pauline read arrested and charged computer seized!

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 18:42

hot off the press pauline read was arrested and charged &computer seized!Today.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 18:51

Read final comment on this story by Pauline.



http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/10/13/trnc-governments-refusal-of-peaceful-silent-candlelit-vigil-is-illegal/

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 18:56

possibly attempting top pervert justice by commenting on the geoff day case as she has been doing?

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 19:10

Have been reading about this in the paper and it seems like a terrible thing. north cyprus seems like a socity with laws for the rich and sodd the rest.

juliamoons



Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 849

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 19:21

I am shocked and can't believe it. I met her a couple of days back in Alsancak a lovely lovely lady.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 20:42

Pauline, keep strong, you have so much support, this is what really p----- them off. In our thoughts x

helper


Joined: 16/01/2009
Posts: 235

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 20:49

Good luck Pauline, we pray for you

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 20:52

RE msg 1, LordJim: (...) hot off the press pauline read was arrested and charged &computer seized!Today. (...)

=> Hot of which press?! Can you be more specific, please.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 21:04

Dutch read NCFP I no not doubt the source

natalie


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Posts: 323

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 21:11

Should have read 'no not' before Dutch pulls me up!

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 21:13

Calm down, Natalie. Errm, what is the difference between "no not" and "no not"..?!

littleme


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 21:18

Pauline I hope you get this we are thinking of you & do what you do best for all BE STRONG (I AM WITH YOU IN SPIRIT) & you know how strong that is. x

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 21:34

littleme (mess 12)



Don't worry Pollymarples is stronger than you and me in spirit



natalie (mess 10)



Free speech is very important, to Pollymarples and most of the civilized world! such a shame free speech comes with a price in the TRNC!



Pauline, Keep the Bloody Faith!

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 21:44

Any 1 know why she has been arrested?

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 21:50

Dutch just a misprint. So very bloody angry that this wonderful person is being treated this way with all she and others, Geoff and Mary, AGAB and all have had to suffer. Not illegal to protest? Perhaps now is the time. Big time

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 21:57

I have no idea how to organise such an event, but will be behind the first person that can

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 22:11

Print and put it on the back of your car: http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/Freedom_of_Speech_Pauline_Read.jpg

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 22:26

zercholar (Mr Pool Cleaner) (mess 14)



Come back to the UK (and you might understand)? (Living in a little coloured prism of a bubble it's easy to have "Rose coloured tinted spectacles" to protect you against the sun)!



natalie (mess 16)



Just sit and wait to see what happens next in Airy Fairy Land!

Attila


Joined: 27/06/2010
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 22:29

Is this what we fought for all those years to be oppressed by our own kind? Shame on the lot of them.

What a wasted lifetime of struggle.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 22:35

DutchCrusader (mess 17)



What a Star you are! it's on the back of my car already



X

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 22:49

The authorities have shown this time and time again They are not interested in ExPat rights and all they want is our money. It's so sad that such a lovely place has such low esteem of its investors.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 23:15

Jetski (mess 21)

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 23:21

God knows what happened there?



yes I agree the authorities time and time again, instead of stopping the corruption, try to stop free speech! when will they ever learn?

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 23:27

Re : Msg 17,



DC,



Gut gemacht! Toll!

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 23:31

RE msg 24, Clarissa2: "Das Wort ist mächtiger als das Schwert", hoffe ich noch immer!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 23:54

Why this is real bad news to comehome to, god i hope she remains strong. this is enough to make us want to leave.i cant take this in, what on earth for, for speaking her mind. Hans print a million stickers. this is so wrong x

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
14/10/2010 23:56

Perhaps the TRNC government cannot stomach the truth! Yet another very sad day for the TRNC.

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 00:05

All I can say, I hope the government understands that there might be an open, violent uprising by the expats if they continue with their attitude.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 00:08

so very sad, what are they doing to us x

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 00:20

Dutchcrusader/Clarissa2 (mess24/ 25)



I had to google the dutch language to understand!



I wish I could speak your language as well as you can speak mine!



X

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 00:36

i wish we could all speak the language these people will understand. This beggars belief, this coupled with Geoff and Mary. Who in their right mind would come here now, Oh yes gamblers for all the lovely new hotels. The laundry business is good now, put your money in and it comes out clean. No need to use vanish

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 00:42

Lilli (mess 31)



Eventually you have to bleach the dirty laundry, otherwise it has to be thrown away

apc2010


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Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 01:52

what were the charges ...???? can elko help....?????

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 02:10

Re : Msg 25,



Ach, DC,



darauf kann man nur hoffen...

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 06:45

Pauline does not want to disclose the charges at the moment, but the fact that she has been charged and had legal counsel at the police station is very worrying. There is a meeting today at 11am at the Simena Hotel where the reporter Simon Bachelli from Cyprus Mail (ROC) wants to gather information about building associated problems. He is a Reuters reporter. Pauline will be there and I think she needs all the support she can get.



Please can someone post directions to the Simena Hotel?

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 06:52

Coming from Girne head for Lapta keeping on the main road through Lapta into Karsiyaka and the Semena Hotel is on the right.



Chris

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 08:33

RE msg 30, TRNCvictim: (...) I had to google the dutch language to understand! (...)

=> Sorry, off topic, but a clarification is needed here! I wrote in msg 25 to Clarissa2: ""Das Wort ist mächtiger als das Schwert", hoffe ich noch immer!"".

This is not Dutch, my first language, it's German (because Clarissa2 wrote a message in German to me)!

German: "Das Wort ist mächtiger als das Schwert", hoffe ich noch immer!"

Dutch: "Het woord is machtiger dan het zwaard", hoop ik nog altijd!"

English: "The word is mightier than the sword", I still hope.

The three languages are closely related, but for a Dutchman the difference between German and Dutch is rather important!

Anyway, back to the top!

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 08:40

The word is only mightier than the sword if one is able to use the word.

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 09:49

The comments at the bottom of Pauline's last article make interesting reading:



http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/10/13/trnc-governments-refusal-of-peaceful-silent-candlelit-vigil-is-illegal/



Even ptepike is expressing his support and urging caution on her part.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 10:07

remsg 39



Not sure why the 'even' - he has long told of corruption and unfairness and been pilloried for it !



Pauline.. WHEN you get a chance to read this on a computer.... Well done for sticking up for what you believe in..



Sadly, *I* don't have the faith in Mr Denktash that you do - but may be it is time to see if he really is as interested in the 'cred' of 'TRNC' ?

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 10:12

Does any on have any information on the charges I suspect either contempt of court or insulting the court/prosecution the latter is much harder to defend.



If either of the above what are the penalty options available in trnc please ?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 11:50

Could one of the charges be: 'attempt to subvert, or bring in to disrepute, the TRNC judicial system'?



Geoff's and Mary's treatment, from the moment they set foot back on TRNC soil, has been not only an infringement, but an abomination, of their human rights. Perhaps, a 'blatant racist vendetta' would be a more apt description of their inhumanly handled ordeal.



In my humble opinion, the British High Commission AND the UN should have intervened on their behalf from the very outset.



Pauline Read's [alleged] arrest is a horrific example of the 'bully-boy' tactics now being perpetrated. How long before TRNC is deemed by all foreigners to be a 'no go' area? Surely, the FCO are monitoring events - or, are they?



One thing is for certain: the more the TRNC is allowed to get away with this sort of behaviour, with complete immunity and impunity, the more they are going to be convinced that they are 'untouchable'. This is not the way to preserve their precious 'status quo'!



No

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 12:07

I kept clear of this subject so far on purpose but I think it is time I expressed my opinion on the subject. I have every sympathy for Geoff and I appreciate his stand to resist the easy way out and not to "plead guilty" from the start. However he knew that his choice for justice meant a long way ahead.

