Good Article in the Turkish Press

Oleander


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 18:49

From the esteemed Hurriyet:



According to a ruling by the British appeals court in the Orams Case, third parties cannot acquire properties which used to belong to Cypriot Greeks from now on because the decisions of Cypriot Greek courts regarding properties in northern Cyprus will be applicable in Britain, according to the EU law.



That means the period of construction and sales of villas to middle-class Brits is over. And it is nonsense for a buyer from the Middle East or Turkey, who has no bonds with Cyprus, to buy a house in the desert climate of a water-poor island. Moreover, Cypriot Greek property owners are getting prepared to take the third parties to court for benefiting from the confiscated properties. It’s been said that the Brits who sojourned in the Dome Hotel in Girne (Kyrenia), which was originally owned by a Cypriot Greek, are about to face a court case.





http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=an-early-piece-on-cyprus-2010-02-19

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 19:29

The line that stood out for me was......"The Republic of Cyprus, which is a European Union member, an expert in offshore banking, has excellent relations with the Arab and Orthodox world, primarily Russia, and attracts three million tourists a year, can buy this"



"...an expert in offshore banking" Since when?

Oleander


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 19:35

Aren't they big in offshore banking, Bill?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 19:38

I don't think so.

greylag


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 19:39

Oleander,

Why should Turkey give a monkeys when there is always the middle east that they could play ball with."That means the period of construction and sales of villas to middle class brits is over".What about the swedes,Israelis and Russians,

Grey.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 19:46

Grey, according to the article the ROC has "excellent relations" with the Russians.

Oleander


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 19:49

Grey,



I reckon it would be wishful thinking indeed that Swedes, Russians and Israelis will come flocking to the TRNC to replace the departing Brits. You may get a few, but why would larger numbers gamble on the political instability and terrible infrastructure when there are so many alternatives in and around the EU and all within a short hop on a single flight? Scandanavians have traditionally headed for the south on their hols anyway.

dublinderm


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 19:50

Re: Offshore Banking



The Greek Cypriots have an offshore sector that is worth approximately 15% of their GDP. This sector has only been developing since the early 1990s. Provided funds were on deposit before EU accession, the accounts came remain 'offshore' from the EU.



The former President Papadopolous and his law firm were deeply implicated in handling (laundering) funds for the Serbs during the Balkans conflict. The GC Government(s) have been very sensitive on the issue as it seems that former Serbian warlords still have large sums on deposit in GC banks.



To a GC Bosnian Muslim = Turk, Kosovar Albanian = Turk.



The GCs will help anyone who they think is against their ancient enemy (or their proxies).



DD

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 19:52

Regarding Oleanders reference to 'departing Brits' - how many 'Brits' have departed say, this year? Does anyone know.?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 20:07

REW msg 6, N1Doyen : (...) according to the article the ROC has "excellent relations" with the Russians. (...)

=> Of course. Both countries bow to the same religion with their orthodox potentates (in 2010!) and both countries still have a communist party (in 2010!)...

barnaclebill


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 20:11

Whats to stop the Turkish mainlanders coming in and buying as holiday homes.They wouldnt give a toss about the instability or infrastructure .Money from the mainland / USA willl soon put right any abnormalities.



A question I have always wanted to ask ,where are all these brits that are supposed to be living in GC houses ??I dont no any personally and if I did I would say they were stupid for buying that property.



I do no loads that live on complexes built on GC land that used to be Arid /Grazing/ Desolate donnums of scrubland so what compensation will be due for this type of land.There is a hell of a difference between tresspass on a piece of scrubland and trespass in someones property.



Someone please enlighten ???

greylag


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 20:55

Mess 7,

"Scandinavians have traditionally headed for the South" not any more,

Grey.

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 21:16

Certainly, Turkey will have seriously considered the outfall from the judgment passed by the UK Court of Appeal in the Appostalides v Orams case. Turkey is very reliant upon trade with Europe. She has a customs agreement with the UK and trade between these two countries is bouyant and productive.

Buisness with Turkey is already predominantly in Euros. Turkey currently needs european trade.

