why did YOU leave the the uk for north cyprus

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 19:50

there is quite a lot of anomosity and uncalled remarks aimed at the kktc ,the question i am posing is not why

you are upset about north cyprus ,but as to why you decided to leave the uk in the first ,what broke the camels back is what i,m really asking and why ,and why did you choose the kktc,because i believe some people have lost the reasons why they came here in the first place.



and if you make the move back to the uk ,what would you be looking for .



musin



long live the kktc

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 19:58

Good question Musin.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:04

I moved to Northern Cyprus because i was fed up of life in the UK,Id get up in the morning,work all day,Then make the evening meal,clean up,then sit in front of the tv all evening,go to bed then do it all over again the next day,my husband and i both worked and paid all our taxes ect, Now,we dont work,we do whatever we feel like doing,we eat out most days or buy ready made dinners,our money goes further i just wished i had moved here years ago when my kids were small,i have no regrets whatsoever about coming here, We are now living our lives

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:08

Well said Vonny, hope you are recovered. I think it was like that for most, here at least you have the freedom to do what you want or do nothing at all xxx I miss not working and I am spending my life cleaning at the moment getting all the pots and pans back to their orginal shine ready for our new adventure. I do not think its a chore and actually finding it quite theraputic, but if I have enough well we cook in or go out xxx

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:10

vonny. Good reasons for coming here indeed. Hope you are enjoying your life.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:13

vonny



understand what you are saying but surely you had to work to survive and surely if you had moved to the TRNC years ago would you have had enough money then to support yourselves there? I presume you are not working now? if so it is understandable that you have a more relaxing lifestyle now but you had to work for it in the past. glad you are enjoying life.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:19

Quarmby it is hard here if you have to work to live. However it is a beautiful place.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:27

Quarmby,if i had of came here years ago,i may have had to work, but what a lovely pension i would be receiving from the government now.i have to wait another 15 yrs for my uk pension (65,i missed it by a month)we do have a much more relaxed lifestyle and i can pop over to the uk whenever i need to

Thanks Lilli,still recovering,cant walk yet,but alls going well.good luck with your new adventure xx

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:31

It must be difficult for people who have to work to live here and have a decent lifestyle.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:34

Lilli



fully understand what you are saying, I lived there for almost 11years.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:37

vonny



thank you for your honest answer ,my second part of the question is would you go back to the uk and what would you looking for ,which you do not have to answer should you choose not too.





musin



long live the kktc

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 20:43

2nd part of your question,Nooooo,i would not go back to the uk, only for holidays to see my family,if they moved here then there would be no reason to go to the uk at all

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
13/05/2011 22:20

all the ranting and raving about the kktc and only one and can i say ,brave person actually answers.



this thread is now closed,reason given ...talk is cheap.



musin



long live the kktc

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 01:17

Muhsin



With respect you really need to come and live hear for 4 or 5 years to experience all aspects of the TRNC, it's not just sea, sand, kebabs & picnics...



You need to experience the regime and the collapsed system that has simply stopped functioning, try setting up a business here, try phoning for an ambulance or the fire brigade, try educating a child when knowing he/she has no future & no hope of progress or development. Human life has no value here nothing is monitored nothing is regulated.





Without a system progress is beyond impossible. If I go back to the UK the number one reason will be that the UK has a system in place and however much people moan and groan IT DOES ACTUALLY WORK...



The number two reason would be that it can offer me a wide range of business opportunities without the stress of being isolated and wrapped from head to toe with red tape by a goverment that does'nt know its arse from it's head.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 01:29

Most importantly I was fortunate enough to be born and bread in London, one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world and I most definately do not want my son growing up in the TRNC because I know for certain he hate me for it one day....



North Cyprus is for the older generation and once you hit the golden age and no longer desire the hustle & bustle and have forfilled personal ambitions then it may be fine.



These are the facts this is the reality



Ozzy

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 01:45

Well with respect I would disagree with you Stonehousepub....I moved from London in my thirties because I hated the hustle and bustle.....we relocated to a very rural area with just sheep for neighbours and I loved it from word go, my personal ambitions were not yet fulfilled......country life was the life for me and I could never ever live in London again.......My daughter did not hold it against me for moving her to the sticks, she now lives in the outback in Canada and hates the hustle and bustle of towns........but then it is not Cyprus with all that that offers, and does not offer.....