In 1979 I was returning from UK to Cyprus by coach and we enterred Turkey on a Sunday. The customs officer asked for 10 TL bribe from me for a parcel I had with me. I refused and let the coach go without me. I went to Istanbul same day, borrowed a nice sum of money from a friend and put it down as security. I travelled to Istanbul and then flew to Ercan with my parcel after lots of formalities at the customs. It cost me a lot of money and stress but that was my choice. Eventually I reported the customs men to the presdient of Turkey and they were tried at the assizes court and punished.

Now back to Geoff: for one moment suppose he is guilty. He is having a proper chance to defend himself. All efforts to put the court under pressure to decide in favour of Geoff is wrong.

I would like the trial to be more swift but the delays are not specific to this case. Unfortunately it does happen. It was also wrong to keep him in custody for two days at the start and I do not approve it but unfortunately it happens all the time as a normal proceedure.

Let us give the court a chance to make the right decision without duress.

ismet

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 12:07

It may be my fault, but I have not found any detailed, readable information about the case of Mrs Pauline Read yet. Unless we all know more I think it would be wise not to blame a whole country for the deeds of one or more men in Nicosia. It won't help Mrs Read's case if we go on shouting in this thread without exactly knowing about what we shout.

Isn't there a TC C44 member who could collect some or more information for us from media in the Turkish language?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 12:19

LordJim

Re your message 41:

'If either of the above what are the penalty options available in trnc please ?'



At the minimum it will be deportation. I would advise people to be extremely careful about what they post and what they do that directly insults the government.

AJ

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 12:51

Very wise advise AJ, ....It is looked upon as 'treason' to the state,... even if you may be right..



to be seen to hold a demonstration if its not kept peaceful, it could mean deportation, please be very careful.



Even in GB, you can only hold a large demo with the permission of the police....

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:06

elko2/msg 43: 'It was also wrong to keep him in custody for two days at the start and I do not approve it but unfortunately it happens all the time as a normal proceedure.'



So, what you are saying, even if you, admittedly, don't approve, is that a local can make a false charge against a foreigner concerning a real, or imaginary, pecuniary dispute and the foreigner will be arbitarily arrested immediately on arrival in TRNC?



So, what you are, in effect, saying, AJ, is that pensioners can be 'legally' conned out of their homes, yet must remain silent, or risk insulting any government [that has stood back and condoned all this skulduggery], or they and any expatriate sympathisers, who also express similar criticism, face deportation?



I am sure all forum members would like to be enlightened on 'elko2's' opinion about this - also, whether, or not, this is 'normal procedure'?

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:23

Also, whether it is normal procedure to confiscate passports and hold them until, presumably, the result of the trial. Which could mean a very lengthy, unplanned stay in TRNC for someone who may have been falsely accused of a petty crime...

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:30

Sixems, the 'even' concerning Campbell is quite justified, as I'm sure you understand. His post relating to this issue was a very good one, but 'even' you would have to admit his long record of highlighting corruption and unfairness has been from one side only.



That said, I echo his sentiments about this issue and join him in hoping Pauline is able to come unscathed out of whatever trouble she may be in.

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:33

Well put Tenakoutou (msg 47). Tinpot banana republic comes to mind!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:39

dizzycows (mess 46)



So "Free Speech is looked upon as "treason to the state" as far as I knew the TRNC was in Europe (it certainly takes enough of my money) through the EU! what a frightening prospect for anyone living there,that they must put up and shut up with whatever is dished out to them by a corrupt Government, and keep their mouths firmly shut, hopefully the European Court of Human Rights, can show the TRNC what "Human Rights" mean!



Tenakoutou (mess 47)



Good post as always! maybe when they have finished deporting anyone with a shread of honesty, they can ignore the crumbling half built villa's, dead animals, and litter, and get on with colluding with the real crooks, some of which took them a very very long time, and a lot of hard work from the UK to eventually manage to deport!

nareik


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:51

This is shocking news. When you think things can't get any worse in TRNC - they do. I really fear for this country: I had hoped that all the adverse publicity surrounding K5, Geoff and Mary, Akfinans Bank et al would awaken the moral spirit within the people/government of the TRNC but alas it has re-awakened the monster. Tiananmen Square springs to mind.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:59

msg. 47

Ten wrote:

"So, what you are saying, even if you, admittedly, don't approve, is that a local can make a false charge against a foreigner concerning a real, or imaginary, pecuniary dispute and the foreigner will be arbitarily arrested immediately on arrival in TRNC?"

No, I am not saying that at all. You are jumping to conclusions and assuming that it was a false charge. The police has to deal with every complaint and decide on the merits of the case whether to prosecute or not. It is their job. You may think otherwise and subscribe to various conspiracy theories which I cannot comment about because I do not have the details. Howeverit is the courts that give the final verdict. Also bear in mind that after the prosecution closed the case, Peyman pleaded "No prima facie case" for the defence, i.e. no case to answer for but the judge decided otherwise. So we cannot dismiss this case as a false prosecution.



Anyone charged with a criminal offence has to surrender his/her travel documents however the court can give permission to depart from the island subject to certain conditions and security. All normal practice. For this reason I will not drive in another country for fear of an accident.





ismet

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 14:40

TRNCVictim, Im all for free speech and but they will now be looking for others to arrest just to make it look good, just asking for people to be careful whilst they are on the look out for some one to blame....



Having myself been nearly arrested and threatened in GB by our own police, its worse if you are living in another country. Remember most of these people are now living in NC, and they can be deported....



We all wish Pauline to come out of this, but to cause an unrest at this moment could back fire on her....

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 14:46

Malsancak is either very busy or very quiet ! ...



I'd certainly like to know IF Pauline Read has been charged and what the offence is...



AJ: I know your advice is sound, but it is NOT the advice folk need to hand out in any nation of the EU, nor one that is subject to the council of Europe - which by Turkey's membership 'TRNC' is ....



Sure we need *facts*, but we already know that Pauline's 'run ins' are now subject to external scrutiny - for 'fairness' .



Keeping one's head down - is not what people should do if they ARE being unfairly treated..

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 14:47

As Elko says surely it will depend on what she has been charged with?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 15:05

John

Ref. message 47

Do not try to put words into my mouth. I am purely giving advice on what I know. I will not get involved in this discussion any more. If people do not want to take valid advice then it is up to them.

AJ

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 15:24

dizzycows (mess 54)



Why would they be looking for more to arrest? we don't know what Pauline has been charged with, but to try to frighten people into being silent is immoral, many people in Europe have died to have the right to Free Speech and for any Government in Europe to try to silence that right must be against "Human Rights"



I have only ever found the police in the UK to be sympathetic to what has happened to TRNC victims, why Pauline wasn't allowed to silently hold a candle is beyond belief in any civilized country, but to hold the threat of deportation over someone, for no other reason than they tell the truth is contemptible at best and downright inhumane at worst



6m's (mess 55)



How right you are, to keep one's head down when victims are being persecuted again for no other reason than telling the truth is contemptible in it's self, it smacks of fear for ones self, and not for the good of everyone! as Pauline said the only thing you have to fear is fear it's self!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 15:59

Mark

'AJ: I know your advice is sound, but it is NOT the advice folk need to hand out in any nation of the EU, nor one that is subject to the council of Europe - which by Turkey's membership 'TRNC' is ....'



There is a difference between influencing people and advising those that may not realise what they could be getting into.

I do not care two hoots if people take my advise or not but the advise should be there for people to make up their own minds about how they want to tackle the problems that they face. Simple!

