Kestrel cruelty at Pembegul Garden Centre, Ozankoy

ozankoys


Joined: 20/06/2008
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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 15:40

This garden centre has captured a beautiful kestrel which they have imprisoned in a tiny cage. Please please if you go in there do suggest that this is the wrong thing to do with a wild bird & they should let it go free or else boycott the place - we certainly left in a hurry instead of buying any plants.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 15:42

That is so cruel, Did you suggest to them to let it free x

ozankoys


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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 15:44

Yes we did

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 16:03

This bird is likely to be a 'Lady Eleanor Falcon' - this is the most common bird of prey throuhout Cyprus. Held in captivity as an adult, even if fed correctly, it is very liable - almost a certainty - to pine away (for its freedom, or mate) and soon die, unless it has been captive from being a young chick.



The downright ignorance, selfishness, utter cruelty and shamelessness of some people knows no bounds.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 16:19

Tenakoutou, sadly this is the problem here and the reason I will leave, I cannot bear the cruelty these people force on animals...donkey tethered by a leg in the scorching sun with no water, starving dogs and cats roaming around etc etc....the authorities should do something about it.

roisin


Joined: 19/03/2009
Posts: 358

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 16:33

Report them to KUSKOR(North Cyprus Society for protection of Birds) 0090 392 815 7337. Hopefully they will help.

ozankoys


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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 17:14

Hi Roisin thanks for the suggestion but no answer from that no at the moment. I do not like to think of it there until Monday - anybody any other ideas? It is in a cage about 12" x 9" & obviously very distressed.

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 17:16

If its left outside can you not go and let it free at night. I would and suffer what the police say.

Disgusting people !

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 17:35

deecyprus/Msg 5:



When I lived in Paphos, a retired English headmistress, who taught at the Bases retired to our village and recruited me to drive her around to try and alleviate the suffering of these poor donkeys.



I can't tell you the number of occasions where we happened upon a donkey which had been ankle-roped, so that the rope had bitten down to the bone, leaving oozing, rotting flesh around it. Mostly, donkeys were tied like this; often both back legs, and left without fodder, or water, or any means of gaining access to it.



This lady was so brave! Shoulders back and head high, she would march up to the distressed donkey and though frequently severely bitten, or kicked, would cut the poor beast loose with her secateurs. Usuallly, we'd take bread and containers of water and bowls, also.



The Cypriot method (told to me, quite unashamedly) by a 'Kojakari' (Gk/T: old village woman) of disposing of a donkey that was too old to work (i.e., it had served you for about

ozankoys


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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 17:37

Unfottunately the garden centre is locked at night & is right next to the garage which is always open I think we would be spotted.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 17:38

Cont'd: thirty years) was to take it to the top of a bluff (cliff) and push it off.



'Far fetched story', I thought - until we found a donkey with all its legs broken, lying, gasping its last in a dry river bed. I looked up - there was the high bluff........



How much more could I tell you...............

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 17:40

Tenakoutou, we feed and water the donkey but we can do nothing else, he justs roasts in the sun and prob shivers when it is wet and cold.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 17:53

oh dee, i just cant bear all this cruelty, , who is he owned by, at least he is getting food and water from you. what do these people think x

ozankoys


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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 18:37

I have been down again & spoken to the owner he says he is going to let it free 'in the morning' & that it had killed 2 of his son's little birds. I do not know why he cannot let it go now but I did not want to antagonise him so thanked him & asked him to please make sure he does let it go otherwise it will die.

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 18:39

Once visited a nursery near Guzelyurt where they had goldfinches imprisoned in tiny cages.

They were screeching in distress, so I guess they were used to frighten off other birds. If there had been nobody there, I would have released them.

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 19:02

ozankoys

if you believe that you will believe anything. Remember this is Cyprus, they always tell you what you want to hear!!

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 19:24

I suggest you go back in the morning and see if he has let it free.

