Turkish Title Property Wanted

pacyprus


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 20:18

We are currently looking for a Turkish Title villa or bungalow in and around the Kyrenia area



Looking for a substantial property with grounds



Budget up to £600k



please contact Harry on 0533 846 6080



or email harry@partnersabroad.com



Thank you

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 20:41

Have a villa in Lapta standing in 1.5 donums of mature gardens. Villa around 160sqm but you could add on. Asking price £165k

stevekibris@hotmail.com

graycoul


Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 493

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 20:50

ive got 2.2 donums in lapta of pre 1974 tukish title deed land for sale



kocan waiting to be exchanged



ring.......0533 8234454

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 20:52

Turkish Title or Pre 74 Turkish title?

pacyprus


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 21:20

Thanks for the replys



Would like a completed property, close to Kyrenia on Pre-74 Turkish Title



Maybe consider further away from Kyrenia if something special

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 21:30

Only a Turkish Cypriot will get PTP on Pre 74 Turkish Title Deeds. Are you aware of this?

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 22:48

http://www.no-deeds-no-money.moonfruit.com

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/11/2010 23:11

Bradus (mess 4 & 6)



You are a clever lady, and much quicker than me! please keep your knowledge in the public arena!



walkerscott (mess 7)



Again a good web site (no-one can complain in 2010/11) they weren't warned!



X

LOvegod


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Message Posted:
23/11/2010 23:18

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LOvegod


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Message Posted:
23/11/2010 23:24

oh 4 chris sake jus rent dont become a victim

LOvegod


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Message Posted:
23/11/2010 23:49

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TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 00:26

LOvegod (mes 9/10/11)



I am certainly not drunk! although I am a victim! and I do enjoy my cat!



Personally I think you need some kind of help! I should go to the nearest psychiatrist, wherever you live!

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 11:48

pacyprus/msg 1:



Our [genuine] pre 1974 Turkish Title 4 bed, 3 bath, 1 donum, 2 storey [with everything!] is situated close to the 'Ship Inn'.



Buying pre '74 TT is still safer and a better investment than anything else, apart from pre '74 British Title, which are as common as 'hens' teeth'!



I do not wish to get involved with any estate agent, so intend ours to be a private sale.



If you wish to see and discuss the viability of our property, please call into 'Ronnies Furniture' - very near 'Ship Inn', and ask for Florica.



Our only reason for selling is that we need to return to New Zealand for family reasons.

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 12:20

Bradus : "Turkish Title or Pre 74 Turkish title?"



What is the difference pray tell me because as far as I am aware it is either Turkish titled, TRNC titled or pre 74 foreign/european titled?????



The villa I have for sale has had 2 english owners over the last 10 years and both have been issued deeds with no problems. If you buy new or want to build then yes there maybe a problem with Turkish title.



This person has asked for turkish titled property, not a lesson in the rules and regulations of the trnc, so unless any of you have anything to offer please leave this thread alone.

malsancak


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 2874

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 12:35

I have this advice to offer, Turkish Title deeds are sometimes deeds with the word "Turkish" in them as in "Turkish Republic of North Cyprus".

magolina


Joined: 06/12/2008
Posts: 461

Message Posted:
24/11/2010 13:57

Hi,



Older style villa in Edremit 3 beds, pool ,mature garden about one donum offers over 150k



call Christine 0533 8476275

ant33


Joined: 28/08/2010
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 00:34

Hi, There is a Pre74 Turkish Title deed Traditional House in center of Girne at Turkish Quarters.



If you are interested please call 039282224053 and look at the link for details and pictures.



http://www.iansmithestate.com/listing/?listing=1-155



Thank you

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 09:20

Looks great, ant33, with a couple of wrecked cars dumped right in front of it!

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 11:36

looks like a really nice house. Tenakoutou is just jealous cos no one wants to buy his place.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 11:45

Visitor/Msg 19:



Try not to be such a sh1t-stirrer, because that's what you're rapidly gaining a well-deserved reputation for!



As for 'jealous', or even a tad aggravated by you - not in the slightest - be assured!

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 11:51

"It looks like a really nice house"



Wow, you have good taste.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 11:53

Msg 20.