Molly


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 17:00

My understanding is that Pauline was asked to go to the police station and to take her computer which was subsequently seized.



Not certain if she has been charged as yet.



Her reporting of Geoff Day's ONGOING case was irresponsible in my view although she had toned the recent reports down. This does not justify the heavy handed over sensitive action by the authorities in my opinion but we are visitors in a foreign country.



Ipek Ozerim of the Cyprus Today writes eloquently but still manages to convey her disgust and dismay with the authorities of the TRNC.



Undoubtedly there is much change needed - let's try and do it with decorum and dignity.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 17:33

The Brinks Matt heist trial was headline news in UK, just as the 'Pots Of Paint' trial is 'top profile' for TRNC. In both such highly publicised cases, wide media coverage with the attendant criticism and speculation can be expected - it is the norm. So, why does 'elko2' and others condemn the 'armchair judges' and critics on this and other forums for prejudicing the case?



The trial is being conducted in Turkish when it suits the court and with an English/Turkish translator when it doesn't! The point I'm trying to make is that it is highly unlikely that any outside opinion would be given any consideration, or credence, whatsoever, by the court. In any event, the case is being, and will continue to be commented on, favourably, or unfavourably, by both the local and foreign media - including US, the despised proletariat! Aside from the 'Pots Of Paint' charade, it is precisely this that should be noted by those who are in a position to institute change in the TRNC.

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 17:37

mmmmm ... the 'even' referred to the fact that ptepike has always been critical of people living on esdeger land, but was expressing support for the stance that Pauline has taken. As for the charges, yavaş yavaş, all will be revealed in tomorrow's edition of Cyprus Today. People will then be more aware of the facts on which to base their opinions.

DeaconB


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 18:09

It is early to jump to conclusions but we all know the quotation:



All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing



This pure evil, what are BHC doing? What is the point of them?



This is the thin end of the wedge, do nothing be next.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 18:36

The BHC are not interested at all in these things, they do not want to help at all.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 18:44

One wonders what the Hell BHC are here for - just to sit drinking cups of tea, twiddling their thumbs and mouthing platitudes - get rid of them.

DeaconB


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:21

North and South Cypriots whinge and cry about how they have been persecuted one by the other but just look how fast they are prepared to persecute foreigners themselves. I have many good Cypriot friends who I would disassociate from this comment and they are just as disgusted as I am by these events. Again, it is too early to jump to conclusions, but standing idly by waiting to see who the next victim will be is not a good option and is the very behaviour that allowed Hitler to destroy a nation.



2673 views it seems many don't have much to say

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:33

Thank you for your most poignant posting [Msg 66], DeaconB - you're 'right on the button'!

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:51

Perhaps we should put Pauline forward for a Nobel Peace Prize? That would highlight her plight.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:51

Pauline and all good luck and keep strong

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:47

Dear Sloan



>>the 'even' referred to the fact that ptepike has always been critical of people living on esdeger land<<



And rightly so... as many folk know - there was no 'exchange' - that ASSumed both parties agreed..



>>but [ ' Pikey' ] was expressing support for the stance that Pauline has taken<<



I think that is the respect for a journo putting in print something that might result in personal problems...



>>As for the charges, yavaş yavaş, all will be revealed in tomorrow's edition of Cyprus Today. People will then be more aware of the facts on which to base their opinions.<<



If you know more, please 'do tell' the rag you refer to isn't on-line !

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
Posts: 808

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 23:54

I was really heartened by Campbell's support and found his posting very sensitive. As you cannot access Cyprus Today online, I am sure someone will precis it tomorrow. Only another 8 hours to wait.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 00:27

Hi Sloan



Hopefully, someone who knows - and can be bothered will let us know !! Is there some sort of press embargo ! ?

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 01:51

Msg 71... sloan.

pls. Cyprus Today??? Come on, they cant even get the weather right.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 03:28

........and you all(most) had a go at me whan I was telling you to live TRNC government out of your personnal problems........

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 03:36

dear mmmmmmm;

or shoul;d I say....mr.knows it all;



>>"there was no 'exchange' "<<



Yes there was and there is,you agree with it or not is another matter,not that it 'even'matters.

Exchande/esdeger has taken place WITHIN.

How else did you expect us to survive for the past 36 years before the eyes of the rest of the world when all the aid had been sent only went as far as the south or should I refer to IT as 'roc?

Talk is cheap they say when in actual fact it is FREE.



Ismet abi;

Points very well made.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 03:39

On 27 February 2006 the EU approved an aid regulation for the benefit of the Turkish Cypriot community aimed at putting an end to the isolation of this community and helping prepare for the reunification of the island 2 €259 million was voted in 2006 for this programme which is to be implemented by the Commission (DG Enlargement) over five years.

apc2010


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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 03:48

http://www.propertyshowrooms.com/cyprus/property/news/article-762.html



sorry off topic a bit reply to msg 75

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 03:51

msg 76;



Is that meant to be a joke or an insult????????

apc2010


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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 03:53

a fact , not mine the eu...........................

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 03:55

............which is an insult.............

apc2010


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Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 03:57

why ,do you not want the money...???????

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 03:58

no ta,you need it more.Proved it over the years.

sloan



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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 07:20

mmmmm ..... the only press embargo was that requested by Pauline herself as she considered the implications and waited for this morning's edition of Cyprus Today.



For those of you not in the TRNC, the headline reads 'See you in court'. The charge is insulting Girne District Court and a prosecution lawyer in the Geoffry Day case.



For those of you in the TRNC, the story is for all to read on page 1 and page 4.

juliamoons



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Posts: 849

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 07:39

Sloan thanks for that information.

So I am wondering if it is the prosecution lawyer who has brought these charges against Pauline. Having re-read some of Pauline's stuff I can maybe understand why. I suppose we all thought/think the way in which Pauline writes is rather amusing, and it is. But that is the way we are, especially in times of crisis. If we can add some humour to desperate times it eases the tension.

Chin up Pauline we will all be in court with you. xoxo

sloan



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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 08:14

Page 4 says a summons is expected to be served next week with a date for her to appear in court.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 09:23

Turkish Cypriot lawyer Peyman Erginal, according to Cyprus Today, accused the Attorney General’s office of “treating him (Geoff Day) worse than a mass murderer” but somehow Pauline Read's comments are seen to be a worse criticism than tat of one of their own lawyers. Read more (if you are in North Cyprus you may not be allowed to) on http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/10/16/freedom-of-speech-in-the-trnc-is-being-tested/

elko2



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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 10:00

I have just writtten my comment on north cyprus free press. http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/10/16/freedom-of-speech-in-the-trnc-is-being-tested/

It is awaiting moderation, no doubt it will be published. here it is anyway.

"It is not illegal to criticize TRNC or its legal system however it is illegal to state or infer that the verdicts given in courts are biased or influenced improperly. Hence the criticism of the defence lawyer accusing the Attorney General’s office of bad treatment of her client is perfectly in order but any statements likely to damage the credibility of courts or to influence the decision in one way or other is illegal. During the colonial days, the late Dr. Kuchuk, the owner of Halkin Sesi newspaper was fined several times on this count."



ismet

wanderer


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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 10:01

Mal your site is not loading I've been trying since 6 am used google chrome & ms explorer everything else works

I can watch bbc breakfast news no problem live But NCFP falls over every time are there issues your end (slightly off subject sorry)

DeaconB


Joined: 13/07/2010
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 10:20

The Turkish Government must be cringing at the antics of these clowns digging themselves deeper and deeper into to the mire. This has got nothing to do with a court case and everything to do with a lady attempting to protest about inhuman treatment by what is proving to be a corrupt regime with crooked controlled legal system using the Robert Muggabe guide to fairness. Pauline has already proved how trustworthy and honest the police are so I just hope that he got a receipt for her computer in triplicate.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 10:27

re 75 Yorg

>>dear mmmmmmm;

or shoul;d I say....mr.knows it all; <<



1/ I KNOW that it has been ruled WITHOUT - by a Court that TR recognises - that the properties are still owned by those as per RoC deeds of July 74..



