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NorthCove1


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22/02/2010 10:31

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Hi there,



We have an awaiting client looking for a Pre`74 Turkish Title property in the Kyrenia region, with a budget up to 180,000.



Should you have anything suitable please send details to; info@northcoveestates.com / sales@northcoveestates.com



Thank you!



StGeorgeI


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22/02/2010 12:01

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I've emailed you my friends details.



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Oleander


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22/02/2010 19:29

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Good to see there's still a demand for pre-74 title. It will be interesting to observe the price diversifying between Greek Cypriot title and Pre-74 as the months and years roll on.



Tenakoutou



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22/02/2010 19:41

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NorthCove1/msg 1:



When you've got a client with 300k to spend for a GENUINE pre '74 Turkish Title, 4 bdrm 'top property', please get in touch - but don't bring any 'tyre-kickers', or 'Dutch auction merchants' - thank you in anticipation of your interest.



Carbotec


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23/02/2010 08:00

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Hi Guys ......I have Turkish title land for sale Tel 0533 8304261



zcacmxi


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23/02/2010 09:18

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When pre-74 turkish title land is bought/sold is it registered in the land registry in the south?

I was under the impression that turkish owned land can not be bought/sold in the south, as the land reg in south has frozen all tc assets.



If the sale of pre-74 turkish title is only recorded in the land registry of the TRNC in the north, then the registration is as valid as any other, and it's registration will be effective with the recognition of the TRNC registry.



Similarly, if the original sale is not registered in the south, it would not stop the original pre-74 owner claiming ownership in the south if he/she changed mind.



If you are buying pre-74 title that has been sold many times since 74, and it's sale has never been registered in the south, then if 2 parties turn up in the south, when claiming to own it and the other wanting to buy it, I can see that it may not be straight forward if the original owner that is listed in their registry is not around!



erolz


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23/02/2010 09:33

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It is incorrect to assume that because the TRNC is not recognised as de jure government for the North of Cyprus, that anything it does, any certificates its issues are also not recognised internationally. THis is simply not the case.



Sales registered in and by the TRNC of land that is not subject to ownership dispute are recognised internationally. The RoC may claim to not recongise such but the rest of the world does and will , including the ECHR. What makes deeds registered in the north of disputed land not recognised is not that they are registered in and by the TRNC but the fact that the TRNC took control and ownership of this land post 74, and THAT is what is not recognised internationaly.



If I were to sell you pre 74 title land in the north, then go to the South and claim 'trespass' against you, even if the RoC upheld that action the ECHR would not.



zcacmxi


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23/02/2010 11:23

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Erolz,

Is it a fact that the ECHR would not uphold trespass action made by ROC against pre-74 turkish title? i.e, has there been a test case, or is it just your hope/opinion?



To me it seems that EU should not have accepted ROC as a member due to the unresolved issues, and should not rule either way on any property or issue involving Cyprus. It should postpone all decisions until after a comprehensive settlement....



I have little/NO faith left in EU or ECHR. They accepted ROC even though they said NO to annan. They continue to punish & isolate Turkish Cypriots..



I'm aware that there have been cases in the past of TC's trying to sell forsaken assets in the South. These were the same assets/properties that they also used to obtain esdeger points in the North, which they swapped for gc properties.



It's a complicated issue, and the EU / ECHR to date have not taken any decision that I can see that supports any property transaction registered in the TRNC registry office.



erolz


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23/02/2010 12:15

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It has not been tested in the ECHR.



However it is a well establish principle of international law that 'acts' by governments of unrecognised states are not automtiacly 'illegal' just by dint of the fact that the state and government are unrecognised. If you doubt this try searching for the Internation Court of Justice 'Namibia Opinion'. You could also try looking for the House of Lords ruling on the Carl Zeiss Stiftung V Rayner& Keeler case, where the House of lords held that effect could be given to the laws of East Germany, which was not recognised as a sate by Britain. It also found "where private rights, or acts of everyday occurance ... the courts may, in the interests of justice and common sense... give recognition to the actual facts or realites found to exist in the territory in question".



These are just some examples where the idea that just because a state or gevernment is unrecognised any act by that state is automaticaly legaly invalid



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erolz


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23/02/2010 12:21

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is just not true in 'international law'. Acts by unrecognised states and governments have been and are considered legaly valid under international law. Not every act is considered so, but there is not 'automatic' illegality of an act by an unrecognised state that many seem to assume.

Many things that should have happend in Cyprus have not happened.

For a TC to first sign over their rights to propterty in the South to the TRNC (or anyone else) and then to claim rights to that same property elsewhere is illegal, in the TRNC , in the RoC and anywhere else for that matter. I am not aware of a single case where this has been proven to have happened.



As to the ECHR not recognising any property transaction taken by the TRNC, this is just not the case. The IPC could not function if it were the case and the IPC was set up under instruction from the ECHR. When the IPC settles a claimaints case for compensation for land this is not registered in the RoC but remains legal for the ECHR.



NorthCove1


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 10:12

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SammieB



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 13:57

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NorthCove1



Is Incesu (near Riverside) too far out?



Pre 74 European title partially refurbished large old Cypriot house on 2 donums (2 pre 74 European Title deeds) Pool/landscaped gardens. Phone line. Well. Stunning views from huge bedroom terrace.



Call Sam - 0533 844 1864



eager


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25/02/2010 14:06

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SammieB, Have asked for details, Details on profile.



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