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Chris


Joined: 26/03/2008
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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 01:10

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If they can get builders electic to a site why cant they get mains electric, where does it come from???



Puzzled,



Chris



Tiggy


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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 01:40

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Builders electric is usually a 3 phase temporary supply from providers. for several units usually new poles and lines have to be installed.



Chris


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22/06/2008 02:14

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So , if they are fed from a mains unit , (somewhere) how can they work out how much an individual has to pay on a site with nobody else on, that is being fed from (somewhere) with ??? builders or others using it?



If there is electric to the site(for builders), why cant they provide permanent electric to the villa, as electric is fed by underground cables



Who is paying for the builders electric???



Tiggy


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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 03:56

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Questions...questions.....I would imagine most of the lecky is bypassed from the mains. they do a guesstamate on how much you owe. Only a meter will say how much you have used and if you know the price of the units you can work out roughly what is owed. Remember we are in the land of overcharging!



cyprusishome


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22/06/2008 08:28

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No estimate, they charge you a minimum of 500 units per house on site connected to supply.



Interesting though, we asked why we paid 567 units last month. Ans. cos it was a 34 day period between reading. Asked the manager in Girne who told us this "what happens when it is a 26 day month". Answer silence!!!!!!!!



I am sorry but I must apologise to this BB for defending the PIO. They are f***ing useless. All they did was hand us from manager to manager at Kib Tec who, because our knowledge of Turkish is limited, took the rise out of us!!!



It seems the government are using Kib Tec as a source of revenue to top up the negative equity.



wynyardman



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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 09:39

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Calm down,



You'll blow a fuse!



wyn



Chris


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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 09:51

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Thank you for all your answers, still have a feeling I am about to be ripped off!My builder has suddenly magiced builders electric out of thin air,told us the mains electric is going to take 12 months to get to the site, two days ago it was going to take 2 months, before that (last week) it was going to take 6 months, and all because my final payment is not due until all facillities are in place, and he is liable for compensation if they are not.

So basically I will live on a bomb site, (dont know what they are going to do about the water,) with builders electric and he wants final payment!



In my next life I am coming back as a builder!!



Chris



Tatlisu4me


Joined: 26/01/2008
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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 10:34

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I am coming back as an electrician !



wynyardman



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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 10:48

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After buying in the TRNC, I don't think I want to come back at all.



wyn



cyprusishome


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22/06/2008 10:51

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wynyardman,



When you live it 24 hours a day unfortunatley your sort of comment of "calm Down" is like a red rag to a bull. It is like the others who say pull yourself together when you are suffering from a nervous breakdown or similar. NOT HELPFUL.



It has taken 2 weeks to get to type that and I am perfectly calm. If you would offer some advice as to how to tackle the problem or indeed help all of us in the same position pay the bill we would be grateful.



Did you know builders electric is charged at a rate 3 times the domestic per unit rate. We use on average, according to a meter, about 160 units per month and we are charged a minimum of 500 units.



Then you get screwed by an ENGLISH family who plug in to the box and we get stung for 2 months payments of 500 units per month when they left without paying.



Work out for yourself why we get annoyed!!!!!!!!!!!!



Chris,



Join the club, unfortunatley not an elite one. Can offer no help or advice from our experience except under no circumstance pay your builder.



wynyardman



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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 10:59

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Chris,



I am sorry we cannot help. Poor.........but not in spirit!

I do however know a man, who has lots of money,...........mine!!!!



A builder you may have met,



wyn



joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 13:31

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I agree with Cyprusishome - do not pay your builder. We have been on builders electric since 2005. We have full mains supply with a meter but Kib-tec insist we build a sub-station at a cost of 45k (well it was that price in 2006 probably double now). Builder wont pay and nor will majority of neighbours so we are at stalemate. At least with a meter we are paying only for our usage but at 3 times the price.



wynyardman



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22/06/2008 13:37

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joandjelly,



That is a horrendous story.