2/ I KNOW that the IPC was forced on TR to consider those so disfranchised.



So.. so much for your 'exchange' !



Now, back to Pauline, eh ?



Hi Sloan re 83



As I understand it, you were respecting Pauline's wishes - thank you.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 12:21

msg 90;



"As I understand it, you were respecting Pauline's wishes - thank you."



I DO.



Why do 'you' feel the need to bring cyprus issue into Pauliner's thread.

OR

Who are you or the rest of ther world to decide on this whilst sitting on your comfortable cushion.

You WILL eccept our existance,exchange HAS taken place and 'you' as the rest of the world could do jack s**t about it or should I say 'you dont give a s**t about it'.

WHY?

Our issue has got f**k all to do with you.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 12:32

Mark just been reading your rhetoric.

I will ask you one question, what will happen to all of the TC property that the original owners had title deeds to but subsequently find that these title deeds have been altered/falsified to show GC ownership? Do you not think that the ROC should rectify this 'problem'

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 13:56

thank you from Pauline for allyour support. The article in Cyprus Today is very accurate because Ian

Shepherd kindly escorted Pauline and Chris to the police station.



She was NOT ARRESTED, although it felt like it because they wouldnot let her go home alone and bring back

the computer. At first they said they were going to search her home but she got a little beligerant and insisted on seeing a search warrant, they said they didn't need one, but in the event, they did not search her

home. They did however insist of following her to her home and did take posession of her computer. There

were four police officers. When she went back tothe police station she was met by an advocate who

told her to put TO WRITE SHE DID NOT ACCEPT THE STATEMENT one of them had written in English.



She is expecting to receive a summons to appear in court next week. Another violation of her human rights

and a total violation of her privacy.

sloan



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Posts: 808

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 14:18

Good to see you back online again, pollymarples!

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 14:18

Good to see you back pollymarples, unscathed and I would think very angry!



Take is easy Pauline, so strange you maybe summoned to court next week! and yet no-one has been summoned for taking your home without the necessary documentation, and trying to run Chris over!



You must be a very strong woman to need 4 police officers

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 14:49

msg. 93

It seems to me that somebody has written on Pauline's behalf. So she is not back online. How did I reach that conclusion? Look at these two sentences:

1. "thank you from Pauline for allyour support"

2. "She was NOT ARRESTED, although it felt like it because they wouldnot let her go home alone and bring back the computer."



Am I right?

ismet

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 15:29

Dear AJ



re msg 92



>>Mark just been reading your rhetoric.



I will ask you one question, what will happen to all of the TC property that the original owners had title deeds to but subsequently find that these title deeds have been altered/falsified to show GC ownership? Do you not think that the ROC should rectify this 'problem'<<



1/ what part was 'rhetoric' ? Be precise, please.



2/ I'm aware of the accusations of falsifications and if / when proved - compensation / restitution and / or criminal proceedings should follow..



You know VERY well that I have suggested that folks should be able to go back to '63 ...





As ever, you appear a LITTLE bit selective re posts you wish to discuss / debate re what is cheating....

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 15:46

msg 90; From Yorgo - living in UK....



>>"As I understand it, you were respecting Pauline's wishes - thank you." << This was addressed to Sloan..







Why do 'you' feel the need to bring cyprus issue into Pauliner's thread.





>>Who are you or the rest of ther world to decide on this whilst sitting on your comfortable cushion. <<





Yog.. a lot of REAL experts on property and HR ruled on the plight of Cypriots .. because of ZERO movement by TR / 'TRNC'... Sadly, it took legal action to bring about precedents..



>>You WILL eccept our existance,exchange HAS taken place and 'you' as the rest of the world could do jack s**t about it or should I say 'you dont give a s**t about it'. <<



You can cary on 'kidding' yourself..



>>Our issue has got f**k all to do with you.<<



VERY 'convenient' - you forget I have friends in CY who are / are affected..



Is the weather as nice for you in the UK?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 16:20

msg 98,mmmm;



msg 90; From Yorgo - living in UK....





Is the weather as nice for you in the UK?



You can cary on 'kidding' yourself..







>>>"you forget I have friends in CY who are / are affected.. "<<<



I have alot of brothers from other mothers all over the world with their own problems,that does not make their problems MINE,never mind so called 'friends'.



WE have a simple answer for the ones like you,



On yer bike.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 18:10

elko 2 You are obviously not in on the fact that I am Pauline's alter ego, ergo wherever she goes, I have to.



Pauline was not asked to surrender her passport, she did enquire about it but was assured she would not

have to. The Police were at all times courteous in there behaviour. She is convinced that there is more to it than that which is on the surface. She feels that she has been a thorn in the flesh of too many people and has

learned how to use the Turkish Speaking press a little too well for some people's liking. The British Consul

is involved as is the British High Commission in the South. It will be interesting to see what next week brings.

She feels she has not deliberately set out to insult the court or humiliate the prosecution. I guess we Brits

appreciate satire but others may not. As soon as she was summoned to the police station she made it known to every person who has helped and the press. Thanks to Mike for the loan of his laptop

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 19:00

OK Paulne or the alter ego, I am glad that you seem to be in good spirits. I wish you would not hand over your computer to them, I would certainly refuse to do so. They can hardly accuse you of subversive activities against the state. If that was the case then they would have a good reason to examine your computer and discover your connections. Otherwise no way. I understand that they don't like what you write in the public media in which case everything is public anyway.



I wish they would call me one day but unfortunately it is only a wishful thinking

ismet

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 19:45

re 99



Yorgo .. I am mindful of who this thread is about... not us.. so please could 'we' start a new thread.. ?

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 20:02

Ismet, I am very frightened, especially as I did not know they had no right to take it. Believe me a

significant amount of psychological pressure was put on me to hand it over, they insisted on following us to our home and threatening to search our home

was a form of psychological pressure too, making it seem less extreme that in the end they only took the

computer. Do they get some sort of perverse pleasure out of intimidating and frightening an old lady.

How would they feel oif someone did it to their mother or grandmother.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 20:03

'elko2' makes a good point - [see his msg 101] - and everyone on this forum knows his co-operative and unselfish willingness to help foreigners in whatever dilemma, and in so many tricky situations. So, if Pauline's advocate knew the law, and it is reported that he represented her at the police station, why didn't he either inform the police that they had no right to confiscate her computer, or indeed, advise her that she was under no legal obligation to do so?



'No duty of care', I hear everyone chorus?!



However, 'what's done is done' - let's all hope that Pauline had the foresight to make sure that the content of her computer is well 'password protected'!



That should get 'em all 'swearing in church'!

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 20:10

Tenakoutou



I did not give the password but I am told that they will take it to Laconic and be into the harddrive in no time.

Well, if they want to be bored rigid looking at my holiday photos, then let them.

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 21:05

How can we help her?

There are lots of us that have been robbed in on way or another - we must help her.

Blackpoolfan


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Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 21:14

Message 106,

Ummmmmm and do what against the TRNC Police

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
16/10/2010 22:39

Ah, Miss Pollymarples - curiouser and curiouser!



We all hope and trust that you have made provision, and are 'one jump ahead'!