TinLondon


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 02:13

Very well put Ozzy! I too was born in the UK and although I spend a couple of weeks in the TRNC each year to see family, that really is as much as I can take. In the few weeks I do stay there, the daily difficulties and obstacles that face all the locals become very apparent.



When I spend all year working hard towards a holiday, I'm very reluctant to spend it in the TRNC these days because the beautiful country some people see through their rose tinted glasses is nothing more than a dust gathering rubbish tip. It makes me laugh when I see people on here comparing NC to the UK because apart from the weather there really isn't much the TRNC can offer compared to the UK. I may be stuck with my TC background for life, but I have no intentions of giving up my UK home for anything in NC. I have great respect for the Brits that have made a go of it there because I’ve seen for myself that the sacrifices are high for very little gain. I'm sorry, but the grass is greener in the UK!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 07:39

Hi all well we came here 4yrs ago having not even visited before. we sold up and came with cases a dog and cat. My family were so very worried having just seen a TV program re rip off builders so I assured my daughters that we would rent first and see what happens, they were so worried we would give some builder our money and have nothing in return !

So I guess because Mr Spider always wanted to live in the sun we came for the sun and a more relaxed way of living.And this is more or less what we have. I was tired of seeing him get up very very early to drive for hours around the M25 to work and back putting as many hours getting there as working his days job.

It has been very hard parting with family and life long friend and just seeing them on visits. I also get tired of all the problems you hear about over here all the time about the way the government behave and the builders/banks rubbish etc,etc.And my heart goes out to all who have suffered.

cont..

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 07:51

Would I go back home ? No....Because my husband is my life and he loves everything here. I gave my family all of myself when they were young we worked hard as we all have done and this is our time and before we are far too old to enjoy life we chose to move here. Its not one big holiday we live a quite simple life we have a few friends. Its what we make it and how we except it, as you would back home.





Spider,X

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 07:57

i suspect that most people are here, because they are not all there..........................

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 08:07

Nick are you ever anywhere









Spider,X

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 08:45

We came to the TRNC because after working all our lives, to retire in the UK, would mean for a lot of " oap's" spending most of their time indoors due to the weather. It is much easier to socialise because of being able to spend time more time outdoors in your gardens etc.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 09:06

I came because Cyprus is my birth place and had had enough of being thrown here and there by the british justice,as they pleased.









































































ohhh,almost forgot,I also came here because I was foolish enough to beleive all I was told and went and bought a property on a pre 74 GC owned land,because it Was CHEAP!!!

In turkish we say,'Zararın neresinden dönersen kârdır'.

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 11:20

guess cheap was still alot for you and it's all you could afford then in good faith

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 12:28

When I came to Cyprus, they didn't have double yellow lines, parking tickets, speed cameras, expensive petrol, ridiculous regulations, crazy council tax, etc. etc.

Who wouldn't want to live here?

basheer



Joined: 22/12/2008
Posts: 949

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 13:35

Actually living in NC is not cheap, shopping at supermarkets whenever I'm down averages around £150+

per week then there's the petrol approx £30 per week plus elect and gas and water tops the bill then eating out once a week plus take aways!!!!

you need to be rich in cash if one lives permanently there

will check out what the local eat when next down and see if that works out well

YFred


Joined: 06/05/2009
Posts: 1471

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 13:40

I am coming back because it is my home. But first I am going to the south with all my 18 kids and 7 wives so they will have to house me and pay me unemployment money. And then when they give me all my land back and all the compensation I am due, I shall then return to where I was born.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 14:56

mess14 gets you a "Neg Nick" post of the week award..



Very Well done........





Mess 17 - If it wasn't for mess 14, you'd be getting the "neg nick" post of the week award.........





mess 23 - Worzel old fella - you couldn't sod off could you ? - constanty keep taking the micky out of the poor brits that have been lied and cheated to, by your fellow countrymen............

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 15:06

msg1" Why did you leave the UK for north Cyprus"?.....I didn't...........

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 15:19

msg 28;



"mess 23 - Worzel old fella - you couldn't sod off could you ? - constanty keep taking the micky out of the poor brits that have been lied and cheated to, by your fellow countrymen..........."



congragulations,you have won the 'Mr.Richard Head' award of the week......................again!!!!!..........................................simply by assuming,yet again........



ready for your free lift yet???

