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stevefingers



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Could you please name the (enforced) non smoking pubs and restaurants in the Catalkoy area.

Sorry to be such a bore but I really struggle with my breathing with smokey rooms.



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Steve, Most Establishments enforce the no smoking law now, as the fines are so big.

Nick



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If you find a bar or restaurant where smoking is allowed, I would suggest that firstly you ask them why it is allowed,and secondly you could be nasty and report them. I have found only one place that is flaunting the law, and most restaurants I know have been visited by the authorities who have put them firmly in the picture as to what they may and maynot do.

Everyone's health is at risk where smoking is allowed (even if smokers try to say otherwise), so, you should be able to gointo any estbalishment and enjoy a smoke free atmosphere.

Good luck.



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if you find any that allow smoking give me a shout please



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thanks for saying that Kev we only thought it )



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Are the casinos exempt from the NO SMOKING rule as my wife and I,with friends,were out on Saturday night to a casino ( no names ) and there were people smoking,in fact they gave out cigs with a lighter to those who asked ?

This was in the resturant as well.



Maz


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Ouch! I think (and I mean 'think) that casinos c\an be exempt (I would have to double check on that), but NOT in any restaurant. Whilst there may be facility for those hooked on gambling to continue to be hooked on smoking, I am pretty sure that is NOT allowed near food.

As I say, would have to do homework on that, but believe it or not I was in Dorana Hotel and the Manager insisted that the smoking ban was only in the south. No matter what I said, I could not convince him. Haven't double checked on that, but he was wrong, wrong wrong. Furthermore when I went to starbucks in the south last week there were ashtrays on the table inside. Wow!!!



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Yes the casinos are exempt. This is very unfair for the restaurants here. If there is to be a ban then it should apply to everyone. Some restaurants would choose to allow smoking & others would ban it if given a choice.

Why are the Casinos exempt? - Money Talks.



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Msg 1. Just go to the restaurants that are enforcing the law, if the locals want to smoke in their restaurants, then let them. Then surely everyone is happy.

Or perhaps all the people caught smoking anywhere should be lined up and shot, that would solve the problem.



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Passive smoking is as daft as global warming, and brought about by the same dishonesty.

If you don't smoke don't start, but leave us smokers in peace. I would be quite happy, as most smokers would, to have smoking and no smoking areas, but this witch-hunt is as ridicules as the GCs attacks on the TCs. Wake up and smell the coffee.



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We would smell the coffee if it were'nt for the smoke!!



Maz


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This 'witch hunt' as referred to is not special to north Cyprus. It has been creeping around the world during the past decade or so., We were in Australia when it came in, and in spite of the outcry, people are happy. Youcna'tg even smoke at an outdoor firework display!!!!

As to smoking area,s it is allowed by law. And i know of some restaurants that are endeavouring to provide a semi-outdoor space (i.e. with roof and heating) where smokers can go (take a look at Gloria Jeans - the new one in Kyrenia, and you will see what I mean)

As to saying 'let the locals smoke if they want; - I am sorry, but theytoo will be in for a hefty fine if caught, and whilst one might say these paternalistic laws are over the top, it is already proven in some countries that the incidence of heart attacks are down, and so the law is making people healthier. Will pay havoc with pension schemes, though, as people will live longer!

Nothing (as yet) to stop you smoking in your own home.



Troodo


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Then why have the death from cancer not gone down? And why are the governments not giving figures for the deaths of ex-smokers, some dying only months after giving up? When I tried to give up my weight shot up to nearly nineteen stone and I was heading for a heart attack; and for the first time in my life I was diagnosed diabetic, the doctors said it was because I was overweight.



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I appreciate we are in a minority, but you have my backing Troodo.



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HEALT WARNING:



If you rate your health,STAY INDOORS!!!



I wont be,IT's TOO HEALTHY !!



May I also take this opportunity to tell you guys that ALCHOHOL is also bad for your health.Then again I dont drink(very occasionaly),so I suppose,it wouldnt be right for me to tell you NOT TO DRINK,or would it?