All you do is whinge and moan, every post you make is just nasty and full of bitterness. Go back to your tacky cheap villa.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 12:04

Visitor/Msg 22:



So you have seen my property to be able to categorise it - have you?



Kindly desist before you tempt me to hazard a guess at your pedigree!

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 12:14

Msg 23 Nasty again! Start your vile little racist comments. All you do is spew your poison.



If you hate TRNC so much, why stay.

pacyprus


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 6

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 12:22

Hello Tenakoutou



ref message 13



we popped into the furniture shop this morning but nobody seems to know anything



can you please call me Harry 0533 846 6080



thanks

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 12:28

Visitor/Msg24:



Haven't you noticed yet? - It is YOU who is making all the insults - try being pleasant for a change - you'll feel heaps better!



I suggest this posting gets back on track to its original purpose - which is intended to elicit responses to the request for 'Turkish Title Property Wanted'.



I have contributed by responding genuinely - do you have your pre 1974 Turkish Title property for sale, 'Visitor', or did you simply post on this thread because you couldn't resist having a jibe at me?

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 12:39

Msg 26: You have not contributed 'genuinely' what you said was



'with a couple of wrecked cars dumped right in front of it! '



Typical bitchy remark- not everyone can afford new cars in TRNC, people struggle to survive. Why the comment.

The agent is trying to sell property. There is no need for such bitchiness!

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 12:58

msg 17: I really, really like that house, this is the sort of thing I am looking for/dreaming of. No, I m NOT joking! (I would have loved to see pictures of the garden, though)



One problem: wrong city! It should have been in Famagusta.....

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 13:09

Sorry; that should have been (I would have loved to see MORE pictures of the garden, though)

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 13:26

msg 26...Tenakoutou.....I for one enjoy your posts,at least most of the time,I find your "Directness" and plain speaking refreshing...In the case of your latest adversary,"Visitor"remember..



"le sarcasme est la plus basse de brin."





Have a lovely day.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 13:38

Visitor

You some sort of snob?. Bet my car is better than your tacky cheap one.



Do you know anything about Tenakoutou? I know where he lives and wouldnt call it tacky .I concede ,as I am not privy to the same information as you, as to how cheap it is.

You have been on this forum for a couple of months and already consider you have a right to tell people ,who have been in NC more years than your weeks on this forum but do not agree with your idea of what is going on, to go .

I have met Tenakoutou and can assure you he does not hate the TRNC, and loves the people but hates those who ripped him and others off, and are destroying a place that was so nice. Iam sure T and others will eventually go and leave this forum to you .Then the unwary purchaser, when going onto a forum full of people with vested interests in the property market and experienced people like yourself (joined19/8/10) will know that everything will be fine, without people like T, countering that illusion.

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 13:42

Tenakoutou: If you live in or close by the city center, there are always .."issues". Anywhere in the world, I think. Anyone who has lived in a city center knows this(?)



I live in the middle of an old city "up north" (=Scandinavia)...and though there are not many old car wrecks parked in front, I have had to remove drug addicts discharged injection needles from my (tiny) flowerbeds more than once. Still, I love the place.



And I think the house ant33 showed us was beautiful! (But sorry: wrong city :( )

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 13:54

I am sorry but I am a little bit sick of patonising expats. There is a difference between directness and bitching abt every comment someone makes.



I am Turkish Cypriot\French - I have a turkish titled property in TRNC. So I think I know a little bit abt Cyprus, its history, culture and values.



I also am accutely aware of corruption and things that are wrong with TRNC. But you chose to move to a state whose position in the world is unrecognised. Many Turkish Cypriots who suffered for years are glad of any state

they can call there own.



I also know what whinges and moaners some Brits can be. I live in France , they moan here too. I am not prepared to tolerate Racism.



Comments abt my `pedigree ` by your good friend - I am proud of my heritage. To imply that I am mongral because I am mixed race is offensive.



How is it countering illusion by making bitchy remarks abt abanndoned cars in front of a nice looking house.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 16:08

Thanks for your fair input, MartinD41 & Girne 29 - it seems as though our new 'friend', 'Visitor', 'has got the bit between his teeth' - if he bites much harder, those teeth are liable to disintegrate with his pent-up xenophobia, despite his quote [msg 33] that he is 'not prepared to tolerate racism'!