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 16:27

stonehousepub, If I go back to the UK the number one reason will be that the UK has a system in place and however much people moan and groan IT DOES ACTUALLY WORK...



yes,and that is,people can claim benefits, i understand it can be a struggle to survive here with a young family but it can still be a struggle in the uk, just to find work now is not easy,to open your own businuss isnt easy,the cost of rent,rates tax vat,we had all that when we were in london.they broke into our shop,items were nicked,and now you cant even confront someone whose stolen from your shop.and schools,education has gone down,so many kids leave who cant read or write,if you send them to uni,it doesnt mean they'll get a job after, and what crowd will your kids be drawn into?, will they beable to go out and play like here, i wish you the best if you return to the uk

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 16:40

We left the UK for TRNC because after visiting here for fifteen years we decided this was where we wanted to enjoy our retirement. I am not going to knock the UK, it's the country of my birth and we had many happy years there but Cyprus offers us much more of the lifestyle we want. It is not perfect here by any means, nowhere is in my opinion, but for us it's fine, we were lucky, we had a great builder, our house was built on time, we got the Kocan after three months, and despite the frustration at some of the systems in use here and the incompetence of the Government in sorting things out we are very happy here. Unless there is a drastic change in our circumstances we don't have any plans to return to the UK, so long as we continue to live what I would call a * normal* life, not a long holiday life, then we will be quite content and happy with our decision to move here.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 18:36

msg 31



vonny



I was not refering to the benefits system...



That in itself is a completely different issue, fortunately I have never had to take advantage of the benefits system in the UK.



We cannot even begin to compare such a superior(UK) country with the TRNC, if it was'nt for the UK having such an organised and well balanced system niether of us would have been able to afford to move here.



Sorry but any child that leaves school not been able to read or write is in my opinion just thick.



I have had many succesful businesses in the UK and yes costs are high but so is footflow & turnover.



The TRNC has nothing whatsoever on offer for youngsters and believe me you really need get out and see what goes on here on a Friday or Saturday night, I can assure you that you will be shocked.



It all depends what one wants from life... But whichever angle you look at things besides the weather the UK has it all.



Anyone that thinks different is just kidding themselves

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 19:03

TopTen. We are 73 but most days we go for a walk or are working in the garden no matter what the weather is like, today cold and raining but we spent 1.1/2 hrs on a playing field watching our 12 yr old grandson playing rugby, We weighed up the pro's and con's of moving to either NC or Turkey after many holidays there, and decided that no way would the lifestyle suit us.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 19:13

Thats what I miss woody, watching my grandkids at their sports . My eldest was 17 yesterday, already welsh junior boxing champ. I have missed all that . I can see the pros and cons but I think stonehouse has summed it up.

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 21:41

Stonehousepub......"Human life has no value here nothing is monitored nothing is regulated."



Be careful ....EVERYTHING is monitored!

ay-yaz


Joined: 02/04/2011
Posts: 117

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 22:09

Hi to everyone,

I have lot to say but what what will change?

It used to be (dream land), Green land couse we used to have NATURAL Forests, clean beaches and honest people,I'm fond of my country,but now unfortunately some of us lost our cultural values.I hope and ı believe that it's not too late to realise that.

'Every thing gonna be all right just need time to wake up!!!!

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 22:50

Msgs 14 and 17 outstanding. Sal as well. This is a place for expat oldies with simple needs and a dwindling number of TCs who are too busy just trying to get by.

Don't you think 50+ years as a Londrali makes you an unrealistic cheerleader for the "kktc"?

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 22:51

Msg 38 @ Musin.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 23:19

MUSIN M (mess 1)



Why Did you Leave the UK for Northern Cyprus?



Hundreds didn't get to Northern Cyprus (They lost everything before entering) so never got there! many more are now renting having lost everything! The TRNC Government have a lot to answer for! many Ex pats are "happy" and have "No Problems" at the expense of brown envelopes and corruption! MUSIN M if you don't believe that, then your dafter than I thought

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 23:27

trncvictim

please could you read the message i have posted and if you like to answer then you are welcome too ,if you want to rant and rave then start your own thread.



thank you



zoots



when did you start thinking .





musin



long live the kktc

Riddles


Joined: 26/04/2011
Posts: 429

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 23:34

I didn't ...and wouldn't.

