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greenman


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22/04/2010 22:43

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Think this is a balanced review of the current role the EU and Turkey can play in finding a solution to the Cyprus issue. The EU's 'foolish' decision to allow the RoC to become an EU member is not said often enough.

http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15954242



andy-f


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22/04/2010 23:03

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most sensible article ive read on this issue , well done the economist.



andy



No1Doyen


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22/04/2010 23:13

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Well balanced article.



Lilli



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22/04/2010 23:58

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from what i read even the FT had a view, they know us xxxxxxx



smooth


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22/04/2010 23:59

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a good article and thanks for posting it greenman. It does sum up the situation for the north. The direct trade vote will be the test here as it will put pressure on the GC's. They did cheat their way into the EU and want to remain victims in the eyes of the world, this has changed since the referendum, and like the article has said, they have been "negotiating" for 35 years, no armed conflict in the interim and crossing the borders has become easier. We are LIVING the solution, just need the GC's veto to be nullified and allow direct flights then watch the TRNC take off!



andre 514


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23/04/2010 00:04

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still adopting the agenda that cypriots don't know what's good for them



'course, a well-intentioned english mag bleating away on the fringe of europe,

doesn't really know what it is to lose a family home let alone a family member



...perhaps that's the reason why the cypriots seem so darned obdurate?



yorgozlu



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23/04/2010 00:58

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re msg 6;

andre 514;



Spot on.You have well and truly summed it up.

"trust" is a small word but has a big concept.

However,WE (TCS/GCs)must make it look as if we are doing something in the eyes of REST OF THE WORLD.



Lilli



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23/04/2010 01:08

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whilst i really understand your cause and would hate to be part of it, Irish like your wife yourg.we had it al like you. please be to god your ,imr or whatever we find peace , You know most bought here as for the beauty, the value etc, we need to retain that xxxxxx



MarkVPiazza


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23/04/2010 11:49

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I think this line says it all



"Indeed, France and Germany shamelessly use Cyprus as another excuse to keep Turkey out."



How can anyone expect the EU to assist, when it's two major members don't want a solution?



Good luck Mr Eroglu, I'm sure you won't fall for any of the EU's tricks and schemes



Middle Easter


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23/04/2010 12:25

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MarkV - all because France & Germany are dragging their feet re Turkey getting into the EU doesn't implicitly mean they do not want a solution to the Cyprus problem (or am I reading your positing incorrectly?)



MarkVPiazza


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France and Germany (et al) do not want Turkey in the EU, but are afraid to say this to Turkey's face.



Cyprus is a convenient stumbling block created by the EU on behalf of France & Germany & others.



If the EU had wanted to solve the Cyprus problem, they would have (and should have by their own laws) only allowed a united Cyprus to join, i.e. no agreement on the Annan Plan in 2004 = no Cyprus entry into the EU.



rdsteve


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23/04/2010 15:20

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If the RoC had not joined the EU there would have been no money going into the North so it is not all bad



Steve



MarkVPiazza


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23/04/2010 16:24

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Turkey = $600m per year

EU = 259 over 6 years and counting



If the RoC hadn't been given admission without an agreement, maybe they would have voted "YES" and these problems would have been solved



Simple



frontalman



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24/04/2010 09:11

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Mark, I think it was a bit more than 259 euros, wasn't it?



andre 514


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if the south of cyprus had actually voted "yes" as edxpected in 1974,

then the unionists on this forum wouldn't have needed to be so creative

in picturing an end to the de-facto partition of the island



if the direct trade agreement leads to a rapprochment between the eu and turkey

we'll all have a ringside seat if turkey ditches cyprus in return for various promises



if anyone still imagines there can be one single solution to solve the cyprus question,

they are in danger of ignoring the fact that some cyprus problems are already solved



phew!



girne 29


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24/04/2010 14:14

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Mark

'France and Germany (et al) do not want Turkey in the EU, but are afraid to say this to Turkey's face.'



France and Germany afraid of Turkey?Dont think so, they ,especially Germany are quite capable of looking after themselves. I think its more that they dont want to risk future trade, rather than fear.





The Cyprus Problem is of no interest to the average european,and what happens in regards of Cyprus will have no consequence either way on what the EU electorate.wants. If the people of Europe will it ,Turkey will get in ,if not, they wont.Personally I dont believe they will get in so perhaps it would be better for the cards to be laid on the table now and stop wasting time.



andre 514


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agree totally girne 29



like the cyprus talks the grinding eu negociations will only peter out

when one side or the other "blinks" first



now I suppose I'll be accused, yet again, of "wanting" one outcome

rather than another



ho hum...



Jetski


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24/04/2010 20:38

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Girne 29 - all points are totally correct. Lets see what happens to Greece now. RoC to follow.



rcroton


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24/04/2010 21:38

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Good article, always good to read the comments as well!!



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