Its rubbish what he is saying, how can he prove it was the said bird that killed his sons little birds and how did he manage to catch it in the first place.



Tell him if he dont let it free you will call the police.



Don't be worried to stand up to these people.! x

bridie


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 308

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 19:36

I have been onto my contact in Kuskor. They are all in the Karpaz, but as the falcon is a protected species, they will have their own means of dealing with the situation. I will keep you informed as I know more. I am sure the police will be involved and can better deal with their own.

Might be a good idea to boycott the place in future, and move the Sunday Market elsewhere.

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 20:09

Msg 19. So if someone goes and lets it free then the police can do nothing but give the person a hard time for trespassing ?



Boycotting the place will not let the bird free?



Im willing to go now and let the bird free myself if only the law is against containing this protected bird???

bridie


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Posts: 308

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 20:27

It is now in the hands of the Police, and my husband is meeting them at Pembegul in 15 minutes. They are armed with wire cutters to go in and release the bird.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 20:38

Lilli, sadly this is forcing me to leave, I love this place but just cannot cope with being able to do nothing of any real worth, yes we can feed the dogs and donkeys but it will never end, I wont be here much longer.

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 21:00

Msg 21... well done Terry. I was willing to go and do it myself because these kind of people think there is no law against animals.



Anyway a happy ending, good on you ozankoys for bringing this to attention.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 21:11

Well done to all concerned here. I hate to see any bird caged. Was it possible that they 'caught' the kestrel by putting bait into a cage? Anything's possible. I think it's in the ROC that they trap small birds to eat by putting some sort of glue on the branches of trees.



Anyway, good on all those who had the courage of their convictions and took action.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 21:16

Dee,



Do you think that leaving will help? You mustn't let the bad apples spoil the barrel... The vast majority of the populace are caring, loving people who protect their animals.. The unfortunate thing in life is that it's the bad apples that draw all the attention.

Tootie


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Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 21:28

Msg 25.... Leaving ?

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 21:35

Dee - sad that you are thinking this way, but I do see your point.



See you v. soon.



J

x

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
24/04/2010 21:43

Dee, I'm afraid the same level of animal cruelty manifests itself throughout southern Mediterranean countries.



As for the African and Asian continents - unless you've been there, you can't possibly even contemplate the barbarous cruelty perpetrated on God's defenceless creatures.



Er, where is 'God'?



Busy protecting 'his' sodomatical predators - perhaps?

Jeannie


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Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 21:53

Tanakoutou - I agree wholeheartedly with what you have said in message 28.



Let's also remember 'God'd defenceless creatures" in that they are also, very often, children.



As to your question "Where is God" - I have no idea, sadly.



If I find out, I will be sure to let you know.

bridie


Joined: 18/09/2008
Posts: 308

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 22:09

Still waiting for the police, as my husband went to the centre and waited for one hour, then returned home. They are coming to the house to collect him to take him down when they are free, busy Saturday night and all that. Don't worry we don't give in easily, and will hang in there until the job is done. It would be helpful if they knew where to look for this cage.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
24/04/2010 22:43

Well done for persevering, god it makes me so sick. Dee I hope you are joking but i can understand your reasons. I want to run and hide with the cruelty, and they do not think they are.its all so sad , but now i have to find the charity for 3 blind mice xxxxx

swannee7


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Posts: 394

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 00:31

Bridie, msg.30. Surely your hubby and police aren't thinking of releasing that poor bird in the dead of night? Or will the police remove it (in its cage) and wait for daylight ? Please let us know what finally happens. In that tiny cage and flapping about in distress the poor creature could well have damaged its flight feathers.....

