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apc2010


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Baby-faced April Webster gave birth to son Jamie after getting pregnant when she and the child's dad Nathan Fishbourne were both just 13.

The teenagers, who began having unprotected sex after they started dating in September last year, are also confused over the state of their relationship. Nathan insisted they are still an item.

Baby-faced April did not tell her parents they were having sex because she was "too embarrassed".



Nathan used a condom once but did not like it - and after that the youngsters took no precautions

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3304377/Britains-youngest-parents-are-both-14.html



any opinions ..........???????????



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Historically I bet the article is factually incorrect in that a child pairing younger than them has at sometime produced offspring at an earlier age.



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Maybe we should look in the Guinness book of records and see who holds the UK record.

Get this published in all of the red tops, and let the buggers try and break the record.

From the results, a prime time TV show could be created for family viewing, say on a Saturday evening.

Go down a bomb.

Michael.



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What are the schools, parents and social workers doing about it.

Many years ago (about 20) when AIDS was the scare I tought teenagers from 16 on YTS scemes and we had what was called Life and Social Skills (which covered many topics) which included family planning and also protecting oneself against sexually transmitted infections. We had family planning nurses and AIDS workers comming into the centre and not only telling them about it but distributing condoms and demonstrating how to use them (unrolling them using their hands I hasten to add). They then distributed condoms around the group and the teenagers laughed and played with them for about an hour after the Professionals left - The message got though and the ability to use a condom correctly (as well as a toy) took away all the myths surrounding this topic. Also the trainees discussed the talk and the topics for an hour or so afterwards and it was clear that the message had sunk in. We have lost a lot in the last 20 years



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When I was back in the UK recently I was asked by a young woman for advice on contraception, I advised her to go to Family Planning. Her reply was that she thought this was for married couples only! Until the name 'Family Planning' is changed to something that catches the attention of the young today in the UK, well I am afraid that the situation is just getting worse. I also went to the hospital where I used to work, to catch up with friends and ex colleagues and was dismayed to find out that the abortion rate is so much higher than when I was there, so much so that the unit is now open 7 days a week, as opposed to terminations being carried out 3 days a week four years ago! There needs to be more promotion in schools etc or things will never change in my opinion.



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probally be on a jeremy kyle type show next .......



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'Baby Stoppers'

or

'Pregnancy Prevention'



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If they put bromide in McDonalds' burgers it would cut the unwanted pregnancy rate by 50%.



Lilli



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Hildy we have lost so much you are so right, but they go on to have unwanted kids but get all the benefits social care etc offered, when she is 16 a free house with all paid, thank you mr tax payer. They know what they are doing. Its a shame that children are having children. This presents a bigger picture as the kids new born will be in the care of social services probably, adopted , fostered who knows but what will their lives become. Screwed up not belonging . Oh it is so sad



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how come if you have a dog you need a licience ..yet anyone can breed ..??



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Grouch



'If they put bromide in McDonalds' burgers it would cut the unwanted pregnancy rate by 50%'



And also make them taste better (the burgers of course)

AJ



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In the sixties, pregnant daughters got married or were looked after by their families or went to mother and baby homes.....It was something to be ashamed of ......there was no such thing as housing benefits in those days. This is the problem, take away their social benefits and there will not be so much of a problem. USA got over this hurdle by doing just that. If the kids know that by being pregnant does not automatically mean free hand outs they would not get themselves pregnant....It is not frowned on anymore to be unmarried and pregnant, a baby to most teenagers is a fashion accessory........



Lilli



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Shrimp I agree but how can a child look after a child, you cant have a babysitter unless he she is at least 14, its all so sad now for the future of these poor babies xx



Lilli



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This has actually got me thinking, i do some times. If its like this in britian what about the rest of europe. Are the rates the same there. How young is the youngest in the EU zone xxx



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sure is a big problem, in the old days alot of the pregnant girls handed over their babies to their mums and the child was bought up as their brother or sister, as you say Lilli, quite rightly children looking after children just doesnt work..........the trouble is now there is not shame, they are almost proud to become pregnant.... I should know as I was a child bride, my baby was born five months later, and she became the most special thing ever....I was lucky as I came from a very supportive family and I wouldnt change a thing........but I wouldnt recommend it..........!!



