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coffeeman


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17/07/2010 13:00

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After waiting 6 years not 5 with continual permits this month due to get citizenship, then the new prime minister puts a hold on any new citizenships because fears of a population growth. Not a normal cut off date for those who have already began the procedure but stopped with immiediate effect. Dont you just love the Gov of this island



Deniz1


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Understand your frustration can you explain to me the advantages of citizenship?



keithcaley



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coffeeman,

6 years for citizenship?

I thought that it was 6 years to qualify for Permanent Residency, and something like 10 years before you could apply for Citizenship.

Anyone know better?



coffeeman


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Yes I can open private bussiness. Also pay less tax less sigorta not have to keep spending time and money etween offices to stay here leagaly each year



coffeeman


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its actually 5 years for citizenship but you need a 6th permit for some reason



deputydawg


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I thought it was as detailed by Keith. Oh, hold on a minute, a politician has his lips moving !



Deniz1


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Irrelevant now but was it expensive?



kaiserphil


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Try this:



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/34875.asp



walkerscott


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Accept it as it is. We all knew the newly elected party would be different.



It is rather interesting though. It shows that as long as Turkey allow this line of policy (and they have the final say, no matter what anyone believes) it indicates that there will never be a solution to the divided island in the near future.



If there was a solution of kinds and the Northern part recognised as an integral part of the EU then they couldn't stop members of other EU countries flooding the north to live! So this ban on citizenship doesn't make sense because it brings very little anyway except for bypassing that absurd law about starting up businesses!



This may be a blessing in disguise!



sarahbrighton


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17/07/2010 14:08

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Why is this allowed to happen how long must i work too can i get citizenship or residency which is best



sarahbrighton


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17/07/2010 14:09

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why do they do this



elko2



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17/07/2010 14:19

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If you are married to a TRNC citizen you can apply after 1 year of residence, otherwise 5 years. However residency for the required period simply means that you qualify to apply. It does not mean that you can have it as of right. As far as men are concerned, then they will be subject to national service no matter what age.

ismet



waddo


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Will the North stay in the EU even if there is a settlement that permanently divides the Island? If the answer ends up being yes then the North will have to abide by EU rules regarding citizenship.

If the answer is no and the North gets slung out of the EU, would you think that it would then be taken under the wing (officialy) of Turkey and have to abide by the Turkish rules regarding citizenship?



My ultimate aim was to gain citizenship, for personal reasons, but would be happy with permanent residency which has not yet suffered any change - 5 years of temporary and then a stamp in the passport for year 6 and you can apply.



Citizenship went from 6 years to 15 years to 10 years to however much of a "Bung" you managed to give to the right stamp person - have no idea what it is now apart from "You can't have it" which seems to be a major retrograde step in the growth of a new country where all the locals are leaving.. Soon the only TRNC Citizen will be able to vote himself into p



cyprusishome


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17/07/2010 14:26

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coffeeman



Afraid you got your facts wrong about citezenship. It is 5+1 to get permanent residency. No changes happened for 2 years there as far as I remember.



There is a difference between perm res. and citezenship. Think you got to go back and read up again and figure why you actually want citezenship.



malsancak


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plus, the intention seems to be to base citizenship on more than just years of residency - how about having to pass a test in Turkish just like in the UK new applicants have to pass a test in English?



waddo


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malsancak, now that is a damn good idea! However, it will also open up lots of jobs in schools for out of hours workers teaching Turkish and that would be good for the country to. The flip side may even provide jobs for new "Citizens" in English teaching for the Turkish speaker.



My old man always used to say "If somebody can think it up, then someday, somebody will do it". He had just read a fiction novel about the future where people talked to each other on tiny little boxes!!!!!



Its not hard to see advantages in changing the citizenship requirements I only hope they think about it first.



Hector


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"Dont you just love the Gov of this island"

No.



mmmmmm



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IF there is a settlement and the EU Directives apply north of the Green line, then you won't NEED citizenship.. you SHOULD have the right to live where you like - no need for PTP..



[ the RoC had a five year derogation allowing only 1 house pre non Cypriot - easily circumvented by having a company ! ]



elko2



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Marky wrote, "If ......". Of course it is a very big if. Not for me thank you. I have my British Passport in my pocket but I ain't going anywhere.

ismet



mahdel


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Can't you pay a certain amount of money to get out of the National Service portion if you're male? I'm eligible (or at least I was, if this freeze is correct) due to my wife's citizenship but thought I'd have to pay 10K sterling. Is that right or no?



hal9000


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18/07/2010 00:15

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Elko; Msg 12

I remember the case a couple of years ago of an expat guy of over 60 getting his citizenship and then having to do his army service for a couple of weeks.

Don't the rules say that if you can prove you've done enough time in the military of your own country you are exempt from military service?

I did 24 years. Does that exempt me from two weeks' square-bashing?



the butler


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18/07/2010 00:57

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Msg 20,



You can pay 3000 to get out of military service, this is all a friend of mine paid.





The butlers wife



LaptaMike


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as a matter of interest, what are the medical exemptions for doing military service?



Groucho



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18/07/2010 04:55

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Mike,



Death, is an exemption...



No legs

No head

No teeeth



only reduce the length of service...



Well...



blade


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18/07/2010 12:18

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Last year I was told it was 5 years for residency then another 15 years for citizenship.

I did get this info from a friend who before retirement ran the kimlik office.



When I mentioned gary robb, no comment.



elko2



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18/07/2010 13:02

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msg. 21:

The law says if you have already done a military service in another country or if you are exempt, you do not have to do it here as well. This made me believe at one time that all British were exempt but this is nbot so, they are only excused from military service and indeed they may be called upon to do it at Queen's pleasure

Those living abroad or those who registered with the army and spent certain number of years abroad can opt out for a very short service but pay a good sum of money. Never mind the details. This option is not a matter of choice just for anybody.

ismet



girne 29


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Ask the advice of Gary Robb on how he managed it super quick. Whats a 'brown envelope' anyway.?



waddo


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18/07/2010 14:12

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Ismet,

Quite right. No matter how long your original length of service was with the British Military - you can never be free of the obligation to go back "at the Queens pleasure" for a further period of time should she require your services. Just for fun - There is a little catch to that as well, the UK law also applies to the Queen and should she call back any ex service person who has served a pensionable engagement, then she must also call back to service all other service peronnel, regardless of age and sex. Sadly for her it means that she would be calling herself back to duty as an Army Driver!!!! Hope she still has a licence but then she would not need one I guess.

Anyway - point is that once a service person, always a service person even when you have left!!!!



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