I do not think that Turkey will ever desert of sacrifice the TRNC. However the protective stance that she takes over Northern Cyprus could prove very expensive and the loss is likely to be significant. I well imagine that Turkey has massive asspiration to boost trade and diplomatic relations with the BRIC economies that are outside Europe.

Property in the TRNC is indeed, at the moment, tainted. Some political settlement and recognition for the region is now more critical than ever. The task has,however, become significantly more challenging than it was say two months ago.

Oleander


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 21:25

barnaclebill msg 11,



What is to stop Turkish mainlanders buying holiday homes in TRNC, you ask? Probably because they can get better "weekend homes" as some call them back in Turkey with no hassles. I haven't noticed many Turks buying in the TRNC, have you? Also note the Hurriyet's own analysis (it's a respected Turkish newspaper):



"It is nonsense for a buyer from the Middle East or Turkey, who has no bonds with Cyprus, to buy a house in the desert climate of a water-poor island."



As for your other comment about Brits buying houses built on scrub land, it makes little difference if Greek Cypriots are the legal owners. The Orams bought a house built on former agricultural land and look what happened to them.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 21:39

msg14, why dont you stick to being a professor on the souths board ???????????????

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
24/02/2010 23:27

oleander



what is your point,the north is the north and the south is the south ,why don,t you just enjoy the peace.





musin





long live the kktc

Maz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 00:05

What point are you REALLY making Oleander? Israelis and Russians are putting in quite a bit of money here in moving in and working and investing in new builds (maybe on former G.C land -shock, horror, gasp. )Brits are not leaving by the boat or plane load, and any who are living here came for reasons outside of greed or the 'theft' of which they stand accused by the south. And don't forget all the happy G.C's who come over the border for a bit of a gamble!

And don't forget that even with the current 'crisis' property prices here are more than a half less than in the south, and maybe that is why investors are still coming.



The article did not seem to contain absolute truth, but then 'truth' seems to be seen by different lens, north to south!



But again, I ask you, Oleander - just what point are you trying to make????

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 12:19

Oleander is a sniper...it is, after all, a very poisonous bush.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:23

Turkish mainlanders buying 'pre 1974 Turkish Title Deed properties in TRNC (since 2004) are (that mandatory word: 'allegedly', again!) refused PTP, therefore can't get their Koçan - our neighbours are proof of this!

erolz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 14:28

Tenakoutou because you know of one person who is having trouble getting PTP on pre 74 Turkish title land this is proof that no one is getting such PTP ? That seems to be what you are saying.

Oleander


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:19

MarieB,



Maybe we are in different Cypruses wherer wishful thinking substitutes reality. I agree there has been some Russian and Israeli speculation - BEFORE the international recession and pre-Orams - but there's not a lot happening now, is there? We are now in a different world since these two events.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 16:22

Oleander

What is your take on the legality of the TRNC?

Maz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 20:19

Sorry, Oleander, you didn't answer my question, but I will try to answer yours! From what I can gather from Estate Agents I know, the post Orams has had very little effect on the market (and I know there are many GC's who would like to rub their hands with glee to hear that it has). The real effect on the market now is the winter time, but it would otherwise appear to be 'business as usual', as it is with the GC's coming over to the Casinos.



So, as the French would say , with a better accent ' rien ce change'



So another question to you - do you WANT it to be worse?????

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 20:37

marieb



of course he does ,that,s why the heading reads ,,,,good article in the turkish press,,,,.



i think that answers it.



musin



long live the kktc

greylag


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:13

Dont let the b******* get you down.What goes around comes around.Its about time some good luck/news headed North and i think it will.I think Oleander just put that on to stoke up some emotions and try and rub salt in.Well it wont work with me.I took a chance and invested in Northern Cyprus and there is no way i will be running anywhere."good article in the Turkish press" only good for staring the crap Oleander,

Grey.

barnaclebill


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:31

Oleander ,

I would think that the gc will have enough on there plates shortly Wait until the brits in the south start taking you to court with regards to their plight in the deeds situation down there.Or is it one rule for them and one for us .You are nothing but a bl---y hippocrate

BB

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:38

dont you get it yet , this is pikeys new name , ignore him ,he will go away again ?