Have you been in touch with 'Laconic' and advised them that should they delve into, or 'expose' the private contents of your hard drive without your written consent, apart from possible ensuing litigation for infringement of privacy and violation of human rights, a substantial loss of business could result from the adverse publicity associated with such an action?

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 23:05

Tenakoutou (mess 108)



I am pollymarples sidekick Ms Watson!



You are so right, (as always) we must be one jump ahead!!!!!



What we all have to watch out for is the Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde's of which there are many!



Blackpoolfan (mess 107)



Ermmm "The TRNC Police are the least of our problems"!!!!



Ivorbankloan (mess 106)



We have all been robbed not only of our life savings, but of our dignity, our privacy, our health, and any decent retirement we worked hard for all our lives!

sloan



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Posts: 808

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 08:19

I am still concerned about the confiscation of Pauline's computer. When she asked the police about a search warrant, she was told they did not need one. We are holding a rental lease for a friend and have been told that it should have a clause written into it that the owner should be able to access the property if necessary, as in the TRNC, no-one, including the police can enter your property without being invited. I realise this is hearsay, as is much of what we are told and it is often difficult to get definitive answes about the law here, but would Pauline have been within her 'rights' to have refused the police entry and should they have taken the computer against her wishes?

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 08:45

They have elevated Pauline's position by doing what they have done. She is not an international spy, she certainly isn't a terrorist, she never stole a thing in her life, she is not a drugs dealer or even related to

one, the surname is Read not Robb. She did however tell me something very startling about her past -

she did once have a parking ticket for parking the wrong side of an unlit road, she did try to

explain to me that it was during an electricity strike and that the car was directly under a streetlight which

was on when she left the car but by the time she got back the light was out due to a power cut. She also

said that a zealous P.C. had put tickets on all the cars on her side of the road. Yeh, I'm not buying that one,

lock her up and throw away the key.

sloan



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Posts: 808

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 08:51

Once a satirist, always a satirist, eh polly? I hope people realise that you only found out about you expected summons to appear in court next week by reading Cyprus Today.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 09:00

msg. 110,

Sloan,

No one has the right to enter the premises of another without permission or a court warrant including the police. Of course common sense should rule in emergencies like a fire.

In lease agreements, whatever clauses you include in it, the owner has no right to enter the premises without the permission of the tenant. Of course the tenant must allow the owner to examine the premises after due notice and at a time convenient to the tenant, failing that the owner has to apply to court for an order. The lawyers normally put in clauses to that effect but it boils down to a show of words. Even if the rental agreement says that the owner can visit any time he wishes, no way, no agreement is above the law.

ismet

sloan



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Posts: 808

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 09:01

Reread my last comment and not sure that it portrayed my real meaning. Just pleased to see that you have not lost your sense of humour even though I understand just how you are feeling. Stay strong.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 09:08

Elko



In that case would you characterise this is an illegal search and seizure?

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 09:27

msg. 115

Groucho,

No it was not an illegal search or seizure because there was neither a search nor a seizure. They persuaded Pauline to hand over the computer herself.



If it happened to me I would refuse and I would not even stay at the police station. There is no such thing as "helping the police with their enquiries". Either you are under arrest or you are free to leave. So they would have to arrest me if they insisted that I stay. Then they would have to face my "false arrest" charge against the police. The young generation of lawyers know nothing about this. One possibility is that then the police would get a search warrant from a judge and then search your house with a deliberate intention to throw everything on the ground. I would be prepared for that too. So if you do not have the stomach, you better cooperate with them. Either one or the other.

ismet

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 09:53

Come back East Germany - all is forgiven.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 09:56

elko2:



Please explain what constitutes 'sedition' in TRNC?

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 10:46

Elko



They quite clearly stated 'they did not need a search warant' would you not call sending 4 police officers 3 men and 1 woman an attempt to intimidate me. I put my computer in its carrying bag to save it from damage. On leaving the premises, one officer said to me 'may I take your computer', I jokingly said

'no you may not' but he still picked it up and took it. I must admit I found him asking me strange when they had been so adamant they could take it anyway.

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 11:01

how strange they did not arrest Pauline and have ( not would appear charged her ) but said she will have to attend court at a date to be determined, before the same judge as Geoff day ?

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 11:48

There was a very shortened version of what I would call a caution, but no you are right, the exact charge

was not told to her, I suppose it will be on the summons CYPRUS TODAY refer to in Sat.'s edition.



We will have to wait and see.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 12:22

"On leaving the premises, one officer said to me 'may I take your computer', I jokingly said 'no you may not' but he still picked it up and took it."



Sounds like illegal seizure to me...

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 18:43

msg. 118

Ten wrote: "Please explain what constitutes 'sedition' in TRNC? "

It would be beyond me to try to make an all inclusive definition on the subject. I suggest you look up "Archbald Criminal Pleading Evidence & Practice". Actually the older edition say year 1936 is more valid for Cyprus because UK has moved forward on evidence but we stood still here.



msg. 119, Polly,

If you can prove what you have written, I would consider it an illegal seizure and indeed you can argue that and oppose the submission of any evidence obtained from your computer if the matter comes before a court. I suspect that they will never charge you. In any case you should make a written complaint to the police and ask your computer back based on those allegetions. You can even sue the police for illegal deprivation of use, stress etc. You tell that to any young lawyer and even some older ones and they will laugh because it will be beyond their understanding. You need a good lawyer for that. OK, may be not worth it. Sometimes I wish I was a lawyer to take such things on free of charge just for fun.

ismet (the notorious barrack room lawyer)

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 18:56

elko 2, At this stage Pauline just wants her laptop back and for it all to just go away. From experience I know

it depends on who the complainant is, just look at the lack of action when Pauline, Chris and their witness

all submitted statements against Akfinans Bank Manager and Akan Kursat - no action taken at all. I know it is

i against everything you believe in but there is a two tier system. She has much bigger battles to fight, not that she doesnt realise this could be excalated too.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
17/10/2010 19:37

Elko 2 There is a long article on the online Yenduzen today, an interview with Akan Kursat all about Kulaksiz 5

and I notice a mention f the court mem. I have in Arapkoy, although I do not see my name mentioned. Goes

a long way towards revealing who Meselebudur is on NCFP (not very bright). The point is, if you get the chance could you look at it and tell us what it is about. Cheers.

rocking


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Posts: 421

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:08

Absolutely disgusted to read of what has happened to Pauline Reid. Spoke to several TCs today who knew nothing about it and they feel as I do. Keep your spirits up Pauline, although in difficult circumstances. I think the Courts here are a joke - as do many TCs.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:37

MSG. 125, pOLLY,

Yes I have just read the article. Akan Kursat made a statement to the newspaper as the legal representative of Akfinans bank. He says that buyers can take risks but banks are trustees of their customers and therefore they are not allowed to take risks. Mortgages are used as security all over the world and as a result many houses are lost. It is said that this number is 3000 in sourth Cyprus and 30,000 in Spain.



It was up to Kulaksiz to inform its buyers about the mortgages but I have no knowledge on that matter. Those who lost money should sue the builder and not the bank. Many sued the bank due to misdirection of their lawyers and they all withdrew. So far only one buyer sued Kulaksiz and got an order for 120,000 pounds against them. They searched their assets and found 3 villas in Arapkloy and they have started the compulsory sales process today but these three villas are bought by other three people and thus their rights will be damaged

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:40

ctd.

The arguments about me is not true. I was not present when the bank changed the locks of a house at Kulaksiz and it is not true that someone drew his car onto somebody. the police investigated these allegations. These allegations are definitely not true.