Love the sunshine and the sea but love family, (real) live music, theatre, quality press and grass on golf courses more

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
14/05/2011 23:59

MUSIN M (mess 41)



I read your message 1 again! I seem to remember you said you would join a London Protest (off course you didn't arrive)! your message 1 is rubbish it says some feel animosity and give uncalled for remarks! i never left the UK in the first place, I would always have kept my home here in the UK! but many didn't!



You are full of Hot Air, and the wonderful kktc! with your sort of argument I think I am with NN and kfc



As for ranting & raving! I think you take the crown

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 00:01

Can i just sat 1 more thing on this subject,or rather a question for trnc victim.

Did you make any friends in cyprus who are still living here,Are they all unhappy and want to go back or are they content with their lives here? would they admit to you they were contented because i feel you are so bitter, you cannot not accept that some people are happy. Dont get me wrong,im not trying to be nasty,and maybe if i had been in your position, id be bitter too,I wish you all the best,and to everyone that is having/had problems here, i do understand it must be horrible and i hope it can be sorted out.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 00:18

vonny (mess 44)



You look so inward! There are many unhappy victims both in the TRNC and outside, and many happy both inside the TRNC and outside!



Mine and many many others experience was truly dreadful! I know both sides to the sad/happy story! but I'm not staying quiet to appease you vonny and your happy clappy ending! I wish you all the best, however I will inform any future victims of every pitfall that the TRNC can inflict on them!

madhatter


Joined: 08/06/2010
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 11:59

All,

I really enjoy reading this topic and I respect everyone completely. IMHO......the only way to truely understand a country is to work in it, meet people, live as part of the system, have children in education, work to pay bills and most of all, integrate as much as an expat can possible do......I have been a part of the system and my family has integrated on all the above.....I dont have rose coloured glasses for the UK or NC and I can honestly say that NC has not got the infrastructure in place to support growth and give the opportunities and long term security a "expat" family needs. Only when it does can we really have a discussion on whether we can compare NC to the UK.



It comes down to what you are looking for in life...if you are retired and want to enjoy the climate then its a wonderful place to be....

madhatter


Joined: 08/06/2010
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 12:16

p.s Musin M....going back to Message 1.....nothing broke the camels back....When you have children you want them to have as many life experiences as possible...I was hoping this experience was going to last 10 years or more but North Cyprus wouldnt allow that to happen....



Thank you again for starting this discussion.....it's good to talk!;)





Most repect and Kind regards

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 12:30

thank you madhatter



that,s the kind of info i am looking for ,great insight ,that,s why i started this thread.





musin



long live the kktc

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 12:41

trncvictim

you say you never left the uk for north cyprus in which case this thread does not really apply to you ,yet you still hijacked it and still rant and rave ,please start another thread or rant and rave on 3cyprus.com .



and personal insults will do your cause no justice ,i am sorry what you have gone through and the injustice you have been dealt with ,however please stop hijacking every thread .



musin



long live the kktc

parkes82uk


Joined: 22/10/2010
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 13:41

Msg 49 I totally agree it is terribly sad what those people have suffered but hijacking every thread grinds on your nerves.



TrncVictim you are such an angry, bitter person and as I said previously there comes a time when you have to accept you made a human error.

We have all suffered at some time in our lives with something which seems impossible to overcome or move on, but we have no choice it's either accept it or waste our life dwelling on.

I am genuinely sincere in what I say, and have suffered terrible trauma in my life, so don't go for my juggular! Yes you lost your life savings but you do still have your life! X



Would I move TRNC, yes, and we are in September all going well both sides of the ocean. Could it be a mistake... maybe,

maybe not but as a family we want to try it, a new chapter and a new experience. Ps we are going to rent not buy... We have listened to you TrncVictim thank you x

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 16:09

' Yes you lost your life savings but you do still have your life! X '



So TRNCVictim should keep quiet, cos you only lose your life savings and not your life.

Great advert that for TRNC. 'only' losing your life savings!



I doubt you you have lost your life savings as if you did, you would know that for most,while you are strictly correct,in that they have not lost physical life, it does indeed mean losing a meaningful life. I know one widow , who blames the loss of their life savings 100% for the death of her husband.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 17:34

grumpy old man

no one is suggesting trncvictim keeps quite she has a 101 options to air her griviences ,all i am asking is stop hijacking every thread.



musin





long live the kktc

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 17:51

what's all this 'long live the kktc' nonsense - you don't even bloody well live here unlike many of the Brits and other foreigners. Easy sentiment to express when you live in London.