I can say one thing though,





















GET A LIFE OF YOUR OWN and STOP INTERFERING WITH OTHERS.



snd1966


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i have never seen anyone smoking in happy valley since the ban has come in



snd1966


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forgot to add how quiet all of the eating places seem to be since the new year - so come on you non smokers fill those restaurants or they will be shut for us who do not mind smoke or have partners that smoke when the bars go outside. Wish the law was the establishment had a choice of being smoking or non smoking which clearly had to be advertised and allow people to make up their own minds whether to attend.



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they keep on in england about how much smoking cost the nhs, but what they fail to tell you they raise 5 times more than it cost the nhs in duty, so who is going to pay the difference non smokers if the smokers give up smoking



fiendishpaul


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Nobody is stopping anyone from smoking. You are just prevented from smoking in certain areas. Are people that desperate that they cannot take themselves outside to smoke. It is the law, deal with it.



As for the cancer figures, smoking contributes to a number of different cancers but this disease also affects many none smokers. It can also take many many years to show itself. You will not get any reliable figures for a long time yet.



P.S. I am an ex-smoker who still loves the smell of a cigarette and I would never argue against a persons right to smoke. However, even when I smoked, I would never light up in a restaurant as I thought that it was unfair to those who had paid good money to enjoy their meal.



Just my opinion of course



Paul



GreenArmy


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Privately owned establishments should be permitted to choose whether they allow smoking or not. Everyone can then choose where to support and more importantly , businesseS will not fail because the smokers, who usually like a drink too, will not attend or stay long if they have to go outside to smoke.

The H&S Gestapo won't be happy until they've banned tobacco sales full stop but the governments' wont let that happen as they like the tax revenue.Alcohol will be next on the hit list, followed by fatty foods etc.

Future generations will probably be fitted with some sort of monitors and when you've consumed your quota of booze/ fat for the week, lights will flash at the H&S Gestapo offices and you'll be in trouble LOL !



Troodo


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Why can't people understand about passive smoking?!!!



Because many of us have more than 2 brain cells and can recognise a scam when we see one. Global warming, passive smoking, dummying down on education, more finds and intrusions into your life, encouraging PC and health and safety, 364+ organisations that can enter your home without your authority, and on and on have you not got it yet?



Sorry for the rant, but sometimes I despair.



everon


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yesterday we were in Horseshoe Bay restaurant. The owner tried to stop my husband going outside for a cigarette, "ok, smoke in here" she said. My husband never smokes inside as I have never smoked. All the locals were smoking inside and eating! We had a drink and left.



Lilli



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hi everon. it looks like one rule for locals and a different rule for the rest of us xx



catalkoykid


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where's the horseshoe bay sounds good to me



everon


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follow the western coast road, turning right by the 'night clubs' it's not hard to find, it's well sign posted. We will wait now and go again in summer.



deecyprus4


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HA HA HA everon, we will be there, I am sick of being told what to do, I am 60 years old and I will do as I like.



I do not think there is any health risk with passive smoking as all the so called nasty stuff goes in the smoker and only the smoke residue comes out.



I say gather all the non smokers, put them on an island and blow it up lol.



GreenArmy


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I once read that everyone in the world could stand side by side on the Isle of Wight, so allowing for population increase since then there should be plenty of room for all the non smokers lol !



everon


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so Dee you want to blow me up!! nice!!!! lol



judyr


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You might be interested to know that the owner of Horseshoe bay is the Murtagh!!



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Yorgozlu/Msg 15:



Good on ya, sport - give 'em the bl00dy message!



Do I detect a note of whingeing from some people reading this?



Stiff sh1t!



Troodo


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Dee said. I do not think there is any health risk with passive smoking as all the so called nasty stuff goes in the smoker and only the smoke residue comes out.



Then you would be along side the man who discovered the link between smoking and cancer, I think his name was Bell. He said that, but Ash responded with, 'he has a right to his opinion.' Scientists who try to tell the world he was right lost there funding and still have no voice. Don't we not have a right to their opinion in a free country?



Off again, sorry.



