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mikelapta



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27/02/2011 13:21

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So the Prime Minister,David Cameron is in the Middle East,and the Deputy Nick Clegg decides to go

on a skiing holiday.

Think I'd rather stay in TRNC



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Jeannie


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27/02/2011 13:27

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Mike - I feel you are being a bit harsh here. He 'forgot' he was supposed to be running the country. An easy mistake to make, wouldn't you say?



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In this day and age, with modern communications...Does it really matter?



Some people just want something to complain about.



sienna


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27/02/2011 13:41

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Leading the UK down a dark alley of despair really doesn't matter where you are doing it from ! the outcome is the same



Fewer jobs

Fewer Services

No libraries

Less civil servants



More people unemployed

More crime



but hey the pist was great



mikelapta



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27/02/2011 13:49

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sienna,did you mean "piste" or ???? apres ski



Yeni bob, the PM was in dangerous places,he may have his laptop and blackberry,but if he suffered any harm,

surely the deputy PM should have been in UK not "on the piste".

I hardly post on here,unless I consider it important.



malsancak


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27/02/2011 13:56

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if you create a coalition called the "ConDems" then it inevitably leads to criticism



sienna


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well they are surely 'pist' most of the time to be making all these bad decisions



Groucho



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27/02/2011 13:59

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While Cameron's in the Middle East, the tea-boy is not needed is he?



greenman


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27/02/2011 16:01

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Remember when John (Lord) Prescott was Deputy Prime Minister? Think most people would have been happy to see him well away from the country rather than taking some responsibility - although Pauline would have put him straight.



Woodspeckie


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sienna.msg 4. And who's fault it is that these cuts have to be made, couldn't be the Labour Government could it?



No1Doyen


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Surely he's entitled to have a few days off. )



suehowlittle


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I think he should stay there on the piste and lets have no-one running the country.



No one will notice anyhow. Thats how effective they are.



phylray



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Woodspeckie: Did you mean 'whose' fault is it..? Don't you know that every government that

comes in blames the previous one for anything and everything? Quote Reggie Maudling "Sorry to

leave such a mess, old boy.." The banks were mainly to blame and U.S



greenman


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Or the outgoing Labour chief secretary to the Treasury Liam Byrne who wrote simply: 'I'm afraid to tell you there's no money left.'



Groucho



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It would have been more accurate for Liam Byrne to say 'there never was any money, only smoke and mirrors making the public think that the government has money which in fact is only the public's money'



No government creates wealth, only people do that... governments suck it in and squander it to lesser or greater degrees.



MsGarnet


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A deputy PM wouldn't "run" the country, merely keep it in a holding pattern - until the PM returns - either way -'no man is an Island' - a short time with the PM away is not going to make an iota of difference - in the circumstance of a force majeure, either person would be back in England within a day, en route - keeping informed via all the technical know-how this world now affords them............I see no problem.......



mmmmmm



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Dear Sienna re msg 4



I don't know if you heard.. *the last lot left the books in a mess* .. Now we have folk like you suggesting this govt is 'bad' because they got more votes to do EXACTLY as they said they would.... !



millzer


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Message 17 "because they got more votes to do EXACTLY as they said they would.... !" LOLLLLLLLLLLL



Hmmmmmm I don't recall Nick Clegg doing exactly 'what he said he would'... Just ask any student!



And how about the changing of pensions increases from RPI down to the lower CPI, thus robbing current and future pensioners of thousands of £££'s for the rest of their lives! Most people still aren't aware of that one!!



Then they were selling off the forests... then they weren't



Protecting the NHS (ringfenced - no front line cuts) now 20,000 + jobs to go



Yeah, doing exactly as they said they would marky



Politicians all the same whatever their persuasion, self serving self indulgent hypocrites. They can 'afford' what they want to and can't afford what they don't want... conveniently.



A good start would be to reign back the annual 12 BILLION of foreign aid (up 50%) and stop wasting billions of UK taxpayers money on that European gravy train.



Groucho



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The common denominator with our politicians is their ill-placed inflated notion of their self-worth and self-belief... They think we want what they are doing to the country and that the,y and only they, know best! Fools..

Very few have the courage of their convictions, lots of them should be convicted for fraud and they abuse their position to gratify their basest urges too... filthy swine.

