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HildySmith


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Once again we see British Pensioners being 'shafted' by TC Builders. Waited nearly 4 years for their home and now have no home for furniture in England and no home or furniture in TRNC. They are having to rent here. Cafer Yucelgazi is still building in the area even though he has alread 'shafted' most of Karsiyaka under Ca Sa.



HildySmith


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It appears that 7 brits are likely to loose there homes as they slide down the mountain.

Also, the 270,000 quoted by Cafer Yucelgazi is lies - Everyone has paid the full amount and only needs to pay the final payment on completion and Kocans which totals 150k (NOT 270k)



HildySmith


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Anyone got any suggestions as to what can be done.

One buyer was made redundant last year and is now contemplating bankrupsy as a result of this.



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Other than shooting the bastard, no



dizzycows


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Where are these homes sliding down the mountain? how on earth can these builders still be building and taking on more projects? ......



juliamoons



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They are in Incesu and I have no idea why Aspire trading is still a registered member of the Builders Construction Association. Aspire trading is bankrupt http://www.ktimb.org/page-_en



HildySmith


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He opened another company called Aspire Construction Ltd

He is now a registered builder - how can that be??? he wasn't registered when he left the mess at Karisyaka nor when he started Incesu but apparently he is now. Also he built Incesu under the name Cafer Yuceglazi and apparently you cannot make a person bankrupt only a company.

He now has offices in Lefkosia (I am told) and is also building there. He has been put on a blacklist which is in the local papers.



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Msg 4: Perhaps that's the answer to these gutter snipes!



HildySmith


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the thought had occured to some of tbe buyers. I was temped to push him into his unfinished pool last time I saw him.



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this sounds like another case of not doing the homework , or listening to someone who can build you a 5 bedroom villa with pool for 90k , lifes not that good ? if it was everyone would be doing it , this is a sharks paradise / dont be the bait , do some research , you will never regret it .



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Rowlo, think these poor sods wish they had.... Building on slopes where ever you are is a major risk.....



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This is all very sad, if you are thinking of buying, give Stuart Hillard a call, he's the only qualified chartered

surveyor on the island. He knows most of the builders quality of work. It may cost a few pounds, but in

the end could save you thousands.

Even if you're buying a resale, would you buy a house in UK without having a survey done??

Stuart's number is 0533 861 2330.



HildySmith


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Flowerfairy:

Stuart Hillard has visited the site on behalf of one of the buyers. I read an article he wrote which gave details of Cafer leaving 'unfinished houses' all over the island - He knows of Cafer and Hasan Sunger the Landowner.



Dizzycows:

They viewed the same villa built on a mountainside in Bellapais, so had no reason to doubt the skills, they are now wondering if he actually built the house he showed them??????



Rowlo: They thought they had done their homework - One is a policeman another is an Accounts Director for Construction companies in the UK. The checked everything out but were not aware of: Builder, Landowner AND Advocate all working hand in hand with each other and not the client.



rowlo



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msg13 , doing the homework , and thinking you done the homework , is two different anatomys ,ie my son sits his english a level, i say to him have you done your homework for exam , he says i think so dad , fails exam , gets 2nd chance to resit exam , i say to him have you done your homework , yes dad and passes ?



Bradus


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Rowlo,

If you do your homework, as you suggest, you would discover that you should not enter into any contractual agreements, let alone handover money, until you have your PTP. The TRNC Government have stated that if you buy without gaining PTP then it is at your own risk. See Niomi Memet's advice on her question and answers page. So having done this homework why do people ignore this advice and buy?



You are also not supposed to hand over money until you have your title deeds. Yet this is rarely common practice, most having paid in full by handover of keys.

