eu wants turkish troops off eu soil regardless of solution

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 16:29

Euro-Parliament’s message to Turks





‘Withdraw troops



from Famagusta’





By Annie Charalambous





The government yesterday welcomed the adoption by a European Parliament committee of a Famagusta report calling on Turkey to withdraw its troops from EU territory, starting with the ghost town.



The report was important as it disassociated the return of Famagusta to its lawful inhabitants from an overall settlement, it noted.



“It’s a very positive report and a strong weapon in the hands of Cypriot refugees,” Government Spokesman Stefanos Stefanou told The Cyprus Weekly yesterday.



“The report calls on Turkey to withdraw its occupation troops from the Republic of Cyprus, and this is very important. It also reflects the positive climate on Cyprus prevailing in the EU today,” he added.



Justice



The European Parliament Petitions Committee on Wednesday approved by 22 votes in favour and two against the report which notes that «Turkey must withdraw its occupation military forces from the Republic of Cyprus, an EU territory, starting with the return of the Famagusta sealed-off section to its lawful inhabitants in compliance with resolution 550 (1984) of the UN Security Council.”



Famagusta Mayor Alexis Galanos went a step further calling it “justice for Famagusta refugees, and a strong message to all.”



The return of Famagusta to its lawful inhabitants is the best confidence building measure that can be applied, he stressed.



MEP Panayiotis Demetriou said in a statement that the Famagusta problem was now placed on its proper basis, disentangled from political approaches.



The report also recommends that "the institutions of the European Union must actively support and promote a solution which leads to the full restoration of property to its legitimate owners in Varosha."



The EP Committee then calls on the French presidency to resolve the issue of Famagusta within 2008, “and the European Parliament is urged in this contect to give full backign to this objective.”



Socialist Edek party welcomed the "crystal clear, unequivocal positions noted in the report" and thanked President of the European Socialists Martin Schultz for contributing towards its adoption.



The report, backed by the EPP, PSE and GUE/NGL groups of the European Parliament, negates a draft report by Committee Chairman Marcin Libicki who argued that Famagusta could not be returned without an overall solution to the Cyprus problem, first.



The link between an overall solution and the return of Famagusta had also been made by Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn.



In his report, Libicki had also included references to the 2004 Annan Plan and the alleged Turkish Cypriot "isolation".



He reportedly plans to submit his report independently, as a minority one, to European Parliament President Hans Gert Poettering.

davidoff


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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 16:52

Hi all,



What will happen if they give it back to the eu?



Will this set a president? And they can start reclaiming back other land in the north of cyprus or not?



take care d

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 16:55

From what I have read this week. Turkey seems in no mood to give it back.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 18:21

I was always led to believe that although Varosha was mainly inhabited by the GC the land was actually TC land leased from the the islands vakif or Islamic Trust. It has always been high on the agenda in all previous negotiations. Obviously with North Cyrus having hotels standing half empty have they any real use for this now deserted land which is described as being in write off condition? Could they afford restoration? Seems to me that this is land that could be given to the GC in exchange for land lost in the north.

Hilltop



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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 21:12

I think there needs to be an election to "set a president".



This was only a committee report, and was not even unanimous. It has little importance.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 21:15

they think its all over

it is now ,turkey will give back nothing who said it was the greek cypriots

anyway they assume the whole of cyprus is theirs ,without sounding abrupt

they should wake up too the facts of which they created and all cypriots have

suffered huge loses.

they can ask till they are blue in the face ,its a no from turkey.

Hilltop



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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 21:17

I will take that as a definate maybe then.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 21:30

hilltop

i think thats a little ambitious.

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
19/07/2008 23:04

The only reason the GC want Varosha/Maras returned is for access to Gazi Magusa port. This has nothing to do with refugees, lawful inhabitants or whatever.



You just have to read the names of prime movers in this report!!!!!!! Most other EU nations have not a clue or are even interested in the situation. Usual thing - lets have a committee and those who shout loudest win the support, YAWN, YAWN, lots of expenses coming our way for attending.



Me, a cynic, never!!!!!!!!!!

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
21/07/2008 15:29

The title of this post is a liitle misleading. It comes from a GC source and I think they have over stated it. Thay have used the EU name to give it more creedence, when in fact as CIS says, most EU countries would have no idea that such a report was being compiled and probably would not pay any attention to it. As Hilltop says, it has little importance. It's probably a lightweight committee.



One thing is for sure, the GC's are trying to take advantage of their position in the EU and are probably trying to do the same in the security council. Turkey and in particlar the TRNC can't develop these same relationships in the corridors of power, so it is very unfair.



Hi Bradus, makes sense doesn't it to give the land back. I understand that these are the most beautiful beaches on the island, so the TC's would have to get a very good deal in return, especially if they lost the port as well.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
21/07/2008 17:19

Why don't they give it back to its rightful inhabitants as a gesture of good will?