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 00:34

i am sure they will have this birds interest at heart xx

ozankoys


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Message Posted:
25/04/2010 09:27

Hi what is happening please let me know if I should do anything or has the bird been released? As in a prior post surely it would not have been let go at night?

bridie


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Posts: 308

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 09:44

We waited until 2 am this morning for the police but no luck, perhaps some of you kind folk that go to the market now might like to tackle the owner, as there was no answer to the telephone number advertised. To those that thought we were going to distress the bird even more by releasing it, I happen to be some thing of a twitcher, and have studied birds for years. I am extremely distressed about this, and feel that we have failed miserably. Neither of us are any longer agile and able to scramble over fences as we would have done in the past to help wildlife.

Please if anyone goes to Pembegul find out what has happened and post on here ASAP. I will then pass on the info to our friends of Kuskor who are in the Karpas bird watching this weekend.

ozankoys


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Posts: 905

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 10:59

My friend has had a good look round the garden centre but no sign of the bird or cage. Obviously there is a lot of activity because of the market there today it might have been moved out of sight. This is really inconclusive so anybody any suggestions of how to proceed, if I go in there & ask the owner he is of course going to tell me that he has released it.

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 12:10

msg 21 Deecyprus

I can understand that you are upset about animal cruelty,as is any "normal" person, but to get away from this you will have to find youself a desert island.

Animal cruelty is world wide look how dogs are treat in the Far East, muzzeled with tin cans and stripped of thier skins,some probably still alive. Spanish bullfighting that is barbaric.

In the UK cock fighting, badger baiting, dog fighting, horses being ill treat,and yes, fox hunting what the landed gentry tried telling us they did,nt harm them, the list is endless.

So yes, people can bury thier heads in sand or we can try and get things done to try and put an end to this cruelty.

Perry


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Posts: 413

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 14:42

Totally agree TopTen - it is everywhere - the TRNC really does not stand out any where worse than many other places. In all countries you get good people who are kind to animals, and cruel ones. Look at all the cases in the UK of Horse farms where unspeakable negect occurred, unwanted kittens and puppies being dumped, and as you say, years of fox hunting ! - and this is a nation of animal lovers.... We have to stop beating up on Cyprus on every issue and tarring the whole society with the same brush.

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 14:57

Perry

you are quite right, so not everyone in the UK are to blame for what goes on here. At least the government supposedly banned fox hunting but we have ,if they get elected, the blue rinse brigade are going to re-introduce legitimate foxhunting again, that says it all! So if you are a Fox, don't vote Tory!!!



Getting back on topic, has the nice Cypriot released the bird as promised? I won't hold my breath.

ozankoys


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Posts: 905

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 17:16

I will go in again tomorrow morning & ask where the bird is, if he says he has let it go I will try & find the cage to make sure it is empty

littleme


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Posts: 299

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 17:17

Thought you all might like to know that YES the bird was released & in public view.

Jeannie


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Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 17:19

Great news



And, again, well done to all concerned.

deecyprus4


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Message Posted:
25/04/2010 19:05

TopTen, I agree with most you have said but in the UK there are laws against animal cruelty, here there are none, all the cruel acts you have mentioned are outlawed, yes they go on but when the individuals are caught they are punished...here it isn't a crime to starve a dog or tie up a donkey in the sun with no shelter or water..the two cannot be compared....I wouldnt live in the far east because of the animal cruelty, I didnt expect it to be so bad here.

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
25/04/2010 22:33

deecyprus

Quite right. We know there is animal cruelty in the UK but at least we know it as such, call it that and make it illegal.

Cruelty as all other crimes is abundant in all countries ,but what defines us as a society is whether we accept it or not ,excuse it or not.