The arguments about going to ECHR are designed to cause sensation. In fact there is no court decision on the subject that they could carry to ECHR. He has no information that any has been filed.

ismet



Additional note: Sorry I forgot to mention one vital point: according to the statement, the bank offered the buyers a chance not to lose the homes by offering them credit on very good terms so that they could pay back on a long term basis like twenty years but this was percieved by the buyers as buying their homes a second time.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 20:46

I was speaking last night to a lovely tc couple who had read about pauline. They were horrified at the treatment of her, geoff and aga saga. This couple are both proffesors who taught in many countries before deciding to come back to their homeland. The first home they tried to buy from a Tc was not without many problems, the same as many of us have encountered. They then bought land and did it they way so many of us should, they got quotes from architects, buidlers etc and of course did the checks. We didnt know this but what i wanted to point out they are feeling for you. Pauline we all do x

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 06:45

THANKS ELK2, If he wasn't there when the car was driven at Chris, why did he tell Cyprus Today reporter

that Chris had a baseball bat?? How come he seems to know the outcome of the Police investigation when

the complainants do not. Is he really saying that the Advocate is lying about lodging the case with the ECHR.



The article is interesting for what it does not say, and no mention OF 80% PER QUARTER COMPOUND

interest or the 'best friends' status. There are more ommissions than content. Even he would find it hard to

justify either of these things. Interestingly he tries to justify punishing the people who owe AKFINANS BANK LTD nothing, by taking their homes from them and if he wants to cite examples in other countries then

he could try citing British law, it would never have made it to court. The bank did not exercise due

diligence, the fraud was perpetrated on them, so they should chase the borrowers, it is not the legal

owners who should do the chasing.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 09:30

Unless something is lost in translation Mr Kursat is saying it is a risk buying a house here - oh dear

that will do a lot for the ailing property market., buyers can take risks (WHAT RISKS IF THE MORTAGE GETS

PUT ON after THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED AND MONEY HANDED OVER) unknown risks of course, so why

try to lay blame on the purchaser, the Banks action in giving mortgages after the properties were sold is

the reason fdor the whole problem - lack of ethics, lack of due diligence, lack of conscience. Banks are

trustees of their customers and cannot taske risks, sound practice, just a pity they didn't practice what they preach. If they had, a. they would have consulted the true owners before advancing any money, b. having

failed in that duty to their customers they should have at least made the home owners aware after 3

consecutive payments had been missed. c. No savvy business person would have entered into an agreement

to pay 80% per quarter compound and their eagerness to

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
18/10/2010 09:34

cont...

do so should have set off alarm bells with an experienced banker and the deal should never have taken place.



You cannot justify the unjustifiable by quoting other countries problems, that is just a 'cop out' two

wrongs do not make a right.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 12:19

Mr. Kursat said "..buyers can take risks but banks are trustees of their customers and therefore they are not allowed to take risks". That does not mean that buyers have to take risks. To be fair, that is not what he said.



The problem is this: When the bank gave the loan to Kulaksiz and took out the mortgage, were the buildings there in place or in process of construction? When the bank accepted the security in the form of a mortgage, was the value based on the site as it was or what it would be after the houses were completed? If the latter was the case and I suspect the latter is the answer, they were happy to wait for the interest value build up at 80% with compound every three months as I udnerstand it. I do not consider this to be moral but in the first instance its the fault of the government for not limiting the total interest accrued. In the south, I think, the interest cannot exceed the principal.



In fact the parliament gave this authority to the Council of Ministers to limit the total interest accrued and they passed on this right to the Central Bank. So with sterling I think they limited the interest to twice the principal. However when the matter went to the Constitutional Court, they found that the CoM could do that with strict limits but they had no right to pass on their authority to Central Bank with no limits. So they found this transfer of authority unconstitutional. The expextency of the court was to have the parliament assemble at once and limit the interests accordingly but years have passed and they did nothing about it. So now it is free for all, exactly the opposite to what the court wanted to see.

God help us all with such apathy in TRNC government and parliament.

ismet

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:25

Ismet, 8 of the 10 bungalow type villas were complete, two (mine being one of the two) were 95% complete,

all of the 10 were Contracted to the buyers, the majority of the money paid over and stamp duty paid in my case, I cannot speak for the others. So you see, Akfinans must have been aware of this since by his own

admission Ertul Kader the Manager, and the landowner Yuksel Yilmaz were 'best friends'.

Just because the law allows you to charge 80% per quarter compound doesnt mean you have to.

Just because the law allows you to use someone elses legally bought and paid for home as security,

doesn't mean you have to.



I have not mentioned the 3 other houses on the same Kocans, two are occupied by the landowner's family

including his mother, one stands empty which doesn't surprise me as it is a mess. Strangely, the occupants

do not seem to be taking any action to protect themselves, at least, not to my knowledge and I really thinbk they should. Evicting old people and young

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:28

cont...

children will not give them one night's lost sleep.



Morally, ethically and just purely from a humane point, this is so so wrong. It violates the basic human rights

of every victim in volved.

apc2010


Joined: 28/07/2010
Posts: 1689

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:37

was this "exchange" land or t/c .....

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 14:59

msg 136

TRNC land with the compliments of Mr. Denktash and the Turkish Army

Similar to some of the ROC land in south Cyprus that the government is trying to sell to foreign developers.

ismet

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 16:55

ismet . It is so kind of you to give your time and expertise so generously, if I were paying, you are already better value than that which cost Pauline £350.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 22:47

pollymarples



Ismet is always so kind where would cyprus 44 or anyone with a problem be without him, he has always been so giving of his time and energy to all of us simpletons trying to understand the TRNC laws



I presume your computer is still with the police and so far you are still at large and have not been charged with any offence



So yet another £350.00. from your retirement fund, and so it will go on until the European Courts realize what is going on, tell Pauline they are getting there, I am beginning to think Gary Robb along with his fellow directors, along with TRNC Government approval, have done me a favour, they may have taken my husbands life, taken our life savings but hey I'm sane, I can live in my little house in the rain, and will continue to fight until each and everyone is brought to justice for what they have done!



As the British and Commonwealth Office advised me a couple of years ago "Don't give them another penny"I have heeded that advice ever since

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 23:27

Oh dear dear, you are spoiling me but of course you know that flattery won't get you anywhere, as you know I will criticize you when I see fit

Mind you, I do respect you ladies for putting up a very good fight through thick and thin, keep it up.

ismet

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 23:37

ismet



I do know you will criticise, but you have also given of your time, not only for pollymarples, also for Abag!



I also know I come across sometimes as being over the top, but if you had been a fly on the wall in my life for the past 7 years, you would understand



I will never give up, Aga Directors, (all of them) along with the Government through thick and thin will not get away with what they have done to so many!



X especially for you

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 07:18

Good honest criticism never hurt anyone, in fact if taken correctly and used, it can turn into good solid advice

especially when coming from someone like you Ismet, pity there were not more like you in the system

then we know we would get a fair crack of the whip.



So ditto from Paulinex



Pauline's intentions have always been good, but we all know the road to hell is paved with good intentions.



TRNC victim, no return of Pauline's lap top and no news.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 07:39

msg. 142

Did Puline ask for her laptop back in writing and point out that it was actually taken under false pretences i.e. sha was told that she had to hand it over and also that there was no need for a search warrant, they could enter and take it.

ismet

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 08:36

No Ismet, how would she do that and to whom should she write, any idea of the form of words?





Pauline realy needs it because it has her Skeyp phone and it is a reasonably priced way of keeping in touch

with her sister who is remission from cancer and had a second cataract operation last week.