Put your money where your mouth is. Mind you, no benefits here old boy.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 18:25

Trooper ;-) ;-)

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 18:32

trooper - well said. Maybe Musin is going to relate to us all the (valid) 101 options available to her?

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 18:34

mess 53 gets you the "neg Nick" post of the month - well done....





Old muslin sounds like some idiot extreemist with all that "long live the kfc" nonsense.........





In reality - The place is a shabbily run shit hole that 1,000's of poor brits got conned into investing in..........





It will take more than words for the place to get it out of the mess that it is already in...........

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 18:52

and you blame the tc,s for your troubles ,with remarks like that and personel insults,keep them coming and don,t worry i,m big enouth and ugly enough to take it .



mr bicknell how is your new diet coming on ,2nd of june i,m out in north cyprus for 4 weeks i,m coming to buy you a drink and we can discuss the kfc ,until then.



ps ,sorry to hear your hair dye came out wrong .



musin





long live the kktc

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 19:48

MUSIN M (mess 49)



you say you never left the uk for north cyprus, in which case this thread does not really apply to you,



MUSIN M I have to disagree! I Intended to move to North Cyprus but the corruption stopped that move! the life savings of not just myself but many more were stolen, along with my late husbands life! I have every right to answer YOUR thread! my move was stopped before it began! people need to know that many won't make that move they planned! as I have said before no-one rants & raves more than you! by the way I don't have a cause unlike you!



Thank you girne 29 & kaiserphil for your support!



parkes82uk (mess 50)



Unfortunately I am a bitter woman! (I'll add old to that) I did not make a human error I along with many more were defrauded! I have no intention of moving on, until the TRNC cleans up it's very dirty act! i'm so please you listened! enjoy your new life! I'm sure YOU won't make a mistake.



Just for you NN long life the KFC

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 20:37

Musin;

Ignore them...................

TRNCvictim feels better by behaving this way,kind of gets it of his/her chest...........as for Mr Richard Head,............................



......and,they have the cheek to moan about not being able to sell their properties.Not even inelligent enough to work out WHY?...........other then being TRNC governments fault!!







long live CYPRUS,long live CYPRIOTS..............everyone else are in wrong place...........bugger off......

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 20:39

Musin



I note that you didn't answer Trooper's post. No one can argue with your patriotism, however your credibility is sorely tested when you state that you are coming out to your beloved TRNC for a whole 4 weeks - how come you have not sold up in the UK and moved out here lock, stock and barrel to support your Motherland ??



In order to talk the talk...........................



Paul

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 20:49

Is the credibility of a UK expat expressing patriotism towards the UK sorely tested because they no longer live in the UK ?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 21:24

erolz (mess 61)



I live in the UK and the credibility of the TRNC (ex pats) who lived in the UK (made their money) and then went back expressing patriotism for the TRNC is frightening!



Perhaps yorgozlu should have gone home from the UK many years before he did and along with MUSIN M together they could make many a penny! their intelligence second to none!



and I quote "LONG LIVE CYPRIOTS EVERYONE ELSE IS IN THE WRONG PLACE"....................BUGGER OFF.........



yorgozlu I have buggered off never to return (your country has had everything I have got)

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 21:32

TRNCvictim I asked a question, you do not seem to have addressed it, but you have commented on posts not made by me.



My NZ partner chose to leave NZ over 30 years ago. She from time to time expresses patriotism towards NZ. I guess I should inform her that the credibility of her expressed patriotism is sorely tested because she chose not to live there. That seems to be what fiendishpaul was saying.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 22:04

Erolz



Re 61 - No, I don't believe it is, as the vast majority of UK expats would have spent the majority of their lives in the UK before 'retiring' to the TRNC. They have 'served their time'.



I am happy to be corrected, but my understanding is that Musin and many TC's went to the UK at a very young age and have stayed there ever since. To then defend from afar, every facet of the TRNC (both good and bad) almost to the point of zealotry, whilst having not lived here for any length of time, impacts on their credibility.



If I am wrong about Musin's domestic situation then I would of course apologise unreservedly.



