What happens to your visa if you cross the border before expiry

judyr


Joined: 07/07/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:08

My current 90 day visa runs out on 9 November. How long do you have to stay in the south for to gain a new Visa and will I have to wait until this one expires i.e if I was to go over next week on a day trip will I get a new Visa or will my current one still run.

sunrise


Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 274

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:12

You can come and go across the border as often as you like, stay for a week stay for an hour, doesn't make any difference, they will just re-stamp your visa on re-entry to TRNC with another 90 days each time.

Dusterbruce


Joined: 03/08/2007
Posts: 1125

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:12

As far as I know, crossing to the dark side does not extend your visa. You have to leave the island altogether and come back.

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:14

Why cant you abide by the law like we all do & get yourself residencey !!

sunrise


Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 274

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:16

Maybe Judyr is only here for 3 months at a time and can't get residency

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:22

If she is looking for her second one i doubt it . !!!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:28

JudyR



Don't rely on the information that crossing to the south or anywhere else for that matter guarantees a new visa. It does not as you might find out to your cost and inconvenience.



When you enter the TRNC you know whether you are planning to reside for longer than 90 days. If you are planning to stay for more than 90 days then to comply with the law you need to apply for temporary residency (this is meant to be within the first 30 days to ensure completion of the process within the 90).



There is no safe way to avoid this process as for every one who manages to circumvent the regulations there is somebody else who has fallen foul of them and been refused entry and/or fined.



Is it worth the hassle? No. Those who tell you otherwise are treading a very wobbly tightrope and will at some stage come unstuck.... let them take the risk, they are just too clever for their own good.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:32

If the authorities determine that your crossing international borders is anything other than an attempt to avoid this requirement they have in the past and may well do again, refuse entry and impose a substantial fine.



Your ins and outs give them the picture they require to reach such a determination. We Brits love to push regulations to the limit.... they don't look at it like this, they don't appreciate cleverness like this and seem to be at liberty to interpret the regs to suit their take on things.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:32

Stop scaring the woman, I know hundreds of ppl who just cross all the time...

judyr


Joined: 07/07/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:39

Thanks Dee.

I just wanted to ask a simple question. .... and yes NC Man this is my first time and not second as you suggest. I came here just 2 months ago and thought that by going South a I could save the hassle of residency until i am more settled. I am in no way trying to break the law or avoid the taxes.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:41

Why should doing what is right scare the 'woman'? It's a simple enough process and not worth avoiding.



The fact that you know lots of people who flout the spirit of the law does not fill me with confidence.



You probably also know loads of people who drink and drive too....

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:42

mess 1 i have spoken to a immigration officer and he told me,if there ever try and stop people going across getting 90 extensions, they will have to through half the hookers of the island,and he said they wont do that lol.





so go and get you 90 days and take no notice of these lemmings, that are in the system and cant get out lol

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:44

as a matter of interest where should I go if i decide one day to stay longer then 3 months for my temp residensey ,my wife has a kimlit card, is it the whit building in lefkasa or can this be done in Girne thanks

sunrise


Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 274

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:46

My daughter comes for the summer and crosses backwards and forwards for McDonalds and Ayia Napa at least once a week with no problem, so don't listen to the scaremongers. Someone always has to cause a drama where there isn't one.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:50

Kevin,



Some of it was in English...



Are you offering to bail Judy out and pay her fine if she gets caught? It's all very well for you to take the risk... advising others to risk it is quite another matter.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:53

groucho your living in bandit country, laws are out the window, freedom of speech lol, you got to think on your



feet not what they tell you at the BRS, otherwise know as the darby & joan club, thats only usefull to get you buried lol

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:55

You and Dee really are a class act....

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:56

One of my friends had just under 90 days left on his visa. He crossed the border and when he returned they only gave him 30 days, he lost nearly 60 days, so it is not guarenteed that you will get 90 days.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 13:58

i no, go part with some more money they love you LMFAO

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 14:01

so you have lost nothing, go over again try not to pick a women at the desk, get 90 days the next time makes a day out, not like you lost you credit cards or crate of effes lol

metin


Joined: 08/09/2008
Posts: 1588

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 14:22

I've had to cross over the border a couple of times this year.......due to them turning me down for residency (thats another story).



I got 15 days the first time and 10 the second......with a telling off for doing it !!!!



Groucho is right please be careful.

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 14:36

My friend was given 7 days the last time, and told to get residency, as she would not get anymore days again at the border, so she ended up going to turkey on the ferry for 24hrs to get a 90 days visa. She tried to get residency but was refused due too not having enough money in her account.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 15:17

NCMan



Your comment was uncalled for. You have no reason to jump to conclusions , So why jump ?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 15:29

Groucho .



Are you offering to bail Judy out and pay her fine if she gets caught? It's all very well for you to take the risk... advising others to risk it is quite another matter.



Again it appears that like Mcman you are jumping the gun !! Why ?



judyr asked a simple question and some of you who reside here jump out in an accusing manner .