Oleander


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:44

MarieB,



Re do I want things to get worse, anything which affects the Turkish Cypriots causes me the most concern because they are the real victims of political events.

greylag


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:47

Rowlo,

Please excuse my ignorance but who the hells Pikey.Is it him from dads army,

Paul.

Oleander


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:50

barnaclebill,



I don't engage with people who trade personal insults and I didn't think moderators allowed it on this BB.



greylag,



I thought you were a big fan of the Turkish press. Is it only when they print stuff you agree with?



rowlo,



You are seriously clutching at straws.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:56

you know him then oleander ? greylag ,you dont wanna know ?

greylag


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 21:56

Oleander,

Please explain mess 30 and whose Pikey.Genuine question,

Grey.

barnaclebill


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 22:03

Msg 30

Tell that to the moderators on your other board. Once again the hippocrate" Dont do as I do,Do as I say "Eh, and you wonder why there is mistrust, spend some time reading throgh the Vile and Venom on your Forum

BB

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 22:08

barnaclebill - reading some of the posts on the other Forum, I wasn't aware that they had moderators???



PS "Pike" has also proved himself to be very unpopular on there, also.

Maz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 22:12

Thought everyone knew who Pikey (or S-pikey) was. He contributes to another board. His contributions appeared to be somewhat s-piked, but everyne may have their own opinion. Freedom of speech and all that!

What is not good is when people start throwing stones at others, cos it just makes people hurt, angry, upset etc, and seems to be a microcosm of what is happening with the talks over the years.



To Oleander - thanks for the comment. I think the TC's have been victims, and anyone who is fully conversant with Cypriot history will know that, and there are those who feel that their 'salvation' in 1974 has presented them with other problems. But the world changes, and Cyprus has changed a lot since 1974, slo finding a way forward that is equal, fair, just and balanced seems to getmore difficult with each year.



When I lived in the south, I felt sorry for many innocent people who were refugees - they too were the victims of the power drunk few. Let's all hope (and pray, if you d

Maz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 22:13

..... do pray that the future will be good for everyone living on this island - and I mean EVERYONE. Or do I just bdelieve in miracles?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 22:15

you been on the wine marieb ,lmao ?

greylag


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 22:34

Sorry Marie,

Not a regular on here so wasnt aware about this sort of thing with Pikey,

Grey.

Maz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 23:05

No, Rowlo, sorry to disappoint you, but I am a caffeine addict, and that together with water keeps me going. But please interpret 'Imao'? I am not sloshed, but I appear to be ignorant. Sorry

greylag


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 23:14

Marie B.

Could mean i.m.h.o. in my honest opinion,

Grey.

Maz


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 23:23

Thanks Greylag, but the letters are i.m.a.o . So what is that? 'In my analytical opinion' or 'In my alcoholic opinion' or what??

greylag


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Message Posted:
25/02/2010 23:26

Marie B,

Perhaps Rowlo has been on the wine gums,

Grey.

erolz


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Message Posted:
26/02/2010 07:16

Just for info Marei B the lmao in msg is L not I in the first character and it stands for laugh my a** off.



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lmao

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/02/2010 13:13

Erolz. Thats funny. lmaoairta ) )

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
26/02/2010 13:45

this ruling only affects those people who have assets in the UK - move your assets out the uk and you will have not problems.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
26/02/2010 14:06

But even if you have moved lock stock and barrel to the TRNC, if your pension is paid from Britain, this can be seen as an asset and therefore seized.

erolz


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Message Posted:
26/02/2010 15:25

Re msg 46



Just to be accurate and to the best of my limited knowledge,



The lump sum that 'is' your pension can not be touched via court orders. The regular income provided by a pension can be 'garnished' to meet court order but not such that doing so would leave the subject desititute.



Re msg 44 - have to admit that 'lmaoairta' was a new on to me but once again urban dictionary came up with the answer



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lmaoairta



personaly I prefer rofpmsl ;)