Regards



Paul

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 22:06

trooper

let,s answer your question then ,firstly you assume you are above tc,s big mistake ,secondly you assume all london tc,s are on benefits even a bigger mistake and lastly you ask me to put my money where my mouth is ,

i already have ,but this has naff all to do with you old boy .



in essence what you are upset about is my patriotism ,well i can,t help you there,Have you heard me slag off the uk or do you think as an alien in your country it,s been all roses ,please lets not go there mate ,you english were certainly racist then ,but that was then and now is now and i thank this country for making me the success i am today ,more then what you people say about my country ,so i say to you exactly what yorgozlu say,s LONG LIVE CYPRUS ..LONG LIVE THE CYPRIOTS....everyone else is more than likely in the wrong place

so bugger off .

if you want to stay then roll with the punches and get on with it ,just like i have had to in your country.



musin



long live the kktc

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 22:09

My NZ partner has spent more of her life outside NZ than in it. I think her patriotism towards NZ is sincere and I do not think it lacks credibility because she has chosen to not live there for more than she has lived there. Just my own view.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 22:17

erolz



the picture i am getting from some of the expats is them and us attitude ,which i believe is not a winning solution,it,s a shame .





musin



long live the kktc

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 22:24

mess 57 - what else would we expect from a bloke with the appearance of a



You'll learn............







Edited ,Part of post removed ,do you have to make such a personal remark ?, that is downright rude

Simbas

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 22:26

Well musin I am both them and us. I am both a TRNC citizen and a British citizen. I have lived in both places. I have pride in aspects of both Britain and the TRNC and shame in aspects of both. I do not think my location or how long I lived in a place changes that or the credibility of my expressions of it, but others are entitled to their views.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 22:38

erolz;not posted to me but allow me to comment on 69;



Totally agree,however,constantly knocking TRNC but for some strange reason carrying on to live there is beyond me.Like some do!!Which is the reason I retaliate like I do.

There is only so much one can take.I packed up and moved away because I couldn't take anymore of so called British justice,which only see me mention as a rateliation.

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 22:43

Msg 68 , edited for reason given

Simbas

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 22:57

erolz ( mess 61)



Is the credibility of an expat expressing patriotism toward the uk sorely tested because they no longer live in the UK?



erolz I can't answer that question I have never lived outside the UK! I know many NZ ex pats who live in the UK! and all of them are honest hard working people who enjoy the fruits of the country they are living in, have made their lives here, but I am sure love their home country! I have no problem with that! what I have a problem with is with people like MUSIN M and yorgozlu who are either living or have lived in the UK enjoyed everything the UK offers, and then tell the expats living in the TRNC to bugger off if they are not Cypriot! and MUSIN M is still living in the UK! Double Standards or what!



As for rolling with the punches! the TRNC has for a long time punched below the belt it likes to hit the balls! that's about as low as anyone can get! (the elderly, frail & vulnerable)

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 23:00

how is Mr.Robb these days??

Stonehousepub


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Posts: 755

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 23:05

msg 46/47



I cound'nt have put it better myself....



However I have noticed in a couple of posts that some members seem to think UK TC's rely on the UK benefits system to get by.



I would just like to say that Turkish Cypriots are one of the hardest working ethnic groups in the UK, most of of them are business owners (small & large) and contribute highly to the UK economy.



So please do not confuse us with other minority groups whose only purpose in life is to sponge off and abuse the UK benefits system.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 23:12

TRNCvictim



I just do not see how you can know that Musin M and or Yorgozlu are not any different from your NZ friends you talk about, in terms of being hard working honest people who enjoy the fruits of the country they are living in who also love their home country of Cyprus ?



For me it would only be double standards if I knew Musim M was posting on a forum in the UK for cypriots living abroad and constantly posted negative things about the UK there and then complained about Expats doing it here. THat would be a double standard. Do you know they are doing this.



Fair ciristim about the TRNC is fine with me from anyone. However constant posts like 'the palce is a shithole' and 'they (tc or cypriots) are all thieves' are not fair critisim, they are abuse. If your NZ friends were to log into a NZ forum for expats living in NZ and saw a similar barrage of abuse about NZ from non NZ nationals, I am sure they would defend NZ just as Musim defends North Cyprus and uderstandably so.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 23:17

yorgozlu (mess 73)



I know where Mr Robb is! perhaps you would like to tell me where Tahir Soycan, Kutsal Tokatioglu, Cafer Curcafer, Mert Gugclu, & Akan & Talat Kursat are? you being so in with the in crowd in the land of plenty!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 23:23

msg 76;



Why don't you ask Mr.Robb whilst there asking for your money,since you know where he is?