They are voted in on the basis of a manifesto and once in do all they can to maintain any status-quo that feathers their nests. Even if that's 180 degree direction from the declared intention as stated in their mandate.

Make your MP work - Don't vote for him at the next election!



flutterby


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28/02/2011 07:16

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Ha, and they say the TRNC is bad!!!



sienna


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how did Clegg get on this weekend without Camerons hand up his back - ahh bet he was lonely



mmmmmm



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millzer



1/ As a parent with TWO students of UNI age, I would try to listen to facts - not misleading 'propaganda'



Under the new student loans scheme MOST students will end up paying less



2/ Nick Clegg's party did not get the most votes.. is the current political make-up confusing for you ?



3/ Forests - they listened...



4/ NHS - I know much newly qualified nurses get find a job and lots of 'management' to get the 'chop' - but they are spending more money on it .. not less..



5/ CPI v RPI



http://www.parliament.uk/briefingpapers/commons/lib/research/briefings/SNSG-05830.pdf



Your assertion is over-generalised - folks would have done better if CPI had been the measure over last last inflationary period AND it is fairer as , >>The CPI covers a broader population than RPI - which excludes high-income households and low-income pensioners <<



millzer


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Marky,



1) I'm not on about 'misleading propaganda' or whatever! I'm on about the fact that he said one thing and then went and did another. We can all argue forever and a day about what and who will benefit or suffer as a result. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/universityeducation/8123832/Nick-Clegg-admits-breaking-tuition-fees-pledge.html



2) Never said they did!



3) Yes, they listened only after a storm of protest, but were incapable of realising in the first place that their scheme was pure madness from the very beginning. How many other stupid ideas will they come up with?



4) Don't believe the spin.



5) RPI to CPI, why would I believe a parliamentary briefing. Yes, in the past year CPI would have been better than RPI, but that was an exception to the rule that has not (and would not) have happened in the past 20 years. Read here about the effects of RPI to CPI; http://home.btconnect.com/AP_Publications/effectscalc/



millzer


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Some light reading for you Marky on RPI to CPI



http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2881124



millzer


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28/02/2011 21:24

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Oh and Marky,



2010 RPI = 4.6% 2010 CPI = 3.1%, so pensioners will get 1.5% LESS index linking to their pension, IN ONE YEAR..... try reading your own link!



"While in a single year the change to the CPI will make only a small difference in the amount of additional benefit or pension that is paid to an individual, the effects will cumulate over time. This is particularly important

in the case of pensions, which can be paid for many years and, in the case of occupational schemes may also contain elements of revalorisation over years of working life too. If, for example, the RPI exceeds the CPI by 1% point a year, after ten years the value of a payment uprated by the CPI would be around 91% of

what it would have been under RPI uprating; after 20 years, it would 83% and after 30 years 75%."



millzer


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28/02/2011 21:26

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Cont'd

As these are average measures of the cost of living across the population as a whole, the CPI (or RPI) may not reflect changes in the cost of living for specific groups. For example, the cost of the Joseph Rowntree

Foundationís minimum income budget over the last decade to 2010 has gone up by 38 per cent, faster than the 23 per cent rise in CPI and 31 per cent rise in RPI. So a lower CPI uprating could mean that benefit income

fails to keep pace with the cost of living for these people.



martinD41


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Msg 22,mmmmmm, I have one son at Cambridge,It costs ME, not the state,and in my opinion is as it should be



mmmmmm



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millzer



1) ( Student Grants / Loans Clegg didn't 'win' the biggest vote - The Tories did - and they've done what they said they'd do.. never mind the FACT that is is a fairer system ...



2) See 1) please . who 'won' .. WHO is the leader..?



3) I'd rather have a govt that 'listens and learns'



4) I believe what I see.. and experience..



5) I KNEW you'd ( try) and pick me up on that one - that's why I chose it .. ;)



i) in these times how many folks have occupational pensions ? ..Falling FAST..



ii) I noticed you didn't comment on the broader spectrum covered



iii) The idea of this IS a cost saving measure - as you posted the moneyexpert link, I'd suggest you read the various options available to those with person pensions, etc... msg 19 particularly relevant.



re msg 27..



What it costs - rather than who applies in your case... Are you better of worse off ? ;)



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