MartinM


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Message Posted:
26/04/2010 06:32

It is illegal to keep or trade in wild birds. The phone number for Kuskor is 815 5462. Contact Damla.

ozankoys


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Message Posted:
26/04/2010 08:39

Hi that is strange was the bird released at the garden centre as this is only a few hundred yards from my house? I have had a kestrel living on my balcony for around 6 months, it sleeps on top of the air con unit but it was not there last night I strongly suspect that the one captured was the same one I would have thought it would have returned to its usual habitat.

ozankoys


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Message Posted:
26/04/2010 08:41

Hi again Littleme please can we have further details of who engineered the bird's release & when thanks

bridie


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Message Posted:
26/04/2010 09:52

I was reminded by my better half this morning of an incident that happened many years ago here, long before they had Kuskor. My son had found some baby birds on sale in a pet shop in town, and they had no feathers, so it gives you some idea of their age. He wanted to buy both of them and rear them, but for some reason they only let him have one. He was fed with an eye dropper and finely minced liver and mince. He had his own basket and as he grew older slept on the handle. He grew into a handsome chap, he was a long eared owl. As he got older he flew off during the day but always returned when he saw family arriving home. One day he did not come back. A neighbour saw a shepherd kill him. Some people are frightened of owls here and think they are a sign of death. We called him Oscar , at least he had a short life, about a year, and was free to fly around Ozankoy. We had hoped for him to find a mate, and go off and live freely, it was not to be.

scruffdog


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Posts: 742

Message Posted:
26/04/2010 09:56

Ozankoy I would think the one on your balcony was the captured birds mate. As your Kestrel has gone the same time as catured bird released, hopefully they have flown off together, to live happily ever after.

ozankoys


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Posts: 905

Message Posted:
26/04/2010 10:00

That is a very nice thought that they have flown off to live happily ever after however I have never seen 'my' kestrel with a mate he/she is always on his own I think it more likely that the captured bird was 'mine'.

bridie


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Posts: 308

Message Posted:
26/04/2010 11:12

mes. 49.

It is more than likely "your" bird will return home if it has been in the same spot for 6 months, as they are territorial. The area will be familiar to the bird.

ozankoys


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Posts: 905

Message Posted:
27/04/2010 09:26

Hi unfortunately 'my' bird has still not returned, littleme please can you confirm details of it's release, was it taken away from the Garden Centre first?

CheifOfficer


Joined: 28/05/2009
Posts: 12

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 16:28

Did anyone get a pic of the bird? KUŞKOR are currently doing a census and would be interested to know the species. Someone mentionned Eleonora's Falcon......and if it was persuing birds maybe it was. But a pic would be great. It has definately been released now?



KUŞKOR team.



0392 815 54 62

ozankoys


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Posts: 905

Message Posted:
30/04/2010 18:09

Hi sorry I did not get a picture it was only on my aircon unit at night so did not want to upset it & did not think to take a photo when it was in the tiny cage at Pembegul.

I am not really satisfied that it was released 'Littleme' has not provided any details or confirmation from another person and 'my' bird has still not come home, it was there last Friday night, was caught by Pembegul Saturday morning and the last I saw of it was at the nursery Saturday early evening.

If you can obtain some confirmation of release it would make me very happy.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
01/05/2010 15:13

A lot of people are still waiting, with bated breath, to hear of certain proof that Pembegul released this raptor - or did they do something ghastly, like immerse the cage in a bucket of water, then dump the bird's carcass... ???

ozankoys


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Posts: 905

Message Posted:
02/05/2010 08:34

Anyone who goes to Pembegul today please ask around what happened to the bird - did anyone see it being released??

I am completely convinced that it was not released as it has not come back.

Littleme you have gone horribly quiet - what is your relationship to the owners of Pembegul?

Lazy days


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Posts: 847

Message Posted:
02/05/2010 09:14

Hello Ozankoys

If you read littleme's posts I think you will have your answer many of them are promoting pembegul so in MHO she is part of the set up or very close to it

A

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
02/05/2010 09:24

As yet, nobody has posted that he/she actually WITNESSED the bird being released.