Troodo


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Has anyone seen those daft films where they cover the cigarettes. I watched a film about Churchill the other night and every time he had a cigar, they covered it with what looked like a cartoon lettuce leaf. And you think these people are sane?



stevefingers



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Thanks to the people who answered my post.

I also found it quite amusing that some of you are incapable of a rational answer.



GreenArmy


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Beware the Health & Safety Gestapo. They would rule the world and everyone will live to a ripe old age in abject poverty and boredom lol !



Jeannie


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steve - message 33.



Yup; nothing like a debate about smoking/no smoking to render people irrational



Jean (a smoker, incidentally)



parkview



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This is a serious question but if smoking bothered everyone as much as they say why did you not choose a country to live in where there was ALREADY a smoking ban in place? Everyone knows that middle eastern countries have a smoking tradition. If you don't like it don't come. I wonder how many people would give up cars if the government said the same thing re fuel emissions which has been proved to be as harmful if not more so? Just a thought!



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"Beware the Health & Safety Gestapo. They would rule the world and everyone will live to a ripe old age in abject poverty and boredom lol ! "



Tell that to the all too many workers who have died through poor safety standards and continue to do so across the globe. Think about asbestos, coal dust, gas fumes to name but three. How many of those who pooh pooh H & S would work under the conditions that workers in NC have to put up with? I think not.



As for passive smoking not being a health hazard, to what research can you point to that would give 100% guarantee that it's not harmful?



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I saw it on a tv programme years ago, a professor said passive smoking being harmful was rubbish, he also said that it wasn't necessary to drink 2 litres of water a day as water is in everything i.e coffee, tea etc, he said a lot of things that all made sense to me, just cant remember his name.



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Yesterday BBC reported that Greece is having an awful time trying to enforce the smoking ban as people just refuse to stop smoking in bars etc. Basically the bar owners have bowed to public pressure and let their customers smoke therefore ignoring the law!!!



Chris



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just cant remember his name.



Dee, precisely.



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Since his death, Roy Castle's name has been used almost exclusively by anti smoking ... by the anti smoking movement as proof that passive smoke kills. ... Roy Castle, a life long non smoker, died of lung cancer caused by passive smoke. ...



catalkoykid


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my grand father died of lung cancer never smoked and worked with horses,in that case sienna i think we should shoot all horses,like global warming no concrete evidence,alot of it is genetic you get whole familys die of heart disease,others with cancer,



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tell me about my sisiterin law is having treatment fo rlung cancer as I speak secondaries from bowel cancer !!! I too have suffered cancer !



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Troodo. The fact you gave up smoking and put weight on which you made you overweight, did the GP not tell you stop eating so much? giving up smoking does not give you a heart attack.



petemate


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Regardless of the health issue, smoking in enclosed places with no extraction is most unpleasant to both smokers and non smokers alike.

Smokers are usually the most inconsiderate, lighting up while other people are eating without any concern for their comfort. I think it is far more pleasant to go into bars and restaurants now the ban is in place.



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Welcome,

to the world of Political Correctness.



There is no evidence passive smoking causes any more harm than breathing woodsmoke.

Just like there was never any actual evidence leaded petrol caused any harm. At least it wasn't carsenagenic !



#1 problem in the world is obesity, fact.



The mentality of now covering up what is being smoked on the movies is ridiculously amusing.

The more you try and ban things that are deemed wrong or bad for you by the P-C Dictatorship; the more people will do it. It's the contrariness of human nature.

Smoking has worsened and illegal imports of cheap cigarettes/tobacco has become a major headache because of this mentality.



Yet alcohol, which is a scandal on a global scale, isn't drummed on about in anywhere near the same fashion. Yet it kills tens of thousands of innocent pedestrians & other road users every year. I've yet to see a smoker be responsible for killing or maiming anyone.



We learn from history that we don't learn from hi



Woodspeckie


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www.cyprus-mail.comIn the South - 197 people in January caught smoking in bars and restaurants, some given on the spot fines some going to court. 104 owners also fined for letting people smoke on their premises.