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 23:28

message (77)



Mr Robb is out of action why don't you ask his Cypriot Friends? I would be very grateful!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
15/05/2011 23:52

Was G Robb the uk citizen wanted by the police

who then got Cypriot citizen-ship?

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 00:09

philbailey;

Garry Robb was never a Cyprus citizen..............TRNC maybe...........

Zoots


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Posts: 669

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 00:11

The very same.

TRNCvictim


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Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 00:14

Correct philbailey!



Oh dear we have Hi-jacked MUSIN M's thread:-



"why did you leave the uk for northern cyprus"



erolz (mess 75)



I don't think I have ever posted that the TRNC is a s**t h*le or that the TC's are all thieves? perhaps it would be pertinent if you can prove where my abuse occured?

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 00:47

trncvictim



can you please point out the double standards which you refer too ,when i started this thread i was looking more at what people were expecting from the uk if they returned.



however i now believe you do not have the answers ,as you really are

not sure what you really want.







musin



long live the kktc

LaptaMike


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 1679

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 00:50

nice weather, most of the time and I like the locals.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 07:59

TRNCvicitim re msg82 to be clear I was not claiming YOU said those things. I was pointing out that they are the sort abuse that has been posted here and is being posted here and with increasing regularity. I have answered your question will you answer my earlier ones (msg 75) ?.

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 10:02

re msge 65

I'm not sure where you get the idea that we (Brits) are above TC's. That may or maybe not true but I don't think I said that.

I assume all TC's in London on benefits.....Didn't say that either. Suspect lots are bearing in mind the Universal Child Benefit is by definition a benefit just for a starter.



As for your patriotism, wear it on your sleeve or on your head for all I care - but interestingly a former Prime Minister of the UK - Mr Disraeli once said.......''The only truth is race''. Think about that for a fews mins. It might help.



As for words to the effect of you're in the wrong place - bugger off......If only the British natives could make that apply to the hordes of foreigners who have made such a mess of my country, but no due to numerous governments of various hues, the good old foreigner has rights beyond their wildest dreams. Just like here really isn't it.

Enough.

styliana85


Joined: 30/06/2010
Posts: 101

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 15:03

DIDNT WE ALL MOVE FOR THE SAME REASONS? england is a place where u work, eat, sleep..all day everyday (same routine) and with a summer that lasts for less than a month...



North Cyprus is calm, something new can happen everyday, we have the sunshine and we dont have all the laws of the EU )

styliana85


Joined: 30/06/2010
Posts: 101

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 15:06

One of the things i do dislike though is how rude people can be on this forum. You ask a question or post a topic and then get sarcastic answers...rude answers or people trying to scare you.



Theres nothing to be afraid of here, the law is easy on us..people make it a problem by stressing and not answering peoples questions in a polite way...



Lets all get on, its a small place!

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 18:34

Why does the name 'Stylian' ring bells? Anybody else remember the name from long ago?

As I recall a 'Stylian' was the sender of abusive emails? Or have I got the name wrong?

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 20:26

I said enough earlier, but as a very last word to Musin - about patriotism. Dr Johnson made a particularly apposite comment on the subject many years ago. Think about that too old boy.



GOOGLE it if you don't know what I'm talking about.

that really is enough.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 10:14

mess 1 - cuz it was cheap........



but with heinz sight - anything stolen is going to be cheap and sooner or later comes back to bight you on the arse.........

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 10:24

So the apartments that you bought NN were also cheap were they.

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 10:27

mess 92 - very cheap, but sold them now to a "shrewd investor"



thank god..........

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 18:11

trooper



are you refering to samuel jonhson ,if so what about him.



musin



long live the kktc

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 18:16

msg93



stop lying ,you couldn,t buy a shed.





musin



long live the kktc



Post edited for spelling error ? , resulting in an offensive expletive ' remember rule 3

Simbas

trooper


Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 211

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 20:09

Musin. Samuel Johnson as everybody should know said 'patriotism is the last resort of the scoundrel'.

If I were you I would be embarrassed to ask.



never mind, keep taking the talk and hope you never have to prove your patriotism. You'll probably be too busy cooking dinner of something.