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 08:43

msg. 144

She should address head of police of Kyrenia and of course make sure she keeps a copy. Sorry, have to rush, more later.

ismet

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 20:23

What a hectic day I had, I left home early in the morning and only now I could find time to concentrate on this one. I have some ideas but can Pauline contact me privately please. my e.mail: ismetus@gmail.com

thanks.

ismet

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 21:51

DeaconB



Spot on . 'A curse on both your houses ', comes to mind.



Talk about direct trade and direct flights and wanting liinks with the EU. Perhaps direct flights, links and trade with some South American banana republics might be more appropriate. I believe some of these countries are well experienced in how to deal with protest.Something to do with football stadiums !

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 22:25

They wouldn't -would they - make Pauline play football I mean......................

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
19/10/2010 22:51

Pauline, you could become the new Rooney at Manchester United

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 06:42

Although Pauline is between a rock and a hard place at the moment, she will never loose her faith.



To you all I say - 'keep the faith'

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 10:33

trnc victim, I am not mean enough to be the next Rooney, however I have heard tell he likes old women.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 12:03

I meant Pauline not you. Enough already.

pollymarples


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Message Posted:
21/10/2010 17:28

Please read the excellent article by Patricia Clarke on North Cyprus Free Press - it brings home the personal

tragedy of the property market scams.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 18:52

found here http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/10/21/respect-has-to-be-earned/

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 22:11

pollymarples (mess 151)



I don't know if Mr.Rooney likes old women, but he does live around the corner from me in his Footballers pad complete with large automatic gates, Coleen and Kye come and go an awful lot in their very large 4 x 4 (my net curtains twitch an awful lot the last paragraph is for a very special person!



Would anyone like his address? (Mr Rooney's)?



Keep the Faith Pollymarples, Geoff & Mary, your all worth so much more than Mr Rooney! and he really does live around my corner!



As do most of Manchester United and Manchester City players, they may play in Manchester but they all like Cheshire for their homes!



We are all between a rock and a hard place pollymarples, would you tell Pauline and Chris to keep strong and keep focused you are in the right, and whats more important "YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG" keep those words as a mantra "YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG" because none of us have!

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 22:21

Thanks TRNC VICTIM Pauline is waiting for to the knock on the door with the summons. Going out for the day tomorrow just to get away from the strain, and before the weather decides it is winter. Very hot today.



Keep the faith

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 22:41

Pollymarples (mess 156)



You enjoy your day out tomorrow, I am going out on Monday to the Royal College of Music in Manchester, and then onto a couple of Art Exhibitions, It was very cold here today, definitely the beginning of winter.



We all need to Keep the Faith



X

elko2



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Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 23:23

TRNCvictim,

I spent my first year in Manchester in 1961. I know that my favourite spot, Picadilly Garden gave way to "progress" but I hope my second favourite place, the library with the round building has survived. The music section on the fourth floor was very quiet and ideal to study.

ismet

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
21/10/2010 23:55

Ismet,



The concert by the Royal Northern College of Music will be good, Piccadilly Gardens have given way to progress,sadly, but there are such good Art Exhibitions, and I feel the need for some culture, I would have loved to have known you in 1961, even as a twelve year old



X

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 07:05

Thanks Trnc victim, yes I would have liked to have met Ismet in 1961 although I suspect he was young boy then. In 1961 I was 16, knew it all, beehive hair and was going to change the world, no change there then.

I was definitely going to marry George Harrison too. Hey ho, those were the days my friend, we thought

they'd never end.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 07:20

Polly,



All things must pass.... (George Harrison)

juliamoons



Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 849

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 07:23

Whilst my guitar gently weeps.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 10:29

Yes sure, I loved Manchester and its people, very warm and very welcoming. Coranation Street was on the telly even those days. I was nineteen when I was there.

One evening I was walking through Mosside and one lady approached me and asked if I worked part time. "No, I am a full time student" I said in all my innocence

ismet

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 19:46

Pauline has had a day away from the stress of waiting for the summons to arrive. She went to the Karpas

and met the most delightful donkey called Dolores, when she can figure out how to do attachments on her

borrowed laptop (her lap top is still in custody), she will tell you all about Dolores, what a fascinating

donkey she is and she has her picture too, close up and personal, she had to close the car window to stop

Dolores putting her head in the car. I am thinking of calling her Pauline Dolittle, either that or taking her

to see a shrink!!



Seriously, the waiting is so stressful.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 20:07

Dearest 'pollymarples' - Pauline must be feeling like the young WW1 soldier in the trenches, who thought that all the bullets were being fired at him.



As far as the 'outside world' is concerned, it's the legal system that's on trial, not the innocent victims of it.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 20:24

Pollymarples, (mess 164)



As I always seem to, I agree with Tenakoutou! glad you had a nice day, with a lovely Donkey, keep strong, it's like the dentist, the wait is always worse than the filling!



Ismet (mess 163)



If I read you right you were "propositioned" in Moss Side as a 19 year old student! did you accept

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 20:35

Please let Pauline know that the summons may never come or it may come after two years, you never know. Please ignore it altogether and get on with your life. That is the best answer she can give to people who like to see her suffer.



TRNCvictim,

I did not grasph what it was all about so I missed my chance

ismet

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 20:48

Excellent advice [as usual!] from 'elko2'!



As for confiscating your computer; they didn't like the 'game', so they 'ran away with your ball' - isn't that also what the 'outside world' will be judging to have been the real scenario?



'pollymarples' - please tell Pauline that any normal, civilised human being can easily weigh up the rights and wrongs of Pauline's situation, and it doesn't take a Philadelphia lawyer to come to the conclusion as to who, precisely, has been grievously wronged!

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 20:48

Probably just as well Ismet, you dont know what else you could have picked up as well the young lady!!!!





Thanks for the advice, I know you are right and I will try to put it to the back of my mind.



Tenakoutou - Thanks for your encouragement, I know I am a target, glad they are not shooting bullets

at me like the poor WW1 soldier.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 20:56

P



Pauline

so glad you had a good day, the donkey, a Government Minister in disguise? Seemed so stupid! Dolittle

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 21:19

Natalie, I like the way you think, a lady after my own heart.

natalie


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Posts: 323

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 21:22

Pollymarples, KEEP THE BLOODY FAITH god bless xx

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 21:52

natalie,



yet another member of the TRNC Women against criminals fraternity, we are getting stronger every day



You are a great girl natalie!



X

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 22:02

Bless TRNC Victim, take care LOL

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
22/10/2010 22:40

Goodness me the helicopters overhead tonight that are obviously protecting Rooneys house after the 30 or so united supporters arrived last night, is making my little conservatory rattle!



Believe me and I'm not joking! Hope the Serious Organized Crime Agency are just as on the ball!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 07:26

TRNC VICTIM You should have tried harder in PE then you might have been a famous footballer,



still at our age we can all dribble.



Keep your eyes on the ball and keep the faith.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 14:19

Pauline really misses her lap top, the borrowed one is good, but she really has trouble because she doesn't know how to attach photos etc. She has super ones of Dolores and Del and she couldn't send them with her

latest offering on NCFP. She even named her Loretta, she just hopes she is in the same cell as Malcolm'



Yeh I know she is a little 'touched' just read her story about Dolores, you'll understand. She is a simple soul.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 16:37

Read about Dolores and Del at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/10/23/going-past-kulaksiz-and-onwards-to-the-karpaz/

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/10/2010 20:50

Don't let the b*****s get you down pollymarples, It was lovely reading about Dorores and Del, and a day away from the stress and strain, unfortunately you have to come back to the stress and strain, but us old ladies are very strong!



We have coped with the(in my case the very very late 40's) 50's 60's 70's 80's 90's 20's and now we go into the 210's we are a force to be reckoned with, cos we don't give up easily! our parents fought a very long war! which has instilled in us a stubbornness for fighting for integrity and honesty, and not letting dishonesty, deception, and downright corruption win!