Continuation of the failure to do so can only make people suspect and fear the worst for this poor bird.

scruffdog


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Posts: 742

Message Posted:
02/05/2010 09:58

Ozankoy, If your bird was missing the night the bird was 'released' but was with you before hand, how can it be the same one? Reading this post it seems that the Garden Centre have had this bird captured for a few days.

ozankoys


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Posts: 905

Message Posted:
02/05/2010 10:29

Hi 'my' bird was at home Friday night & has not been back since then. A one very similar was in the cage at Pembegul on Saturday, they told me they had captured it that morning. My friend went down Sunday morning & had a good look round but could not see it, hope this clarifies.

ozankoys


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Message Posted:
02/05/2010 10:33

I think it is time for 'Mary, 49 married' to stand up & be counted please

metin


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Message Posted:
02/05/2010 10:45

Why don't you go down to the market thats on there today and ask if any of the stallholders know anything ???



Whether anyone actually witnessed its release.

kaiserphil


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Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
02/05/2010 13:56

Ozankoys - "I think it is time for 'Mary, 49 married' to stand up & be counted please".

I know Mary well, perhaps you would care to elaborate on that statement?

ozankoys


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 905

Message Posted:
02/05/2010 18:54

Hi if you know Mary well would you please ask her if she actually saw the bird released, where/what day it is haunting me that I could have saved it at the time had I known the law was on my side.

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
02/05/2010 19:42

As having a good friend who was a Fletcher, Kestrels are free birds and are loyal- very much like a cat.

If anyone wants to take this fine bird they will have to be very very patient, but once confidence is grown they will have a friend for life!!!!

Baspinar Bob


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Posts: 618

Message Posted:
02/05/2010 20:26

Angus

I don't get the link between this and your friend who made arrows!



Bob.

metin


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Message Posted:
03/05/2010 11:06

Can someone please respond.......as to whether or not they saw the bırd released. Thıs ıs hauntıng me !!!

metin


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Posts: 1588

Message Posted:
04/05/2010 13:11

Dıd anyone out there wıtness ıts release ????? Please put us out of this mısery and please someone let us know.

I for one wıll never set foot ın that garden centre agaın !!

TopTen


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Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
04/05/2010 14:00

Just to go on about the protection of birds law in britain, they are broken time and time again.

I know of a garden centre that puts on falconry displays, and let people, adults and kids stroke and hold these birds, this I am led to believe is legal.

So I think yes we should all fight cruelty where ever we come across it, but we Brits should probably look in our own backyard and do something about back door sales of illegal species of exotic birds and animals and ill treatment of such, like stopping going to zoos and the circus. Lions and tigers being made to jump through burning hoops for our entertainment,how long before that becomes old hat and they look for something more dangerous for them to do.

MartinM


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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 10:48

Why doesn't BTT work for this posting

ozankoys


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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 11:14

Hi Kaiser Phil surely if you know Mary well you would have had a chance to speak to her by now please??

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
05/05/2010 11:28

Top Ten - message 68

The law in Britain is very strict and enforced strongly. Indeed, hurting a bird of prey, stealing their eggs or harming a nest will incur you far greater punishment than bashing an old lady over the head.

However, falconry is a legal sport. All birds must have been bred in captivity, be ringed, registered and licenced individually and the owner must also be a licenced raptor keeper. Within these bounds, falconry displays are a very good thing - they teach awareness and respect to the public who would normally never have contact with these birds. The birds are used to being handled, and if you understood the hundreds of hours dedicated work that goes into training a bird of prey and the cost of acquiring, feeding, keeping them, then you would know that no falconer would risk any harm to birds that they love as much as ordinary folk love their cats and dogs.

But this is alll very different from the topid of this thread - the caging of a wild kestrel is appalling.

kaiserphil


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Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
05/05/2010 18:34

Ozankoys - no I haven't. She is in TRNC and I am in Germany.