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In approx 1993, I was a branch manager for a Retail Travel Agent, My YTS, fleeing an abusive step father was homeless, I took her to DHSS, and it was made quite clear that to get ahead of the queue, that she should "Fall pregnant"!!!!!,

fortunately after a few phone calls the company (Late, lamented A.T.Mays), found her accomodation



apc2010


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at 14 is she now a milf...??



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It happened...let's just hope they are good parents



Lilli



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Shrimp you cared and brought her up, my sister the one who has just become a widow. They met at 14 years of age , married at 16 as it was legal as she was pregnant. Had 3 wonderful girls. They have worked all their lives for the kids. It happened in those days. I hold you and her up as amazing mums who in those days were kids. I guess times have changed but I could not imagine my oldest grandson aged 16 and three quarters he tells me, being a dad. Thank god he is so into the sports he does. (Welsh junior boxing champion) under 16 welsh rugby squad. no time for girls thanks be to god xxxxxxx



shrimp


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Lilli, My children have always been and will always be the most important thing in my life.....I treasure all three of them.....but I would hate my grandchildren to have babies at such a young age, there is to much to see and do for them nowadays.....your grandson sounds a very well adjusted young lad....I will watch out for him....!! x



Lilli



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Shrimp no matter our sins we brought up amazing kids in turn amazing grandkids. I miss my kids and grandkids every day of my life xxxxxxxxxx. I think no matter what our generation did one thing we learnt was responsibility. I wasthe oldest of my tribe and beleive it or not the last to get married. A virgin and still so for 6 weeks. We went out togrther for 6 years but because 2 sisters having to get married and me who brought them up after my mum had a breakdown when my dad died aged 36. (I did this to stop us being separated) I was old enough to be a legal guardian and care person for my mum) I was 2 when I married seen my brother and sisters weddings and the christenings. By this time I got offers of modelling work and toook it.It took a tool on me as I coundnt forget my love and roots. So i returned to them and married, it lasest 3 years and produced a beautiful girl Samantha. From there is another story, but my sam is the mother to 3 off my grandkids , i have 4 the youngest oliver



Lilli



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sorry, he is said to be autistic but a brighter boy I have never met. He is the result of an affair between my daughter on a trip to new Zealand with a group of teachers. It didn't work out , now we have court cases every week. I'm in pieces



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Whether we actually will see the changes that have been promised by the present Coalition govt. remains a big question mark, but the Benefits system (which includes automatic child benefits to single mothers) is supposed to be the subject of a major overhaul which will make for a more just system ultimately and relieve the State and country of scroungers. When these 2 kids were having sex at just 13, I don't suppose that making babies and then claiming benefits even entered into the equation! How really sad and irresponsible the situation seems to have become when parents and schools no longer teach about safe sex, where to go for advice on contraception and related subjects and above all, that easy sex doesn't make for an easy life.

As for these 2 kids - thats just what they are and the 'demands' of puberty just took over. Today's children need in-depth lessons on life & sex from age 10. They're already being sexualised from the age of 8 or 9 by magazines & clothes shops.



shrimp


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I think we have so much in common Lilli, I will email you in the new year...........x



Lilli



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please and have a great xmas xxxxxxx



Denny


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It's down to the upbringing from the parents. In this regard the UK is the worst in the developed world for teenage pregnancies.



http://archive.student.bmj.com/issues/02/07/news/223.php



Maybe British society is largely degenerate with many Brits having a far too high opinion of themselves. Broken homes and selfishness along with poverty means children often have no male role models. Other European countries educate their kids in a liberal and open way about sex and pregnancy and that could point to why Brits are seen as trailer trash by so many other countries. Sensible sex education at primary school is greeted with screaming headlines from the likes of the Daily Mail and this influences some of the morons who read tabloids, hence the state of UK society.