Always Keep the Faith

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 14:20

Dont worry TRNC VICTIM They wont grind me down, as you say, we are tough and we will survive all they

throw at us.



Keep the faith

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 22:04

TRNCvictim:



After tea at the embassy, did you ever get any sort of an answer from the Turkish Ambassador in London........ ?



I think many [concerned] people may be wondering.



Denktash and Talat [if it has been correctly reported in 'Cyprus Today'] (allegedly) saying that the 300, or so, cheated expats, who have refused PTP on pre '74 Turkish Title, should take it up with the ECHR!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 22:12

Msg 181 Cont'd:



Denktash and Talat [if it has been correctly reported in 'Cyprus Today'] (allegedly) saying that the 300, or so, cheated expats, who have refused PTP on pre '74 Turkish Title, should take it up with the ECHR!



If that isn't tantamount to not only admitting, but broadcasting, to the whole world, a complete lack of integrity plus their complicit and deliberate intention to covertly commit outright fraud, people will exclaim: 'Well, f**k me with the blunt end of a ragman's trumpet, if that isn't downright deception and fraud, well, I don't know what is!'



To blatantly 'shoot themselves in the foot' like this, if it is true, is beyond belief!



It will be seen and interpreted as ''V' sign arrogance' by very many people, including the UN and Bruxelles.



What a way to win credibility and the 'sympathy vote' for all TC's!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 22:40

Tenakoutou (mess 181)



The London Turkish Embassy did telephone me last week certainly something is happening! within the powers that be! perhaps the ECHR would be a good way for you to go! I don't think personally by going that way you could lose, but hey who am I to tell anyone what to do!



Anyway it was a lovely cup of Turkish tea on the 4thOctober 2010 so far it is sweet with just the right amount of milk! but if it taste's sour in the near future when it goes cold, perhaps we may need a microwave to make it warm again, I hope not because my microwave is getting done!!!!! sadly it has been overused this last 7 years!

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
24/10/2010 22:59

TRNCvictim/Msg 183: 'I don't think personally by going that way you could lose...'



I certainly wouldn't take the risk of being declared 'Persona Non Grata' by doing so - neither could I afford the litigation fees involved, which must surely be horrendous. Also, since TRNC 'doesn't exist' [Aquis Communitaire], they are surely immune from any ECHR court ruling - wouldn't they simply ignore any compensation order?

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 07:44

Strangely, there are those that are saying Pauline is being targetted because of her involvement in the

ECHR case and the fact that she is very vocal and high profile. In her meeting with the Turkish Ambassador

he expressed his support of the decision to go to the ECHR. wqe were served orange juice TRNC VICTIM.

Pauline handed the Ambassador a list of the ABAG questions and details of other property related cases and

the Ambassador, opened the envelope and started to read the top one. There was an aid and two secretaries

taking notes at this meeting.



We need the opinions of Mr. Denktas and Mr Talat in the Turkish speaking newspapers, the people of the TRNC had no idea until recently just what is going on in their name.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 07:54

This weekend there was a very good article in Kibrispostasi. It was written by a prominent Prof. who was

disgusted with the way the expats are treated, the way we have been exploited by the property market and

the violation of our human rights by not being allowed the silent peaceful candlelit vigil, which Pauline still has not received an official reply to her application for a permit. She found out via a friend on facebook!! Such a

professional way to deal with such matters. He even stated that TC's could throw bottles in protest if they wanted to, yet a peaceful vigil was denied.



The article had over 2,200 and the comments made by readers were all in our favour.

yet we are denied. This was of course in Turkish and I am relying on a translation to relay this to you.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 09:01

Mr. Denktash appears to support cheated expats, so many people must be at a complete loss in understanding as to why he would [allegedly] make the statement [re. pre '74 Turkish Title] attributed to him and Mr. Talat in Saturday's edition of 'Cyprus Today'.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 09:34

Mr. Denktaş had a hand in writing the TRNC's Constitution, adopted in 1985, and I believe he is making his comments on the basis that the current government seems to be allowing violations of that Constitution.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 10:52

Interesting article on NCFP giving Pauline's reaction to the article on Kursat in Yeniduzen.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 12:46

I am not one of these people who claims that everything that is done in the UK, NZ or Australia is best. In the case of property law though, it is quite clear that it is. Therefore, I fail to understand why the TRNC authorities don’t simply change the law and replace it with the British system.



Their current unethical system, which not only allows, but suggests blatant collusion, has resulted in a 'dead' market and permitted property scams and outright fraud to flourish unchecked. Is it pride, greed or stupidity, or something more sinister, like some hidden agenda, that prevents them from doing so?



HBPG have already given them all the practical solutions 'on a plate'; that they have chosen to ignore such beneficial advice speaks volumes for their combined integrity.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 17:03

Evil flourishes whilst good men and women do nothing. Well a lot of good men and women have tried and out come the bullyboy tactics which because we are visitors here, effectively silences us. What a terrible indictment on a country in the 21st century.

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 17:09

Evil flourishes whilst good men and women do nothing.



here is your chance to do something



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/48207.asp

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 20:42

It would seem that AKFINANS BANK LIMITED through their Advocat Akan Kursat are now moving in for the

kill. Today they have tried to serve their revised Writs which are the start of the eviction process.



Read about it on North Cyprus Free Press.



They have no compassion, they have no shame.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 21:38

at http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com/2010/10/25/trnc-akfinans-bank-serve-eviction-orders-ex-pat-pensioners-lose-life-savings/

mistress


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 22:03

All the best to Pauline in her fight for justice.



I heard from a TC today that each owner on K5 was paid £60k by the constructor as compensation - surely this is untrue?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 22:12

mistress (mess 195)



Surely before you announce something as provocative as "I heard from a TC today that each owner on K5 was paid £60k by the constructor as compensation" you should find out if it's true or not!

mistress


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 22:16

Victim

Understandably this is an emotive subject but I have every right to ask if what I heard is true, I am not saying it is true.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 22:18

no amount of compensation will ever be enough for the suffering x

mistress


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Posts: 57

Message Posted:
25/10/2010 22:23

I have to disagree, my own property is under a very real threat of auction and I would accept compensation rather than loose everything.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 07:39

Well Mistress, I really think you are either gullible or not on the level. I just looked at your details, interesting surname you have, or have given yourself, touch of the Cypriot, of the Greek variety.



OF COURSE IT IS NOT TRUE - to use a rather coarse saying the Constructor hasn't go a pot to p**s in.



You wouldn't care to tell us who the TC is who told you this nonsense would you? wouldn't have the

initials of A.K. BY any chance and your first name would't start with F would it - the real one I mean?



Anthropology: The study and analysis of the origins and characteristics of human beings and their societies, customs and beliefs. Well lady, here is one human being who doesn't buy your garbage.....................

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
26/10/2010 07:58

Now to the people who are really interested in what is happening. Today, as I told you the bailiff attempted

to serve a lot of writs, he had a handful, he succeeded in serving only one, the rest of the residents avoided

being served. It will be interesting to see if the heartless Bank tries to serve the rest at a place other than

the homes of the victims - hopefully the press will catch the occasion and give AKFINANS MORE negative

publicity, not that they will care.



INTERESTING THOUGHT : ARE THEY PRIMING K5 up for an offer??????



Half of what they are proposing to sell them for???????????????????????????. All AKFINANS ever parted with was 104,000 TL



AND JUST TO KEEP ON THE THREAD, ALTHOUGH IT IS ALL INTER RELATED : Pauline says, still no summons.