Finally, whilst doing all this homework, you might want to look at the post regarding good builders in the TRNC. Look at some of the recommendations on this very old post. Certain builders were raved about at the time but they are now the very ones to be avoided. Lack of money, will make developers cut corners and systems that allow a "get out of jail card" for builders leaving people in the lurch, allow corruption to continu



Bradus


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It's not so much doing your home work but perhaps taking control. You would never contemplate buying if you did your homework. Similarly if you tried to take control and work through the advised TRNC legal process you would not be able to proceed. Which builder would wait until you had your PTP.Would they wait until parcelisation had been carried out? Would they wait for your money until the day of title deed transfer?



Like many of us, you didn't get good results because you did your homework. You have simply been lucky You left yourself wide-open as we all do when we buy in the TRNC.



Blaming buyers for not doing their homework, simply shifts the blame from the dishonest, fraudulent builders, of which there are too many on the island, to people that have been naive but acted honestly and do not deserve this treatment.



It will only be safe to buy in the TRNC when laws are reformed. Until then there will always be risks that no amount of homework will safeguard against.



Tenakoutou



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The current laws not only allow, but positively encourage exploitation by builders, advocates, estate agents, et al.



'Make hay while the sun shines!' they are obviously chortling - and they are; aided and abetted by innocent expats, who naively believe that Cypriot law surely must follow British law 'to the letter'.



And why? - Because their nice TC or RoC 'friend' told them so.



As for PTP - my understanding is that it can only be applied for for a specific contract for land, or property - not for the individual person. So, a buyer is forced to commit themselves to purchasing said property, otherwise he/she is not eligible to apply for PTP.



Please, can someone, qualified to do so, correct, corroborate, or refute the above?



sloan



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Of course, we could all have heeded the UK Foreign Office warning and not touched North Cyprus with a bargepole!



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Msg 17 - you are correct John, that is the silly situation. But for that, you could go looking for a house armed with your PTP.



Truth


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If anyone would like to buy one of these "3 bedroom luxury villas" they can still do so here...



http://www.unwinestates.com/info.php?id=196&location=any&bedrooms=any&type=any&school=&garden=&shops=&station=&rentmin=any&rentmax=any&salemin=any&salemax=any&propstat=Sale&t=



Truth!



Tenakoutou



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Are these properties built by Cafer Yucelgazi?



If not, why are you using this thread, and its associated topics, to do your [cheap] advertising in?



Bradus


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I believe these are the said properties Tenakoutou. Surely they are not still being marketed Truth?



girne 29


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Bradus message 16



Spot on ,have said that in the past, Its mostly luck not research . People who put the blame on those who might have missed something in their research are giving succour to the offenders.



Doesnt matter if,silly me, I forget to close a back window in my house, and its broken into.I still expect burglary to be a criminal offence and the perpertrator punished.I certainly do not expect him to walk away with my goods.



On another note ,I rather suspect the reputable builders in the TRNC ,who after all are wanting a long term living,would like a cleaning up. As everywhere else, its only the dodgy ones that have anything to fear.



Bradus


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There is no doubt that the good builders are going to suffer in the long run.In fact the whole economy is going to suffer as people are already reluctant to buy off plan or buy properties where the seller does not have PTP and title deeds.

Estate agents are already suffering and its depressing to see the same old properties unsold even with massive discounts on what would be good value for money properties.



For others it will be the lack of legal protection and the reputation the island is fast gaining , as a place where it is just too easy to be shafted that will prevent future sales. Most people when purchasing make several trips to search for property and assess its progress during the building stage. Obviously this has a knock on effect for the hotels and restaurants who are already seeing a fall in occupancy. Add to this the drop in furniture and garden sales, taxis and car hire and its not difficult to see what lies ahead.



Sad thing is that its all been self inflicted.



Bradus


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might also want to add Lack of Investment from Israel!



Tenakoutou



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However, if the 'powers that be' have 'feathered their own nests' sufficiently - they will, logically and complacently, consider that 'change' is totally uneccessary - that's the worry.



They are, maybe, pinning their hopes on the fact that buyers will come - come what may - so, why alter the highly lucrative 'status quo'?