I can only speak for myself but I've never come across so many divorced, separated, second-time around types who swear, smoke and drink to excess than I have in the TRNC. God knows how that affected their kids.



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I got pregnant at 17 and lived in with my in laws in a 2 bedroomed (one single) council house. As there was not enough room I applied for a council house - i was refused. I was told that there was 2 bedrooms and that my mother also had rooms free in her house. So at 18 with a small baby I went to work to save up 50 for a deposit for a house. I bought a 2 bedroomed cottage with the shipyards at the bottom of the street and we moved in. There was no water just a tap down the yard next to the toilet and coal house. We had one electric socket in the centre room and the ceiling fell in the day we signed the contract. We paid 695.00 for this. 3 weeks later the winter camem the yard tap burst and the toilet froze up so we had to use buckets and pour it down the manhole. We applied for a grant from the council to modernise the house and we were refused. So we did it all ourselves - we built a bathroom and toilet on the house . This was in the mid 1960s. no benefits or help then.



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Hildysmith we had it so much harder in those days didnt we.....no fitted carpets, no washing machines, no cars etc. When I got married at 17 we were lucky enough that my parents bought us a maisonette so we had a roof over our heads but we had to furnish it....we made our lounge chairs, made do with cast offs and we were very grateful. People now days expect so much....even newly weds wont move in to their homes unless they have ever conceivable gadget.....at least we appreciated what we had, no credit, just envelopes on the mantlepiece, gas, electric, food, rent and anything left over was a bonus....



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Also, we had to work for a full year to pay Nat Insurance Stamps. You needed a full 12 months before you could claim or apply for anything ie dole or sickness benefit - if you did not have a full years stamps on you were refused andy kind of beneift - it was deemed that if you had paid then you were entitled to claim.



Denny


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Hildy,



A tough start to life together by the sounds of it. Has it made you support proper sex education for youngsters and open discussions between parents and their children? How has your experience affected your outlook? Was there no contraception around or was it not possible to wait or at least take sensible precautions? I'm only asking because nobody seems to be asking questions about why the UK is so bad for teenage pregnancies.



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Wasn't there a young boy in the UK last year who fathered a child at age 12?



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As I was saying yesterday, regarding the failure of education and family system in UK! Anyway, I have been hearing stories this this for the past 25 years - what's new?

Nanny state + politically over-correctness + too much freedom for youngsters + bully culture + violent and sexually explicit computer games + over protection at school where a teacher cannot even hit the youngsters' hand for punishment + exaggerated confidence in children who need guidance instead + youngsters spoiled rotten + minimum parental supervision, encouraging anti social behaviour + failing educational system... and the list goes on!

And the media is not any better than some comments in this forum. I mean, no one is even giving a slight bit of thought to the morality of children copulating at that age, but instead many seem to question the level of sex education with regards to protection, and the availability of condoms! All my life, never heard of any such thing amongst Cypriot children!



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bigOz (32). Last sentence.... we may not be aware or have heard that such things happen amongst the Cypriot communities but that's not to say for certain that it hasn't - or doesn't happen. Incest happens, rape certainly does, so why not teen pregnancies? Shame & dishonour on the family is the biggest deterrent but not an absolute. Human nature is a frail thing......



Denny


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bigOz,



The morality of children copulating surely goes without question.



Lilli



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denny it really should go without question but if you consider the morals of some of the parents. Then it is no wonder. Its sad but true, mum get pregnant at 14/15 so now a grandma at 27. In the meantime that child she brought into the world may have had several stepdads. What the child sees is the norm to them. Its a very sad world out there now xAt 13 all i wanted was a pair of roller skates. I cant get my head around children having children and if they keep it which i doubt as education etc will have to be finished. Once they have done the round of chat shows reality shows etc and money in the bank . Will they think of that poor baby NO. How proud can you be being the youngest mum in the uk and how proud would your parents be. Yes Africa etc we accept but this makes me sick. Oh she is in the bedroom doing homework yeah right x



apc2010


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the youngest grandmotherI met was 34 ,,,,,,,,,,



Denny


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APC,



Maybe a bit of a Milf/Gilf combo there.



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