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Zoots


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Who'd have thunk a victory of this scale was possible? Labour utterly defeated and the Liberals almost wiped out by an historic Scottish Nationalist majority. Thoughts are now turning to Scotland regaining her independence. Perhaps the English will get their own parliament too one day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-13305522



poochops


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06/05/2011 22:03

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Let's hope so, but I doubt it, the scrapping of the Barnett formula would delight many in the uk however I doubt our Scots brethren would be too pleased at the prospect of paying for such things as university fees, prescriptions, care for the elderly dentistry etc, all made possible by this barn pot formula. No I think the majority of Scots know which side their bread is buttered. I'm delighted that the SNP got their landslide, let's face it Nick Clegg needed a proper spanking the spineless little sh*t; but I don't believe for one minute that a surge in opinion for Scottish independence had a jot to do with their success. Enjoy your victory you deserve it given the alternatives on offer. It's great to see some solidarity for a change, particularly in the United Kingdom.



Clarissa2


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06/05/2011 22:24

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Re : Msg 1,



Tha mi sona gu ler.

Suas le Alba!



clairegordon


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06/05/2011 22:30

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We are all absolutely thrilled, the parties are going on the length and breadth

*Saor Alba*



wanderer


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06/05/2011 22:31

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Consider all the public sector workers that would be without a job in their Scottish call centres with no English to tax Also they could have back their their bankrupt banks Bos & RBS & have the EURO to Boot

Salmond & Sturgin a right fishy pair wanted to be Celtic Tigers Eire & Iceland ) ) ) )



erolz


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06/05/2011 22:33

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Clairegordon, I assume you to be scottish ?



Can I ask what your views are on full scottish independance are ? Would you vote yes or no in a referendum ? What do you percieve to be the chance of a yes vote amongst your countyrmen when they get asked, as they surely must now ?



No1Doyen


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06/05/2011 22:46

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The Scots won't want to go it alone. They'll be lost without us. )



clairegordon


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Thank you Erolz

Yes I am a scot, from the heartland of the country, Tayside.

As this board can be quite abusive when debates start, suffice to say that, I would without hesitation, vote for total independence, the people I come into contact with on a daily basis are for the main part of the same opinion now, and to quantify simply, the "British government" has lost its way and is too intent on being politically correct at every juncture, however I doubt if the electorate will be asked the vital question (total independence) just yet.

On a very personal note, I would love to see us out of the EU. asap.



No.1 Doyen, sweet dreams lol



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06/05/2011 23:04

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Oh Claire,...getting rid of PC and telling the EU to sod off sounds like heaven to me,..



Whats the chance of becoming Scottish ?



clairegordon


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06/05/2011 23:14

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Turtle





There are still many hurdles to jump, streams to cross, divides to bridge, but we shall strive to achieve these ambitions peacefully and democratically



nurseawful



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06/05/2011 23:20

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message 6,

As a true Scot I voted NO in the first referendum and I would again. I am British and proud to be as I am a Scot but the way forward is not for a divided kingdom. In my humble opinion.



Chris



clairegordon


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I was away to ask if you lived here in Scotland Chris, but I already know the answer to that, of course you dont, but have you kept a little bit of Scotland or severed your roots, the reason I ask is that it is usually found that exiled Scots seem more patriotic than their homeland cousins.

However as you live so far away Chris you will miss the cut and thrust of the political scene here, believe me times they are a changing, and yes of course you are entitled to your opinion

I love going to the TRNC on holiday but East West Hame's best

Once again Saor Alba !

Claire



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Claire,

I still have my finger on the button, have always been patriotic, brought up in the Borders (David Steel) country, mother from the Outer Hebrides, lived and worked central Scotland for many years and certainly got an education there!!

Get in touch when you are over and we can have a (friendly) natter!



Chris



Zoots


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Msg 11,

"I am British and proud to be as I am a Scot but the way forward is not for a divided kingdom. In my humble opinion."

That's the whole issue. There would be no divided kingdom because Scotland would remain within the Commonwealth. It's all about a nation regaining her independence and behaving like a normal country. England is Scotland's closest neighbour and firmest friend, and the relationship would continue as normal.