Lilli



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bradus we are already seeing the back lash, people are just giving up and moving back, its all so sad. yes the isreaiies were investing but in light of recent developments what now. russian i am led to beleive investing at the moment. I think the trnc have done well to attrach dutch tourists but when speaking to a few and asked if they would invest straight answer NO xxx



HildySmith


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Message 20 - Yes they are the houses at Incesu.

If you read last weeks paper Cafer Yucelgazi told the newspapers that there are worth 130K but here they are advertised at 99K.



Bradus


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Lilli,



its such a shame because this inaction affects so many good, hard working, decent people. I know many people are leaving and many for the very reasons highlighted.



Tenakoutou



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So, does this mean that anyone risking the purchase of one of these houses is laying themself wide open to the same type of [alleged] scam as is reported to being perpetrated on Kulaksiz 5?



Perhaps, for prospective purchasers' benefit, 'Truth' would care to comment as to what safeguard precludes the fate due to befall the Kulaksiz 5 buyers?



Tenakoutou



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No comment from 'Truth' re their ad. (see Msg 20) ???



Conspicuous by their absence - one can only but wonder why???



juliamoons



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http://www.propertywinners.co.uk/property_details_208.htm



HildySmith


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Yes, juliamoons they are the same villas. Notice the name: Aspire Villas - never heard that name before, always been known as Incesu.

All the same information and incestives - furnished etc

and the artists impressions which bear no relation to the properties - none of which have a fireplace - only a hole in the wall type.



juliamoons



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i thought Cafer's Aspire Trading had gone bankrupt. The shop was located on the main road close to the University junction in Karaoglanoglu or (Karens in the loo). Aspire Trading is still a member of the Constructors Building Association.



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If you were thinking of buying one of these villas (ha ha) don't forget to factor in the builder's Stopaj tax at 6.5% as he will expect you to pay this (happening right now at a site in Karsiyaka).



Truth


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Msg 21 & 31: it wasn't an ad. Msg 22: YES!! Still being advertised by Conwins



I am not an Estate Agent, a lawyer or a builder but I have been ripped off by Mr & Mrs Unwin.



I posted that link to show how our good friends at "Unwins", who some are under the false impression have 'changed', are still actively marketing these properties by Aspire trading despite it being public knowledge that they are 2 years over due, collapsing down the hill-side and causing all the current "owners" no end of missery. These people have no morals and are just interest in their own bulging pockets.



How can you even justify actively marketing these properties under these circumstances? How do you sleep at night?



JW (Truth)



Tenakoutou



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Sorry, 'Truth' - what else can I say?



Only that I, and I'm sure other readers, wish you'd made your position clear in the first place.



However, thank you for having the courage to enlighten us in your Msg 36 - later rather than sooner - never mind!



HildySmith


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Juliamoons

Aspire Trading has gone bankrupt as far as I know in September 2009. But they were not the company who sold these properties, they were sold buy Cafer Yucelgazi and sold in his name not a company name. He apparently had an agreement with Hasan Sungur to build on his Land.

Some buyers have waited 3 1/2 years for their property, like the ones in the paper and have all paid all of the staged payments. Hasan Sungur is a big man here (so they say) President of the estate agents union and Chief Exec of the Employers union etc etc. But he has let Cafer get away with this for years and has even helped him to do it.



juliamoons



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Thanks for that Hildy. We are also in a Cafer house in Karsiyaka, another unfinished site, some of our neighbours have no road and no electric. No Kocans in site either.



range


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Hi saw your message, we are hopefully buying a house/ bungalow in karsiyaka, it seems this builder cafer & sait koze built them, any feedback would be great. many thanks



Hector


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range

Have you really thought this through? Are you aware of the real dangers of buying a property in Cyprus? Have you sought advice (free) from the Home Buyers Pressure Group? ( http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/ )



Read the experiences of far too many unfortunate buyers on this forum before you buy and remember the saying NO KOCHAN NO MONEY



Molly


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Message 35 Jo and Jelly



Stoppage tax is 4%.



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