What use is it lying abandoned as it is at the moment?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 13:22

This video is a year old. It's the first time I have ever heard Talat speak. He is asked by the reporter about giving back Varosha and the removal of Turkish troops.



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9Da9WszFg9Y

slimboyfat


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 13:33

Nothing about removing Greek troops then?

cruggs


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 14:38

so now famagusta,is in part of the e.u and the south want it back.could this be

because,as cyprusishome has said they want the gazi magusa port.could it possibly be to ship in water to the south,although ports can be used for anything.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 14:49

Never is slimboyfat



Shipping is important to the GC's. It's a big money spinner (from what i understand) Turkey not allowing it's ports to be used has damaged their ratings.

I guess Limassol can be used for water cruggs

elko2



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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 14:53

According to EU the whole of Cyprus is EU soil. So let them come and take it. When I see a nice villa, I will do the same, declare it to be mine.

ismet

kyrenia007


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 15:12

Imho, partition is the best way forward and the only way our ethnicity as Turkish Cypriots can survive.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 21:04

how about this one guys .remove turkish cypriots from isolation ,give us direct

flights and then we will sit down and talk .

why oh why is it always us that have too promise something before they even

think about talking to us .

we did not start this s..t ,but we and we alone are suffering ,

long live the kktc.

musin

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 21:23

I agree with you Musin. Strangling the TRNC and not allowing it to breathe has not been the way to build trust. Seems Talat is mindful of this.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 22:12

ismet abi

bu rumlar gendilerni bizden daha buyuk goruller ,ama turkden buyuk yok

yalniz allah

yasasin kibriz turkleri

musin

Alasian


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Message Posted:
29/07/2008 23:10

One of the reasons why it is always us that have to compromise is because most people especially in Western Europe are in love with anyone that speaks Greek so much that they get blinded and not see what they have done to TCs.



This love also makes Greeks more arrogant and less willing to get on well with us.



All of our cuisine is marked as Greek cuisine and eaten with utmost respect throughout the world. This prevents the Greeks from developing respect for Turkish people, as they fail to acknowledge the things that they lovingly eat mostly have Turkish names!



Cuisine

Yogurt->Turkish word but known as Greek yogurt

Dolma->Stuffed wine leaves,Turkish word but known as Greek

Cacık-> Yogurt with Cucumber, a turkish word, known as Greek Tzatziki

Pastırma-> Pastourmas, Turkish salami

....

and the list continues for everything from art to music



Music

Buzuki->Known as Bouzuki, comes from Turkish word Bozuk which means a type of musical note

Baglama-> Baglama in Greek as well, a Turkish word for a musical instrument



Theatre

Karagoz&Hacivat: Turkish shadow theathre, in Greece Karagiozis and Hadjivatis



Dances

Zeybek:Ancient Anatolian(Turkish) war dance -> Zeibekiko



The same goes for the ancient history of our land, Cyprus and Anatolia(Turkey).



The Greeks should acknowledge all of this and learn to respect Turks as a brother nation. Otherwise with all this hostility, consuming all these Turkish products and practicing Turkish art is hypocricy to the extreme.



Maybe we can advertise these to the world and Greeks would get embarassed of their behaviours.



Also,If all the protesters defending the rights of priests in Himalayas had spent one tenth of their time for defending the rights of a nation living unjustly under embargoes for the last 40 years , everything would have been fine.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 01:52

Message 4 of 21 in Discussion



Bradus: "I was always led to believe that although Varosha was mainly inhabited by the GC the land was actually TC land leased from the the islands vakif or Islamic Trust. It has always been high on the agenda in all previous negotiations. Obviously with North Cyrus having hotels standing half empty have they any real use for this now deserted land which is described as being in write off condition? Could they afford restoration? Seems to me that this is land that could be given to the GC in exchange for land lost in the north."



The Vakif argument is a red herring. It's as outdated as fue duties which have been long redeemed. I don't know whether you've ever been in Varosha but I would say the majority of buildings are far from write-offs. Certainly not the ones used for far from military purposes by the Turkish army, which took a mere two years to section off the new town and systematically loot every building and steal everything of pratical value.



As for giving Varosha land to GCs "in exchange" for property lost in the north, would you feel happy if a thief stole your home - then offered you half of it back as compensation? Not one for the negotiating table, I reckon.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 08:37

So the Vakif argument is out dated, is it? Surprising then that similar land owned by religious organisations in the South are still valid. But that is different I suppose.

The British giveaway of Vakif land to GC’s was totally illegal. Two years ago a TRNC court up held the validity of Vakif land, and it is still valid in Turkey.

Once again I suppose that that does not count, after all they are only &%£?ing Turks.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

turbo


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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 09:00

Other Turkish words turned Greek as in message 23



Lokum = lokoumi ( they got this one in to the Guiness book of records)

Hellim = Haloumi ( they are trying to get the patent on this one as a Greek Cypriot product)

Raki = ouzo (?)

