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EsentepeGal


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28/12/2010 18:19

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I Have been here 3 years now, have dutifully renewed my residency each time, whilst others that I have met here, have NEVER applied, simply crossed the border or gone to Turkey for the Night, and got a 90 day stamp aside from that Just what is the benefit of annual residency?, am I guaranteed citizenship?



Thank you



Pugwash


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28/12/2010 18:38

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No you are not "gauranteed" citizenship but you are doing the correct thing, they do stop people at the border and don't "always" give them 90 days, with the computers now they can see if you are acting outside the spirit of the law. You pay your money or not and take your chances, in a foreign country I prefer to be as legal as possible, just my opinion.



negativenick


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28/12/2010 18:44

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mess 2 - sort of "legal" in an illegal country ??



i know several people who have lived in the TRNC for in excess of 5 years - None of whom has annual residency - they just go over the border into the sounth - No problem.............



yorgozlu



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28/12/2010 19:09

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EsentepeGal;



Having your 'residency' in TRNC allows you to everything that WE TCs have other then right to vote.

The ones mentioned in msg3 by 'Mr.Richard Head',like in UK are classed as ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and you'll also find that,those are also the ones that moans at anything and everything,like the ones in UK in dole ques.

I have a none english neighbour who also thought the same as msg 3,and had to pay 1200tl for being late to get residency,who also keeps moaning about it.



Too little too late.



Pugwash


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28/12/2010 19:27

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Thank you yorgozlu a sensible post on the subject. I wonder if negativenick will try the same trick in Thailand or the Philippines? The point is that it makes sense to keep within the law if you possibly can, if you choose not to then the possible consequences are entirely your own fault.



daisy dukes


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28/12/2010 19:31

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The thing for a lot of folk that i know, border hopping (which can only be done for a certain amount of times) and going to Turkey for a day or so, is mostly used by folk who have a tidy monthly income, but do not have the lump sum in the bank to qualify for residency. Although going over the border, or going to Turkey is frowned upon by a lot of people, it IS actually legal, however it can work out quite expensive, especially if your visa runs out at holiday times.





DD



mrnmrshy


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28/12/2010 19:35

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msg4, I have 2 disagree,ex pats who have residency do not have the same rights as TCs, we seem to get stung on prices of furniture etc,as there are never prices on things. Also ex pats seem to have problems getting work or even setting up a business, unless you have lots of money in the bank. What are ex pats actually entitled to?



EsentepeGal


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28/12/2010 19:45

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DD Msg6



'but do not have the lump sum in the bank to qualify for residency'



Unless you have your Kochan!!, Earlier in the year whilst renewing, the minute they saw my Kochan, they said that they DIDNT need to see My bank dets , that the Kochan would suffice.



yorgozlu



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28/12/2010 19:45

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msg7;

"What are ex pats actually entitled to?"



Not alot,as 'you'(vast majority) have declered yourself 'retired' on arrival at your own will.



As for getting 'stung'............I remember paying more then you when we first got here and thinking'I got a good deal'...........silly me!

Now,I no longer tell them how much it'd cost in uk!wink



daisy dukes


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28/12/2010 19:56

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msg 8???????!!!! What??? Since when did this happen??? This is new......do you know of anyone else that has experienced this? (before i go shouting my mouth off, and getting folk all excited)





DD



Denny


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28/12/2010 21:01

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DD,



Having a kocan does work, or should I say has worked for some people. ;) It certainly gives the impression the authorities like to know which foreigners may be staying and who will get kicked out when the territorial adjustments/GC property settlements are made!



daisy dukes


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28/12/2010 22:01

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Well after being here for 7 years, this is new news to me...and fabulous news for some folk!!





DD



birdman



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28/12/2010 23:34

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I have heard that people over the age of 65 DO NOT NEED TO apply for residency. Is this correct? I have lived here now for almost 6 years and have my own villa. I am over 65, have no money in the bank but can live quite comfortably on my pensions. I applied for PERMENANT residency at my last residency update (5th) as I had heard that AFTER 5 YEARS it was possible to do so, but the staff in the Residency Department knew nothing about this and they tried to get me to take out a further 2 years residency?. ( There were no benefits to taking it out for two years as the cost was just twice the ammount for one year and who knows how long I will live for!!! LOL)

Do TC's living in the UK have to take out annual residency ? (What does it cost to take out Full, permenant residency and if it were granted, what benefits would it give me ?

These are genuine questions if anyone has the current answers. ( Yes I know they change daily !)



dusty48


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28/12/2010 23:49

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If you do not stick to the rules you may be deported or fined, take your chance but do not winge when it all goes wrong.



LaptaMike


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28/12/2010 23:59

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birdman, msg13. I have been reliably informed this evening by a notary and Lapta councillor that if you are over the age of 60 you do not have to tell the authorities anything. You are automatically entiltled to stay as long as you want in the TRNC.



yorgozlu



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29/12/2010 00:16

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birdman;



"Do TC's living in the UK have to take out annual residency ?"



No,there is no need since they/we are British citizens,and worked/paid taxes for years.In fact,if we live long enough,we will also get pension too,like yourself.