There may be nothing wrong with the property featured in Ant33's ad. - but, surely, it's hardly good advertising to feature a photograph of any house with two old [possibly abandoned] cars on its frontage!



'famagusta99' has stated that she finds the property attractive, and fair enough; however, the poster of this thread quotes that he has a budget 'of up to £600K'; so, excuse me if I can hardly include 'Ant33's' featured property in that category. My own is only halfway there!



'Visitor', despite having been asked, has declined to declare whether his property is 'For Sale', which is, after all, the purpose, and should be the subject matter, of this thread.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 16:28

Bitch, bitch yak yak. Now she says its `possibly abandonned` - why comment on it at all - bitter lemons!



Oh and at least my teeeth are all my own!



No my property is not for sale, hope you sell yours soon and find happiness in New Zealand.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 17:00

Visitor/Msg 35: 'Now she says its `possibly abandonned'



You have already admitted to being dyslexic - so, although not pleased at being misquoted, I suggest you read my msg 35 again - then humbly apologise!

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 17:12

Msg 35 is my message? Dyslexia is a disability. ButI guess as a bigot you probably hate everyone who is different.



In your original quote you said a couple of `wrecked `cars, then you changed to possibly abandoned. Clearly you realised the error of your original comment.

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 17:28

Well guys: you can unite in your dislike of me...when I disclose that I hate ALL cars...old, wrecked, abandoned, new, ...but especially brand new expensive cars! Why anyone would spend money on those nasty killers (AKA "cars") is totally beond me





Tenakoutou: my budget is *quite* above this price...but I would still buy this house...on 2 conditions:

1: it must be within walking distance of the old harbour

2: the seller must accept not to receive the money before I get my P2P.....

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 17:32

hm, I tried to put in a couple of "smilies" after that first paragraph...but apparently it did not work ..trying again:

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 17:41

Famagusta 99 - I think its a lovely looking house. Lots of charm and character. It looks like it might be in the old Turkish quarter.



My house is similar an old village house. That belonged to my grandfather. I prefer these style of houses to all these hideous new builds everywhere.



I agree get yourself a good solicitor, to sort the title deeds out. I had little problem but I am TC descent

and its true that many restrictions now exist on foreigers buying pre 74 Turkish Cypriot titled properties.



My advise dont touch any former Greek Cypriot owned properties - its not worth the agro and there are many moral issues connected to it for me personally



Good luck.

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 18:02

Visitor: I soooo 100% agree: a house like this is so much more attractive than any of the modern new buildings! I can perfectly well live without a swimming-pool....and bars....and casinos....

And lucky, lucky you: having taken over your grandfathers house, in similar style. (Please ignore that green color on my face..)



As for buying here: I have basically given up. I have been trying since late last year...on pre-74 Turkish land (I have property in Scandinavia which I am going to keep)..and I agree with your other concerns about GC-land, too.



I am here in Cyprus now for what will probably be the last time. It looks as if my conditions, as I set out above (walking distance of a major city center + get P2P first)...----normal in any other country---, are impossible in N. Cyprus.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 18:13

famagusta99/Msg 39:



Unfortunately, motor vehicles of all descriptions are a necessary evil [like them, or hate them!] in order for most of us to enable our comfortable lifestyles!



I thought you had your heart set on a Famagusta property - it now seems you have suddenly had a quick change of heart! I don't know whether you are familiar with Kyrenia, but most residential expat. visitors will tell you that they only go to the harbour for a stroll, because they are not too happy to be ripped off twice by the extortionate prices that the bar and restaurant owners charge down there - otherwise the scene of the harbour setting is idyllic!



It is unlikely that any Vendor will accept not to receive money until you are granted PTP. Even though government regulations stipulate that you must receive PTP prior to purchase, this is impossible. The reason: because you have to submit a signed Contract of Sale in order for your application for the specific property you are signing for to be

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 18:30

Msg 41/Cont'd:



considered by the TRNC Council of Ministers. As things stand, no Vendor is likely to sign a contract without a substantial deposit. So, if you back out of the deal, you lose your deposit. Of course, as you must realise, in any civilised society, such a system would be both unethical and illegal. Unfortunately, most foreigners from countries that have a legal system that is ethical and protects the population, assume that TRNC is the same - it is not! The TRNC Bar Council has publicly admitted that its members, the advocates, 'have no duty of care to their clients'. If an advocate gives you bad advice, you have no redress, whatsoever!