Kolokas = kolokassi

Dolma = Dolmades



cant think of any more right now, there are tons more.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 11:42

Troodo: "Two years ago a TRNC court up held the validity of Vakif land."



But this ruling is worthless under international law, which is the only game in town.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 12:07

And intrnational law can be twisted to suit. Is that the game?



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
31/07/2008 19:36

Of course it can but that's the international community for you. Better to be inside the tent p*ssing out than outside the tent p*ssing in, surely?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 11:35

Depends whose boots you are p*ssing on, and whether you are searching for truth and justice or lies and deceit.



Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 11:38

How much longer do you reckon you will be living the the "safe area". And do you mean safe from an unwelcome knock on the door? Best check the old doorbell.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 12:51

Troodo said - "And intrnational law can be twisted to suit."



PP said - "Of course it can but that's the international community for you"



There is some agreement on the fallibility of the International community, so the question really is 'In passing judgement (law) did they get it right or wrong on Cyprus?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 14:27

Of course they got it wrong. The question is why: political expediency, misinformation . . .? The UN? Did they bother to find out the facts before they past resolution (was it ) 501, so hurriedly?

As for the so called invasion, who invaded first the Greeks or Turkey?



Pike.

I feel safer here because the South has a much higher crime rate; they have a growing problem with their young people, and a much higher problem with drugs, human trafficking, prostitution, and the Russian mafia. They also have a growing intolerance for anyone who is not a direct descendant from Mt Olympus. Shall I go on? No I will invite others to add to the list.



Troodo

VERY happy to live in the safe area.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 14:43

Susanne.

They are not surounding us, they are protecting us.

And do not come back and ask from whom, that would be too naive.



Troodo

VERY happy to live in the safe area.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 15:03

msge 32



Absolutely Troodo

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 15:55

susanne



Apparently a lot of internet porn sites are registered and run from GC.



At least Asil Nadir only sold fruit.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 17:52

I will leave the rest of you to deal with this silly woman.





Troodo

Happy to live in the safe area

kyrenia007


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 18:08

The "broken record" is still playing the old tunes and it will continue to do so as long as the older generation passes down the same garbage about the "illegal north" or "pseudo state". The same applies to the "we don't have a problem with you Turkish Cypriots, its the Turkish mainlanders and army we have a problem with" garbage that is spewed out regularly. A recent survey in the Cyprus Mail outlined some interesting stats. One that stood out for me was that 70'something percent felt it was "unsafe" to go to the North because of the army. How many people in here have felt unsafe as a result of the army there? The propaganda and garbage will keep going until more people stop believing what they are told and open their eyes and ears. I have visited many places all over the island and have not felt afraid at any point, saddened by the mentality of some people but certainly not afraid.



As for the Asil Nadir/prostitution/drug problem comment - sorry but that is just laughable, straight out of the Propaganda Files.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 19:06

troodo /kyrenia007

propaganda is all they have ,they have not got the balls to say ,yes we got it

wrong yes we messed up good and proper .

dont you think had they did this we would of been further up the road instead

they just keep blaming it on anyone and anything apart themselves i have

yet too meet a greek person say yes it was our fault and its down to us to put

right.

what has asil nadir got to do with anything ,come on people please keep it real.

long live kktc.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 19:18

msg 31



safe

kyrenia007


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 19:27

You are right Musin. I will say that I have met very open minded Greek Cypriots who are as frustrated with the propaganda as we are but unfortunately it appears that they are in the minority. Cypriots are warm hearted and welcoming people, nobody is denying this but we have two languages, two religions and history has proved time and time again that given time the majority will always try and control or restrict the minority, whether that is achieved via politics or economics.



I do not believe that this will change. The island has been in peace for 34 years and in my opinion the only viable solution is partition and the acceptance and recognition of the Republic of Northern Cyprus as a separate and independent state. If and when the time comes to vote for unification I will be firmly putting a cross in the "No" box. This stalemate has gone on for far too long, and our community has been held back for far too long - enough is enough.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 22:46

kyrenia007 - "we have two languages, two religions and history has proved time and time again that given time the majority will always try and control or restrict the minority, whether that is achieved via politics or economics."



Absolutely agree with this. Biology as well as history might support this. Personally, in the long run I think the TC's would be bonkers to vote yes, but I can understand why they would. The GC's have them by the short and curlies. You TC's must be the most forgiving people on the planet.

The GC's can't control militarily, they made this mistake before and will have learnt that hard lesson well, politics and economics presents a more covert and surreptitious way of achieving dominance.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
01/08/2008 22:51

kyrenia007

i will be right behind you with my" no"

long live the kktc.

turbo


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 06:19

Message 36, RobnJo

turbo


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Message Posted:
02/08/2008 06:22

Message 36, RobnJo

You forgot to add two of the more important items.



Child Porn, traced to South Cyprus and:

Human trafficking , it is listed up there in the top ten, South Cyprus.

These are EU statistics.