Some of these builders are unconscionable.

Whose respondsibility was the substation in the contract?

Can you not sue for the overcharges,retrospectively?



wyn



Chris


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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 14:10

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Think I am going to say I want what it states in my contract, or I am going to pull out of this.

I have already paid out 50.000 and was hoping, after the sale of my house, to invest in high interest account and maybe help towards living costs etc, but after finding out about all the hidden charges, the fact my contract is useless, and the amount they fleece the Brits for, I dont know if I want to live there, and anyway, at this rate I wont have any money left!!



Chris :(



joandjelly


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22/06/2008 14:17

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The problem is Wyn there was no mention of sub-stations in the contract as in 2004 it was not an issue. Our contract says "the construction will be finished completely by xxx together with supply of electricity and water to the property". Because there was already electricity on site going to three existing houses that are owned by the land owner we thought it would not be an issue. By the time all the houses were finished in 2006 Kib-tec were now forcing all developments to have sub-stations. This was obviously not budgeted for by the builder and he can't/won't pay. We were asked to contribute 3k each and whilst we did not want to pay this extra amount we took the view that it was the only way we would get the electric. Some neighbours refuse to pay and we are now nearly 2 years on and no further forward.



Chris


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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 14:36

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Hi joandjelly,

Did it state on your contract that electric and water would be bought to the site at the expense of the vendor, and that you only had to pay for the electric meter?



Chris



w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 15:48

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The fact remains that without a Kocan, we are all but squatters, with no rights at all and the builder can fleece you regardless for anything. Indeed, regardless of registration of your contract at the DLO, the landowner could, if he wished, sell your property at any time. Obviously you would be notified, but you would have to enter into lengthy litigation to prevent a sale. The loopholes in the law are firmly stacked against the purchaser.



We took the view that our contract and any proposed subsequent "contracts" are worthless. Therefore we refused, and are still refusing to throw any more money at the problem. We paid in full for our property - for all the work to be done, and personally I won't pay anymore whether it goes on for the rest of my life! It makes no difference how much money you pay, and how many contracts you enter into - the work will not be done, so don't be fooled into parting with anymore.



joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
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Message Posted:
22/06/2008 16:50

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Chris



It doesn't go into that much detail. It says the builder will build a house and that house will have electricity. We practically re-wrote the whole contract to try and protect ourselves in the event of late delivery, compensation, etc, but at the time (early 2004) there wasn't the same issues with electricity as there are now and we had no idea there would be a problem. Either way I think it is irrelevant because I agree with w26kay that contracts are worthless. The facts are that the builder will not pay and at the moment nor will some of the property owners. In my opinion it would be a complete waste of time and money to try to take him to court. Personally I think Kib-tec should have taken into consideration when the development was started and just put the electric we already have (which as stated before is proper, full voltage electric being delivered down existing, recently upgraded cables) into our names. In my view that is all that is required but they want us to pay for infrastructure for the future. I don't have a problem with this concept but it is unfair for them to impose this retrospectively on us and the builder.



kibrissibel


Joined: 18/02/2008
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Message Posted:
23/06/2008 09:34

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Have you signed the petition to amend the Specific Performance Law?







Without a change in this law, it means you cannot take action against your vendor to compel them to transfer the title deeds to you. Thus some unscrupulous developers are not adhering to their side of the contract and are not willing to transfer the deeds to the buyers, using this a leveridge to extract extra funds from purchasers.







Please see this weeks edition of Cyprus Today (June 21-27), who are covering this very important issue.







The petition was started some time ago by Ismet Ustuner, a very helpful and knowledgeable member of this board where legal matters are concerned. The petition is backed by the HBPG.







This is the link to the petition:



http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petitioncyprus/index.html



joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
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Message Posted:
23/06/2008 14:55

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I have signed Sibel. Good article in CT by the way. Congratulations to you and Ismet for bringing this to everyone's attention.



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