been advised that We may have to apply for the temp residency not earlier than the 26th of april 2010 which year on year reduces the total to under 90 even though we are due out to the country on the 14th of april. Do you know how this system works?



proger1



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As far as it has been explained to me you can't get residency unless you are in the country for 183 days in a calender year. Less than that and you are only a visitor.



Paul



gooligan


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Activator,who advised you of this?



Activator


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06/01/2010 18:05

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Hi again.



I should have made clear that it is not the actual residency that we require but the acknowledgement from the muktar. i believe that then is when the issue of time spent already becomes critical.



gooligan


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The Muktar doesn't need to know how long you have been here,maybe take your sales contract to prove you own a home in his district.The in and out papers are for customs.



Activator


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Maybe it is the ins and outs with the customs that are the issue. I'll wait to see what Valentines advise.



gooligan


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Have you already supplied customs with your in & outs?



pilgrim



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Many thanks folks , Will take TRNC and UK bank statements , only going for temporary residency, grandchild due in summer so probably have to cope with staying in UK for a while. Scruff thanks, what makes you think I'm anti-smoking, not one myself but many of my family are so never been a 'Non smoking activist' . chip in with a bit of banter from time to time though on many issues, just to instigate a reponse. regards all. P



gooligan


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Pilgrim,did you read msg 13?



pilgrim



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Gooligan, 1st container, advised temp residency will reduce tax liability. cheers



scruff


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Pilgrim. There shouldn't be any tax liability whatsoever unless you have obviously, new, expensive items like generator, air con units etc. etc. It's not too difficult to make new stuff look older anyway.

You can bring a full container of household items in without problems, including new stuff, if it isn't high value things. We brought in new PCs & other stuff - no problems. The only thing we had to pay for was the equivalent of UK. TV licence which cost peanuts. This is a once only charge for a TV licence. About 60 TL I recall. The customs people rarely look at anything, unless it's suspicious on the Turkish language Inventory. Maybe Valentines are just being belt & braces? If you are bringing in a genny, just make it look old. Rub in some dirt. The only thing that customs look at was our TVs because they needed the serial nos.



Hector


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We took a container of furniture etc out. Only ever have visitors 90 day visa, no point in applying for temp residency since they changed the rules as to number of days spent in or out of country (I had thought about going down the temp res route & starting to clock up the years but can't so that anymore). You get one free tax import of household second hand stuff and they stamp your passport to that effect.



elkiton



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Pilgrim, Scruff, just to add a note in contrast to your experiences.When our container arrived, the customs officers were very thorough, and opened about 8% of the total packages.They were concerned that several secondhand pieces of furniture we had had for years, looked new as they were in good condition. It was not until they found a couple of dead squashed flies (and a footprint !)in one of them that they agreed they were not new. Some new stuff we had with us true, but as we were just married and they were presents from the family to start our new life here they were nice about it. Televisions were sought out, they could not believe we did not have one, and opened all the PC boxes to check, and because I have two drum kits, they charged me duty on one of them.Arbitrary? probably,but certainly not something to be taken lightly. All new items should be repacked, and if you don't declare at least something as new,( the agent said) they will assume you are taking the P***.TonyE



scruff


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Tony

All I can say is that all our furniture was Export wrapped & nothing whatsoever was opened. Neither were any cardboard boxes whatsoever opened, except those containing TVs. Only 2 portables. They only checked the serial no. for one in the end. The PC (desktop) was in its original box but they were not interested in it. It was nearly new.

The customs men we had were very friendly & extremely helpful in telling the unloaders where to put furniture & boxes. eg Upstairs or downstairs & in which room. The whole thing was a pleasurable experience from start to finish. Maybe we were just lucky.

Unfortunately, I can't say that about everything I've experienced in Cyprus.



scruff


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Hector

Not sure if you want to do Temporary Residency or not. However, from what you have posted, it seems that you have the wrong idea about the number of days spent out of the country (TRNC). The numbers of days spent outside TRNC is not an issue for temporary residency. It is only an issue if you want to get Permanent residency eventually.

I doubt if people will be queing up to do Temp. Residency given the cost & the hassle, but thought I needed to correct your misunderstanding.



Pilgrim

You definitely don't need to have Temporary residency in place befor you bring in a container. Most people bring a container into Cyprus immediately they arrive, usually to furnish their house. There is no requirement to start the temporary residency process until the 90 days is up. You may start earlier but you don't have to yet. I know of no one that has ever got residency before they have brought in a container of personal possessions. i can't understand why your shippers are telling you dif



scruff


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msg. 31 continued.

differently.?



pilgrim



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Shippers said needed otherwise tax could be high. thanks will check.



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Seems that what orangekazzie said Mess 12 is happening more and more frequent, i just read on glencoe forum that somebody was turned away because of not enough money in there account, i think this was for a renewal though.



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Been today to police st for temp residency (no 4) - local account scrutinised but not commented on - very little in it as we bank in UK!! No comment on copy of UK account.

Re furniture ours came a few days after we did, no tax, but an in and out and visit to customs in Lefkosa, but again no money. Nothing unwrapped before arriving at house and paid 5 tl for tv!! Certainly the agent never mentioned any tax of any sort.



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Our container arrived on 28th December, whilst we were in TRNC. We had to get a letter from the Mukhtar and only needed to produce our passports and a copy of our house contract. Actually we only saw his wife who produce it with no problem - wasn't sure if we needed to pay her so had a 20 lira note in my hand. I asked her if there was a cost and - you guessed it, it was 20 lira. Didn't mind though as the family are obviously in need. We then went to Girne police station for our list of 'ins and outs'. As it was so close to New Year and we were only around for a few days, Jo Valentines' agent went to Famugusta to check on the container without us. We met his son at customs later that day, where we produced our documents then the container came to our house (without customs men) next day. Nothing had been opened and only duty to be paid on two TVs (not ours) as you are allowed one TV without duty. The whole thing was painless, thanks to the professionalism of Jo and her tea



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message above should say "and her team" - last letter lost in transit.



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In,out,in,out shake it all about. Still none the wiser.



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