After the Annan Plan referendum of 2004, the TRNC government covertly decided that PTP on pre '74 Turkish Title property would not be granted to foreigners - they usually use Turkish army refusal as the excuse; but, according to several newspapers, the Turkish army have denied this. However, you can buy pre '74 TT/ Cont'd......

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 18:50

Msg 43/Cont'd:



providing you are fully aware of the facts that the Vendor/holder of the Title Deed could:



1./ Raise a mortgage on the property [you have paid for in full].



2./ Have a memorandum placed by any dissatisfied creditor of the Vendor.



3./ Die and the property be claimed by his/her successors, beneficiaries, or not.



On the bright side, you are unlikely to be kicked out of your pre '74 TT property. You can partially safeguard yourself by obtaining 'Power of Attorney' in your, or a confidant's name - but be warned - never trust an advocate! You could also draw up a document whereby the Vendor exempts the property from any indebtedness on his/her part - although, even though duly notarised, this might not hold up in a TRNC court of law - simply because of two combined well known and practised elements: lawlessness and nepotism.



EG: if the Vendor dies, the 'Power of Attorney' [in your name] becomes invalid - or a relative could / Cont'd

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 18:54

I suggest you get good legal advise. It is posssible to buy pre 74 properties but its hard.



I agree with many posts abt the unfairness in TRNC but these problems also exist in EU and other states.



In France there was a case of a couple who purchased a home only to discover they had a sitting tenant. The agent failed to inform them. The court found in favour of the tenant as the property was a seond home. Blame was attached to the purchaser for not asking the correct questions



In Spain - numerous homes demolished or land seized. in costa brava. Illegal building. Many cases home owners recieve min compensation or none if property has not been granted approval.



ROC - similar cases of developers not honouring or building illegally



I am not justifying what happens in TRNC but it is not unique and has nothing to do with Civilisation. Don1t be put off just do it with all facts. Many people purchased consummed by desire to own a property in the sun and failed to educate themselv

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 19:04

Msg 44/Cont'd:



make any one of a number of [maybe false] claims on your [fully paid for] property in order to secure it for himself, or even themselves in the case of multiple claims.



However, the above applies to formerly owned Greek Cypriot property - nobody is exempt from the inadequacy of protection from the TRNC 'legal' system - nobody, that is, except the villains, which includes banks and advocates and sundry other crooks.



'Visitor' has questioned the morality of purchasing formerly owned Greek Cypriot property - speaking only personally, I didn't and I would not, under any circumstances. For those that have done, and will, I am unwilling to express my opinion on a public forum.

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 20:48

First, folks, sorry for getting completely off topic here..Tenakoutou: you can see my age; I never had a driving -license, learning (in an extremely brutal way) in my early 20's how cars can kill. Yeah: it narrows your options, but that is my choice. (I have a certificate for driving boats, though! Love boats as much as I hate cars... )



Also; yeah, I am/was set on Famagusta ...but nobody here will sell me anything on the terms I (and the rest of Europe!) can accept. They suggest trusts, or partnerships, with a "reputable" TC...but then I would forever be depending on the good-will and "good character" of this person. Well, I have owned property together with others before: not good.



And they suggest buying, (i.e. handing over the money) and that I can then sell on in the case I am refused P2P. However, in that case my potential buyers-range has basically shrunk to TCs...and my property-value gone through the floor. Though they assure me prices are rising...Rrrright.

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 21:11

cont: So: since Famagusta is impossible; I am interested in viewing any other possibilities. 3 absolute demands: the two in msg#38 + it must be pre-74 Turkish land.



Both Visitor, Tenakoutou and myself seem to be in agreement over buying GC-land. (Though when I first started looking, I viewed a lot of properties on "100 % legal exchange land" (quoting the estate agents). I have learned a lot since then, without discussing it further.)



To Visitor: yes, I agree: there a troubles everywhere (I could tell horror-stories even from law-abiding Scandinavia). But the culprits *are* jailed (or fled). I had read about the Aga-story (without knowing every detail)..but at least someone went to jail in that story (perhaps more should have? I do not know).