Troodo


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Woodspeckie. Money for old rope that will help the depleted coffers. Next it will be extra tax on fags - after all that is what this is really about.



snd1966


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Greenarmy - totally agree with you - Privately owned establishments should be permitted to choose whether they allow smoking or not. At least then the owner who knows his customers can make a decision especially if over the winter he depends on a wet trade which generally smoke.

I would like to know the places where people are hanging out as all the five restuarants /bars we visited on sunday evening all stated the smoking ban had effected their trade. Smokers admit they are staying at home. I just hope some of them are still here come next winter as i can see restaurants shutting for the winter period so they can release their staff etc.



stevefingers



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All I said was, 'Are there any non-smoking pubs etc'.

It's because of my ill health.



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steve we are all supposed to be now. we enforce it and have done since last year xxx



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Good to read the usual Brit ex-pat drivel which, after all the responses, still has not addressed the original question.Apart from good old Lilli!!



GreenArmy


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Might I suggest that fellow smokers privately mail other like minded individuals so we can all support those businesses refusing to bow down to the H&S Gestapo. And don't tell the others as they'll grass on these places.



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I've given up going out in the evenings or going out for Sunday lunch as I'm a smoker and would like to smoke inside when it's cold/rainy/windy. So I've decided staying at home where I can smoke freely is much better (and cheaper).



GreenArmy


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Same here Claire. More closures will follow and all because people cannot get their heads around private establishments being allowed to choose whether to allow smoking or not.

What are they so worried about. Would every place allow smoking ? Surely there are parts of the market to be cornered? All those who don't want to be near smokers use one place and we use another. What the hell is the problem ?



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Also, maybe restaurants and bars could state whether they have a Smoking Area/covered Area WITH SEATS for smokers, in their adverts in the local papers to save a wasted journey.



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Mssg #52 quote.... "Good to read the usual Brit ex-pat drivel which, after all the responses, still has not addressed the original question. Apart from good old Lilli!!...."



It's what Forums like these are all about.....

You don't use them as a serious reference surely!



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Sid447/Msg 57 -



Lighten up, sport - drivel, or a good ol' 'chin-wag'?



The latter, methinks!



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If people want to smoke then let them - I'm a non smoker BUT PLEASE YOU SMOKERS pick up your fag ends when you finish - I hate sitting on a beach or a park where smokers think they have the right to use the floor space as an ashtray!! Yuk!!



Have a nice day



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Message 50



Stevefingers



There are many non-smoking bars,



NOW!



Sid447


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Tenakoutou re your mssg #58,



suggest re-reading post #52 then #57.



Bright spark.



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we were talked into going to a cental Girne bar last night. Everyone seemeed to be smoking, including the bartender. A 4 group came in to watch the football, none of them seemed to smoke. They settled down to watch the match showing, Arsenal v Liverpool. About 10 minutes into the match the bartender approached the TV with the remote in one hand and a mobile phone in his other. He proceeded to channel surf, much to the chagrin of the 4 group. He finally settled on Aston Villa v Man U. At first the elder of the 4 group complained then settled down to watch the match. About 30 mins into the game a couple came in, both smoking, and asked the barman why Arsenal v Liverpool wasn't on. The barman began channel surfing again. The old guy complained and the couple decided to watch the match on a second TV. Just before 1/2 time, another couple came in, one smoking, they asked the barman re. the Spurs match. When the smoking barman began channel hopping again the 4 non-smokers drank up and left.



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Sid447/Msg 61:



Pilots shouldn't get stressed; an error of judgement might occur!



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Deport all these whinging smokers and leave all the drunkards, gluttons and criminals on this little piece of unspoilt heaven!!

I,m waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tin hat poised!



Redwine


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Well well all these non smokers get up my nose. If you don't like it go somewhere else and leave us alone. Bloody do gooders. petrol and diesel fumes are more toxic than smoke but you lot still get in cars.



Redwine


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by the way there are no non smoking bars in Catalkoy, girne, esesentepe, Nicosia, etc....... So now can we go in an smoke now that you lot are not there..



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