Would it not be wise, and friendly, to just offer advise and not automaticly start accusing folk of some possible intention of wrong doing .

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 15:50

There is one simple fact that some posters on this thread are missing.

The length of the visa you get at the 'border' is at the immigration police's discretion. It should not be used as a guaranteed way of getting another 90 days. If you have had any dealings with the TRNC police for whatever reason in the past then you will be highlighted on their computer system. If you abuse the 'crossing the border to get 90 days' and then if you subsequently fall foul of the police for any reason then they can use that as a simple excuse to deport you. Believe me I know of two people that have fallen foul of the '90 day border' situation and it was used as an easy excuse to deport them without the authorities having to process other allegations about them.

Be warned.

Pippie


Joined: 02/12/2009
Posts: 1288

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 16:49

Basheer, msg 13 - I thought I'd read somewhere a while back that if your spouse is a citizen then you are automatically entitled to residency. I take it that is not so?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 17:21

Pipie



I'm not accusing JudyR of anything, it's other's advice to just nip over and get another 90 days I'm taking issue with.



JudyR has stated that she has already been here for two months... if she's preparing to stay beyond the 90 she needs to get the residency process started or risk being asked to leave... what is your suggestion? Take the risk?



If JudyR stays beyond the 90 then she will be on borrowed time and the Immigration folk can do what they please.



I like the idea that those flouting the law call this bandit country... it's such a joke to them.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 17:32

Groucho .



Are you offering to bail Judy out and pay her fine if she gets caught?



to me this sounds accusing as judyr never indicated she had intentions of anything other than asking a question . Your reply above indicated judyr was putting herself up for wrong doings . judyr merly asked a simple question that was all

honestie


Joined: 22/02/2009
Posts: 468

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 17:55

As correctly said depends on immigration at the border.



I have had work permit which ended I didnt get residency as am in and out of the country and not just the greek side and I frequently go over the border. They ask why no work permit or residency I expalin nicely and have no problem but there may be times I only get 30 days.



If they think you are just going over frequently to get your 90 days and have no chance of residency and dont work then they can be awkward but I really dont think there will be a problem initially so dont be put off not unless you have done somrthing they have on their computer!



Just wondered why they would ask you to leave if theres nothing more sinister!

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 18:49

You are allowed 90 days only for a certain amount of crossings. If you go BEFORE your 90 days have expired, you will NOT get additional days. Therefore, if you need another 3 months, go on the VERY LAST day your visa expires.

If you overstay your visa, it is 72tl a day fine, (i know this as it happened to me 3 years ago...price may have gone up now).



If you have used up all your crossing allowances, then you need to leave the island for a minimum of 24 hours..Turkey is usually the easiest way to do this.



Hope this clears it all up.





DD

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 18:56

Mess 24 why do you pretend to live in the TRNC, BECAUSE YOU DONT quote " and some of you who reside HERE", unquote, you live in England and only visit !!!!!!!



There are plenty who have been caught trying to dodge the system and as groucho says, why chance it, you may be the one who gets caught, and I dont always agree with AJ but his mess 25 is spot on.



Groucho ignore the rants, we have had to put up with it for so long as you all know wahooooooo

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:05

I thought that if you didn't want your passport stamped you could ask for a form which was stamped and put with your passport, just what I read somewhere if it's wrong let me know, but even then it would still be on the computer so the same still goes re other posts they know how many times you have visited NC,





Robert

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:10

just be honest, why try to rip nthe country off and then moan (deecyprus never stops) about how it works. In uk we would all be calling for the cheats to be derpoted.



they need money that you ARE

stealing

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:13

aussiejock...this is correct...you can be stamped on a form as opposed to your passport, and it doesn't matter how many times you cross, it is all logged on a computer...so yes, the border patrol only have to log in your passport number to see how many times you have crossed to the South...hence why you are only allowed a certain amount of crossings before you have to get residency, or leave the island for 24 hours.





DD

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:20

Hi daisy dukes so if you want to stay for 7 or 8 months you could cross the border and be ok but any longer we would have to leave the country, thats seems ok to me.







Robert

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:21

That's pretty much it in a nutshell aussiejock....



Hope this has cleared things up for the original poster.





DD

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:26

daisy dukes I forgot to ask should I get the form stamped and not the pasport, would this make a difference re going over to the greek side or going to the greek mainland, I like the greek islands and wouldn't want to be stopped at the border because I had lived in the NC, or visited the NC.









Robert

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:30

aussiejock...it makes no difference at all, except that all those stamps take up a lot of unnecessary space in your passport, so it is advisable to use the little form (size A5) instead...also for some reason the border patrol also seem to prefer you do this.





DD

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:44

daisy dukes thats good to know and thanks for the advice.









Robert

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 19:47

You are most welcome. However please note, that the allocated crossing amount may vary on the border officer, but if you imagine the 3rd time is your limit, then you wont go far wrong.



DD

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:03

daisy dukes thank again for the advice just want to come for 7 or 8 months and get a feel of life in the NC.