That is what so completely shocked me (and many others) about the K-5 -story: "a scam" according to http://www.ipb-magazine.com/en/articles/expats-shock-–-homes-sold-auction ...and nobody is prosecuted????

LazyLobon


Joined: 21/11/2010
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 21:57

famagusta, that house is in good part of Kyrenia, Turkish part before 1974. No British getto You can walk to harbor about 10 minutes. Make sure it is not beside old clohtes factory (i don't think it is) Don't worry kochan you can get one if u ask right people. House is legal pre74 nobody will make you leave it.

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 22:14

LazyLobon: ..but will the seller accept not to receive the money before I get my P2P????



( I can put the money into a "frozen" "lawers account", with a deposit that will be payed to the seller if I back out. Just to show that I am serious. )



But under NO circumstance will I hand over the money to the seller before I get a P2P. If the seller agrees to this, then hurry back to me....and I will travel up to Girne to see the lovely house. (I was in Girne for a week earlier this year, stayed a week in a hotel down by the habour, where I could see the castle from by bed )

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 22:25

famagusta99



Good for you!



NO KOCAN NO MONEY!



Keep your hard earned money! make sure you are never ever where so many victims are, including me!

LazyLobon


Joined: 21/11/2010
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 22:42

fama if the person selling is serious ask them but they will make a contract with you for this i think. It is a good time to buy here so if nobody else is trying to buy this one you can make deposit until P2P.



But you can do something else too if the seller still has the before 1974 kocan (i think he will) you go to the Cyprus land registry on the other side. This kocan the ROC goverment will work with. You give the money to the seller and get the kocan with your name in the south. You pay them some tax and fee. Too many people are doing this now. You then cvan tell anyone in the world 'this is my house',



I hope this works for you insallah, it has been done other people for sure with before 1974 papers. But even you can get TRNC kocan if paying some Baksis ;) You ask Turkish or vTC people at Law Courts Girne they know the right persons. Good luck

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
25/11/2010 23:07

Well, just this afternoon my last hope of buying in Famagusta was basically killed. (There is one real-estate agent, with a single house in the old town, who I have not gotten hold of yet. But I expect them to say the same as the other real estate agents here: my conditions are impossible)



So, now I am open to other possibilities (however minute).



But I am such a damn puritan law-abiding Scandinavian when it comes to money: I will not pay any civil servants any bribes. Not ever. (But I can be quite a donor to libraries/museums, etc... I'm a hopeless collector!)



Getting the Kocan registered in RoC was an interesting idea, but is that enough?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/11/2010 07:37

famagusta99/Msg 53: 'Getting the Kocan registered in RoC was an interesting idea, but is that enough?'



As I have mentioned, I bought pre '74TT and was cheerfully refused PTP, which is 'par for the course'. I am as sure as I can be that my property's 'Kochan' is genuine - however, one can never be 100% certain, because North & South, many title deeds have been falsified. Therefore, if I were to turn up at the RoC Land Registry Office in Nicosia [main branch], submit my 'Kochan' for legal acceptance and immediately found out that my title deed was not genuine and the property formery Greek Cypriot owned, I would likely be facing immediate arrest and languishing in a stinking RoC Nicosia gaol cell for at least three months before trial. This scenario, as described, may be hypothetical - I am not prepared to test the risk of it becoming reality.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/11/2010 07:41

Msg 54/Cont'd:



Even if a genuine pre '74TT, validity in the South means 'Jack Sh1t' in TRNC, and RoC establishment of proof of ownership is still no safeguard of one's property due to the total lack of legal protection, or redress, in TRNC.

famagusta99


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 68

Message Posted:
26/11/2010 12:08

Tenakoutou: thank you for your reply. I thought along the same lines; why should TRNC care about what the RoC, or the rest of the world thinks? They do not recognize TRNC, so why should TRNC recognize anything they said/demanded? Unless you can "fight" with/for something outside the TRNC (say, like the Orrams property in England)...then "outside" laws does not seem to matter much in TRNC, it seems to me.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
26/11/2010 17:01

famagusta99/Msg 56:



You are completely correct in your interpretation and understanding of my assessment of only a miniscule summary of the problems to be encountered!