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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 16:26

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Homes from hell Mon 12th July featured the Orams

They have given up their TRNC home after finally losing in British appeal court, but don't know when programme was actually recorded

Neither of them seemed very upset and were shown moving their belongings out, don't know where too

Marian Stokes was shown very briefly stating result could effect other TRNC ex-pat properties

So GC won, interesting

I was left wondering if he intends to move in / claim land / replant lemon trees in near future


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 16:41

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Throstle. You can stop wondering. The answer is "no he won't"


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 17:10

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The one thing with Linda and David Orams they have kept their dignity throughout all of the last whatever years. The fact they did not appear upset is they will have cried all the tears long ago.

They are too proud to show any emotion to the ******* GC and his crooked lawyer who has just watched the Euros pouring into his bank account.


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 17:15

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I too could not believe the dignity with which they behaved. My heart went out to them


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 17:19

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yes i think the trnc government acted well in paying there legal bill. i think they would have felt even more distressed, if they had to pay the 3/4 million pound bill


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 17:25

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A agree, Linda and David have kept their dignity remarkably well. I felt for Linda when she cried after losing the case in the European Court. It goes to show that it's still a very emotional and painful ordeal for them.

I honestly feel that they are fighting this on berhalf of all of us i.e. British ex-pat home-owning community in Cyprus, they have been forced to take up the fight against the Greek Cypriot propaganda and legal machine. I have this uneasy feeling that they're not getting the support they should be getting from for a a few online petitions and goodwill messages, i don't think we're supporting them as much as we should be. I know they get financial support from the government but i think we should be giving more moral support - maybe our presence and vocal support or protest outside the court hearing? I don't know , but i have the feeling we as a community should be doing more because the Orams represent us, afterall it could have been anyone of us ...


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 17:34

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I believe Embargoed regularly organised people to be outside the court. Unfortunaltey there was usually more GC there than people supporting the Orams. Ipek in her columns in Cyprus Today has made comments to this effect.

It is exactly the same at every "protest" event organised here. Lots of people whinge and moan but will not turn out to make a presence that would be felt.


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 18:20

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If the Orams is a lesson then that lesson is....If you want a second home in the TRNC DON'T DO IT. If you want to retire to the TRNC and give up everything in the UK, then go for it.

The only reason the Greek Cypriot went after the Orams was because they have assets in the UK.

If you have no assets in the UK, then there is no case to answer as they can't pass judgement on a country that doesn't exist or a government that is not recognised. So ANY judgement in ANY court in the world, outside of the TRNC or Turkey, cannot be enforced and the litigant just wastes their money.

So all of you who up sticks and have no assets in the UK, you can sleep safely in your bed. It's those who have assets in the UK who may be getting court appearance letters and the Orams case being used as precedent.

So it's up to you. Hope that a Greek Cypriot never comes knocking or sell up ALL your your UK assets to be 100% that Greek Cypriot won't get his land back.


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 18:25

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the house in the uk is in my name and the villa in NC is in my wife's name remind me how safe i am from GC ttreats


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 19:34

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Enforcement upon assets is not restricted to just land and property but also includes monies in Banks, pensions, and salaries.


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 19:40

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Orams situation cannot arise so long as IPC is recognised by the EU courts. In a few years time they will conclude that as all the application have been dealt with adequately, then there no more property cases to be considered. The GC have dug themselves a huge hole for not applying to the IPC.


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 19:50

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Bash IPC no worries no claim on UK assets don't let the current facts get in the way of a TV programme by explaining the facts fully there's a time limit on the IPC then there are no GC claims end of )


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 20:02

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Can someone please tell me where it is documented that there is a time limit on IPC claims, then that's it?

I was always under the impression the the ECHR had stated that GC's do not have to use this mechanism and can wait until there is an agreed solution.

Are you actually saying that if they do not use the IPC before a certain time, they lose their property and it then becomes legally yours?


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 20:13

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No, If they don't apply then they will have to wait for a negotiated settlement. I can't find it now but it was mention somewhere, either for 2 or 3 years. The property will not be yours till the negotiated settlement. But you can be sure of one thing, it will gain in value after the negotiated settlement.


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 20:16

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The Europeans have said all claims must be dealt with by IPC.

You can wait for peace settlement but there is a good chance they will refer you in Settlement to make a claim to IPC.

This was why they advised people not to bother waiting if they intended making a claim.


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Message Posted:
13/07/2010 21:15

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The 31st December 2011 is the current deadline, but who's to say it wont be extended.

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