As for yourself.......you do not need to worry about having money in the bank........you have a pension which is a regular income.



cypgab


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29/12/2010 01:49

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Message 15 - Can we rely on that? Did you get it in writing?



Groucho



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29/12/2010 08:39

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"I have been reliably informed this evening by a notary and Lapta councillor that if you are over the age of 60 you do not have to tell the authorities anything. You are automatically entiltled to stay as long as you want in the TRNC."



Well you've been told some porkies... were his pants on fire?



birdman



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29/12/2010 08:57

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dusty 48 message 14

That's exactly what we are all trying to do but the rules change so frequently. (if they were rules in the first place !) There is so much bull.... from people who pretend they know the rules that it confuses those intent on trying to stay within the law. Many in goverment departments do not have a clue about the rules within their own sections and give contrary answers. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing and they have NOT been trained in their own specification. The government do nothing to help the confusion by clarifying duplicious laws which help to fill their coffers from the unknowing public! Confusion Reigns!!!



cooper


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29/12/2010 09:01

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Details here on Residency - http://www.brstrnc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98&Itemid=138



birdman



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29/12/2010 10:19

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Thank you cooper, a comprehensive answer at last.



stellasstar1



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29/12/2010 11:09

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As lovely as our Lapta council man and Notary is, he is not an Immigration Officer. Why does this rumour keep on going that the over 60's can stay here without residency.



Quarmby


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29/12/2010 11:15

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stellasstar1

it's the favourite cypriot pastime of telling you what they think you want to hear.



macgiblet


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29/12/2010 11:35

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Absolutely agree with you, "what are expats entitled to" answer as far as I am concerned is nothing. you are correct that we get screwed on prices, services, everything, we are not entitled to any benefits, unlike foreigners going to UK.. its about time they realised here that without the expats they would not be so well off, they should learn to appreciate what the expats do for the island, otherwise they may find that very soon they have :

"bitten the hand that feeds them" as more and more expats are upping sticks and heading for a better lifestyle.



japeal



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29/12/2010 11:49

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Can anyone who has the 'power to' ask the immigration office to publicise the benefits if any of Residency? All that appears is you need to take out 'residency' thats what they call it but basuically it is just you need to pay to stay and then the TRNC profit from us all speding money as well. We seem to get nothing officially for being a resident.



yorgozlu



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29/12/2010 13:39

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You get one thing for being a resident and thats being legal.Of course,everything else that comes with it also,ie.use of hospitals...........



But,above all,each one of you knew/should've known before you have moved over here.

I also do not like the fact that rules and regulations change friquently but this is an unrecognised part of the world by 'you' and until TRNC gets recognition where the rest of the world(you) can demand a democratical governing,it is how it is!



They remind me of bunch of kids wanting to play but cant decide on what game,because all thinks their idea is better then others.



cypgab


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30/12/2010 18:47

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Hypothetical Question



A couple reaching retirement age intend hiring a long term rental villa and to generally live in North Cyprus - but at least every three months to spend 2/3/4 weeks in Europe and the UK in their own house.



There is no intention of being residents in Cyprus and taxes from income (including pensions) will still be paid in the UK.



Would they still have to arrange for residency or would the re-entry new visas when back in Cyprus be sufficient.



yorgozlu



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30/12/2010 19:02

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msg 27;

It doesn't matter how long you spent in TRNC.

If you have bought/rented,the law requires you to obtain residency in order to be legal.

Getting visas every time entering might allow you to stay,but what if you need the use of hospitals for example?



You need to ask yourself,is it worth me spending 100-150(dont know how much it is being cypriot)or would I rather do what some do and moan when something goes wrong?



beeches


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30/12/2010 19:22

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Mssge 24 - Did anyone ask you to come to live here? Did anyone promise you benefits from living here? Why did you come here? Abide by the rules and stop complaining



cypgab


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30/12/2010 19:23

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Your first two lines answer the question.

There would be no intention of breaking the law, or abusing the TRNC or UK systems or cheating anybody.

So it would appear residency would be required in the TRNC and in the UK?

Are you able to provide a reference for the law (legal requirement) that states a person who rents a place in the TRNC has to be a resident?



cypgab


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30/12/2010 19:57

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Got it. It isn't Residency, it is Temporary Residency that would be needed.



macgiblet


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31/12/2010 07:53

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No None asked me to come and live hre, I have been living here for 5 years legally - applying for residency every year and doing the right thing, it is not a complaint it is a fact that over the 5 years things have changed here and NOT for the better, lots of people are finding that it is now almost impossible to "retire" here because of the costs incurred, why is it known that for every container coming in there are 10 leaving, this has to say something................surely even you can see that it is not merely wingeing Brits, but we will only take so much and then it is time to move on, I am glad you seem to be happy here.



cypgab


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31/12/2010 22:25

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One container in - ten out. Really? That's a bit worrying. Sounds like voluntary redundancy, all the best leave and the dross is left behind!



Denny


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31/12/2010 22:36

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Geoff,



That's why we have the calibre of leadership in the TRNC today.



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