She is rarely on line, that is no doubt why you haven't had a response on this board.

ozankoys


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 905

Message Posted:
05/05/2010 18:53

Hi Kaiserphil thanks for info, we will have to be patient! Poor you being in Germany when we are all enjoying 31o sunshine in TRNC.

kaiserphil


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Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
05/05/2010 19:16

Ozankoys - you are right, wet and miserable here, though we have had some brilliant weather. Beautiful countryside, too, where we live.

Also we have water!

ozankoys


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Posts: 905

Message Posted:
06/05/2010 08:30

Well hopefully we will have water this year we have had so much rain!

kaiserphil


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Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
06/05/2010 14:39

ozankoys - well, you are welcome to some of what's falling on my garden right now! Pity we couldn't organise a pipeline!

Got to go out shortly, too - just in the mood for curling up in front of a fire.

mozgor



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Posts: 256

Message Posted:
30/06/2010 15:41

it makes me so angry and sad to read about the plight of animals in NC - I love animals and have rescued a few dogs/kittens whilst visiting, but I really want to do something to make a difference if I can when we ultimatley more over. KAR are doing a good job in going into schools educating the children where hopefully they can make a difference when they get older. They are looking for volunteers to join the education programme so if any of you really want to influence what goes on, that's one way of doing it. I have to say that this is the only reservation I have about moving to NC - total lack of concern for animal welfare by many of the local poplation

littleme


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Posts: 299

Message Posted:
30/06/2010 22:00

MESSAGE 46- Thought you all might like to know that YES the bird was released & in public view.

Why should people bother to inform everyone when they just ignore what is written & are more concerned over my age & marital status which as I see has no connection or relevance to the post what so ever.

Just for the information I am in no way connected to the organization of the market I see what I see & comment freely as many others do to inform members of what I feel may be of interest to others.

I think that message 46 is a clear as it ever could be.

I did also speak with the owner myself about the bird as well as with people in the market & I am fully satisfied that the bird was released.

I see no reason to comment further on this post & strongly suggest that if in doubt go to the garden centre & see for your self as many of us have done. We are in a foreign country & there ways are different to ours what we see as wrong may not be in the eyes of others.

littleme


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Message Posted:
30/06/2010 22:05

They have done what was asked of them & still no one is happy maybe others will think why should I bother .

I repeat what I said I see no further reason to post on this matter

ozankoys


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 905

Message Posted:
01/07/2010 09:36

Hi littleme was the bird released at the garden centre? Only it lived on top of an aircon unit on my balcony & it never came back - I have learnt on this board that they are very territorial birds and it would have returned if it could.

I can only assume that its feathers were so badly damaged from being confined in such a tiny cage & it being so desperate to try & get out that it could not fly properly.

I certainly would not patronise that garden centre again & would urge others not to do so - why & how did they catch the bird in the first place & why did he not release it when I asked him to - merely saying 'I will release it in the morning'. Obviously at the time I did not realise the law was on my side or I would have climbed up & released it myself it haunted me for weeks.

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
01/07/2010 16:50

Just my two penneth, but theres an awful lot of presumption on your behalf Ozankoys, had it ever entered your brain that the Bird was found distressed, placed in the cage for its own safety and following the advice of the VET that attended, released the following morning????(And No I dont have his name, telephone number or inside leg measurement!).



2. You urge others to boycott a hard working mans establishment, based on your incorrect grasp of the facts????, He is a local, you are merely a guest



GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT AND STOP STIRRING THE SH***



Disgusted of Dogankoy

ozankoys


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 905

Message Posted:
01/07/2010 17:22

Hi ttoli fyi the owner told me he had caught the bird that morning because it had killed 2 of his sons' birds - how it killed his sons' birds & how he caught it I do not know.

I would think that if a Vet had attended he would have suggested that the bird was put in a suitable size cage (not one only just big enough for it to get in) it would have been covered with a cloth so it was dark & it could calm down & not hung up above the plants in the garden centre & displayed proudly as a trophy.

So Digusted of Dogankoy these are the facts I am not stirring the sh*** as you so delightfully accuse me of