Robert

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 20:46

DD you are talking absolute crap, when I am in TRNC I go south at least once a week and each time I get another 90 days..

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 21:03

deecyprus4, in her experience it is absolute fact as she has told you she had to pay a fine for it, in your experience it might appear to be incorrect but telling someone what they are saying is crap is like showering in blood and then going snorkeling with sharks where I come from. We all have different understandings of the way things work in NC and due to the variations we can actually all be correct at the same time as per our individual situation.

DD is as far as I can tell the only person who has fallen foul of this and had to pay a fine so she would probably be the one I would listen too for the worst case scenarion and if you tie in the fact that if you are in the country more than 183 days in 1 calender year and I believe the numer to be 360 days in 2 years the logic of arithmatic tells me pretty much the same thing as DD, if you try to get a third visa they may well refuse you and tell you to leave the country for 24 hours and probably to apply for residency on return.

sias

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/10/2010 21:05

Thank you Paul...couldn't have put it better myself.



DD

NCMan



Joined: 19/09/2009
Posts: 670

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 08:14

Honestly some of you , you know who you are talk out of your a--e.!!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 08:34

Pipie



All I'm saying is that taking advice as in messages 2, 20 and 42 (which might well be OK in the short-term for a holiday maker) should not be taken to guarantee continued visitor's visa once your initial 90 day visa has expired. Like all things - until something goes wrong we could all get away without insurance too!



Yes you can take the risk and some obviously do.... they can do that, I don't care - but recommending it as a process to others is a very different thing. All those people advocating this method of cheating the system would suddenly become invisible to those who take their advice when it all goes pear-shaped....



I was merely asking the advice givers if they would be on hand if their advice on how to cheat the system turned out to be bogus....



Blurting it out like a badge on honour on this board is not too clever either.... unfortunately some people read this board and believe what they read...

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 09:20

Judy from previous posts I believe you drive if you do 90 plus you are driving without a TRNC licence and therefore uninsured in case of an accident .

driving uninsured is a serious offence

Note groucho's comments " All those people advocating this method of cheating the system would suddenly become invisible to those who take their advice when it all goes pear-shaped.... "

Do your Christmas shopping in Istanbul and get a legal 90 days

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 09:54

At the end of the day I can't see why they make it so difficult here, as long as we are all spending our money each day they should be happy, its a shame they don't give us the support that we have given them over the time we have been here. It does seem that the attitude towards Brits has changed here now slightly, since other foreigners have arrived and are spending lots more money and opening new businesses,but I am not saying that its a bad thing, before I get shot down, for the economy.

LordJim


Joined: 12/10/2010
Posts: 221

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 13:24

message 9 so that makes it ok does it ?



Will you pay her fine if she is stopped and fined ?



Message 42 crap is what you post on many occasions



Message 47 spot on.

doggiesteve


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 13:35

Message 42 daisy is right ask thy guy jaied because he did not haved suffucant funds to pay the fine imosed for doing as you suggest .( this happened with in the last month!)

Bazaar


Joined: 01/07/2010
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 13:42

I done the visa run for 3 years with 90 days all the time except 1 which i got 30 days just went back a few weeks later then i got another 90 days you dont need to go on the last day you can go anytime aslong as its not over the 90 days. Then that 90 days starts again from that day. İve also been back to uk and had no problem or asked any questions.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 14:12

msg 51....it's probably because you go back to the UK that you are allowed to do this. At the end of the day, it is up to the original poster if they want to keep border hopping. But eventually, you will only get 30 days, then you will only get a week, why bother will all the hassle, either leave the island for 24 hours, or get a residency, it's quite simple really.





DD

Bazaar


Joined: 01/07/2010
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
16/10/2010 14:25

İ have only been back to uk once in that time. it is a chance İ know other people who do the same and no problem.

judyr


Joined: 07/07/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 11:15

I had no idea that my posing this question would be so contraversial... All I was trying to ascertain was whether my visa would be extended - my current one runs out in November - I understand it can take 3 weeks to 30 days to process residency and therefore my current (first) visa would have expired by the time the residency came through. By going accross the border I hoped would buy me a bit of time whilst i start the residency process. Either way I will be starting the process before the date of expiry of my Visa but saw this so called border hopping (one trip) as a safeguard against the time constraints!

Please don't answer this.....

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
17/10/2010 19:18

judyr, no offence but if you had mentioned that minor detail about applying for residency it could and probably would have avoided the contravercy.



In simple terms, once your application has been accepted for processing at the police station you are in gratis on your stay, I had the same worry last year for my wife as she is Russian and only got 30 days but when the application is accepted you are allowed to stay until it is either granted or refused and even then you still have a certain time allowance, I think 1 week but I am not sure about that.

When renewing residency, many people will find that the original visa end date will over run before the new visa comes through but there is no problem as the new visa is in application at this period.

aussiejock



Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 350

Message Posted:
18/10/2010 06:22

proger1



Thats good information for us thanks



Robert