Independence is not for the SNP to decide - it's for the people. And the SNP is the only party to offer a referendum for the citizens to vote on. Other European countries would think the Scots were nuts if they didn't want to stand on their own feet!



nurseawful



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07/05/2011 00:05

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In the last referendum 'the people' decided against Independence.

Before my time and maybe before yours my dad always told the story of the banner in Princes Street in Edinburgh which proclaimed ' The Scots are the most generous people in the world they give their oil away'. With hindsight the Scots should have voted then for independence, and it Could have been an oil rich country., but we were too canny to take the risk. Our fault we cannot blame anyone else.



Other than whisky what have we left, the knitwear we were famous for is gone.



But at the end of the day i am still Scots and proud to be British.



billybob


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07/05/2011 00:06

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England is Scotland's closest neighbour and firmest friend,



Except in the football, or fitba as the sweatys call it



nurseawful



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07/05/2011 00:18

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Billybob



Who are the sweaty's?? Do they play





in green and white hoops?





Scotland's closest neighbour and firmest friend



Could that be France?



Chris



billybob


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07/05/2011 00:42

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Chris read mess age 14 mebee I should of put astericks at each side of the quote from him about closest neighbour etc



Sweaty socks c'mon you musta heard of that un sweaty socks 'jocks'

Even if the Jocks get independence they will still love to beat England at football wont they



nurseawful



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07/05/2011 00:47

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Billybob,



Are you asking a question or answering it about football?



Re. message 14 Billybob did read it but, really what do you want me to say?



Chris



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07/05/2011 01:24

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How about us English having a referendum to be independent of the rest of the united kingdom ? How much money would we save in subsidizing the rest of the Scots, Welsh and Irish. ? ( wow, we could live in luxury, have free universities, free prescriptions and vote ENGLISH policies without interference from devolved parliaments who give us no votes on their policies ?)

How ridiculous the above statement is !

Just as ridiculous as the independent ideologies of the Nationalistic people who would love to see independence for each of their own countries.

The United Kingdom is filled with BRITISH people. United, we have led the world in many ways and had a wonderful Empire which has given the world much to be admired. Each of our united countries has contributed and gained from our joint contribution.

Divided YOU fall. Realistically, England is the only one of the UNITED KINGDOM which can survive independently.

Unlike ANDY MURRY, I am an Englishman who is happy to be BRITISH !



nurseawful



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07/05/2011 01:48

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Birdman,



I suggest you re-read what you have written in the morning!



But will agree (nearly) as i am a Scot who is very proud to be British!



Chrisw



iffytimes


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07/05/2011 09:01

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how will the frock wearing highlanders manage ?? they are not what you could call a wealthy province ! and thers not much cash in sking these days. mind you could be a few bob in caber tossing.



Aljanyoung


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07/05/2011 09:03

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absolute rot



Aljanyoung


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07/05/2011 09:12

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A lot of what is being said in these postings by "English Nationalists" is absolute rot, I detest abusive negative postings and would not normally say such things but the obvious ignorance by some posters of the true financial situation has incenced me. I believe that this victory may in time lead to a federal form of government in the UK, and as a Scot recognise and respect our UK partners and would hope that some of these postings reflect the views of an extreme minority of our Southern neighbours.



iffytimes


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"Scottish Nationalists" are treasonous wana bes they will break up the united kingdom at their peril and suffer the consequences.



They SHOULD GET BACK BEHIND THAT WALL AND OUT OF WESTMINSTER ASAP.



clairegordon


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07/05/2011 09:26

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Re-read message 8



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dekski


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I'm Scottish and and would vote for English Independance - they deserve it the same way the Scots do. Nurseawful's dad is correct - Scotland has always given away it's greatest assets, from people to oil. However, ''but we can still rise now - and be a Nation agaaain''



iffytimes


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take a look at what the snp is about..... http://scot.tk/snpset.htm



Zoots


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nurseawful msg 15 said: "In the last referendum 'the people' decided against Independence."

There has never been a referendum for Scottish independence. If you really are Scottish then please don't try and speak for Scotland as you clearly don't know even the basic history.



Zoots


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Msg 28,

You've found some wacko's website. What are you trying to say here?



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