When you actually serve your country (either the uk or trnc) you might know somethinhg about the reality of patriotism. Good night, and please don't bother to reply.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 20:52

trooper



for someone your age you are quite inane .

please do not bother to reply ,your heart rate may increase ,good night.





musin



LONG LIVE THE KKTC

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 21:41

Looks like this has all gone OFF TOPIC.







Oh dear yet again.





Spider,X

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 22:11

SPIDER



i asked a valid question ,mostly wanting to know what people going back to the uk would be looking for ,it get,s hijacked by some silly people and i like an idiot take the bait ,what can i say .



musin



long live the KKTC

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 22:20

MUSIN M (mess 99)



you said it? whether the question was valid remains to be seen!



long live the KFC

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 22:28

Well Musin,if its any consulation,i think you asked a valid question,its just a shame the reaction you got.









long live your lives.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 22:37

I came back to my birth place because UK drained the life out of me.















Short live the TFCs

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 23:02

I think the TRNC has drained the life and money of many expats.

Zoots


Joined: 05/02/2011
Posts: 669

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 23:06

How come nobody's answered msg 1 with "I had arrest warrants out against me and a load of drugs money to hide"? We know you're out there, people.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 23:22

yorgozlu (mess 102)



You were extremely lucky you went back to your birth place! 100's of never managed to make it to the KFC our money/lives were fraudulently stolen before we got to the KFC! our lives/life savings drained out of us!!!!!

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 23:36

KFC & TFC means what????????



TRNCvictim



Do you not blame yourself in anyway for what you've through ? Just curious...

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 23:37

been through

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 00:19

stonehousepub



of course she does not blame herself ,she thought she was buying a cheap property,on stolen land ,with a corrupt goverment and all the turkish cypriots out to get her ,not my words.



musin



long live the KKTC.

parkes82uk


Joined: 22/10/2010
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 01:56

Lol you people never fail to shock me with your harsh words. I do enjoy a laugh though and I am sure some of you love the buzz of setting people off!

Have a lovely week everyone! X

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 07:53

I feel really sad at all the them and us comments on this forum. The truth is why oh why did you choose to move

and buy property in a state that is unrecognised, does not need to abide by any international standards.I am TCY not one member of my family has moved into or purchased a former Greek house or anything built on former greek owned land. Those who were refugees and recieved exchange titles should never have been able to sell especially to foreigners. Crazy - at the end of the day if there is a solution you will be lucky to have any recognition - the world rightly or fairly sees you as vultures. People moan abt not being able to buy pre 74 titled property. The reason is simply- if TCYs sell all the titled they have no legal claims.

trooper


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Posts: 211

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 21:29

Musin, Going back to your 'patriotism', you really must tell us all about how you have done so much for yourcountry - the trnc of course - not that it has g iven you anything at all. I wonder how patriotic you would be if the UK decided you should be called up to fight for it? I think you and all the others like you would suddenly find you needed to fly back here to look after your mum/aunty/sister/cousin etc. Having worn several cap badges I happily don't have to prove my patriotism.



[[POST EDITED FOR OFFENSIVE REMARKS]]



Just be glad that talk is cheap. Others better than you pay the price

Goodnight.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 22:08

trooper



i have upset you have i not ,maybe i have hit a nerve ,maybe my patriotism has upset you .



well what can i say except calm down and think about your heart ,the abuse you have aimed at me is uncalled for ,which goes a long way to show how you feel about us tc,s and yes talk is cheap which is why you are calling me a tosser .



ps

do you wear your several cap badges all at once and do they state how patriotic you are .





musin



LONG LIVE THE KKTC

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 22:50

msg 111



At the age of 65 you should be able to debate a subject without having to make personal insults.... Calling a fellow forum member a tosser is totally uncalled for.....You should be ashamed of yourself !!

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
18/05/2011 22:51

Why did you leave UK for North Cyprus ?





I think it should stay on topic or get closed JMHO..





Spider,X



Well do you honestly think it is on topic ?

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 00:07

This thread illustrates exactly why letters appear in the local press criticising forums. It is a good example of why threads should be moderated and closed. If you don't understand this now, you never will.

On topic.

After a lifetime of continuous employment i sought a relaxed retirement in the sun and to make the most of the years (God willing) left to me.My opinion was that the UK had become progressively a nastier, meaner, more dangerous and very expensive place to live, where people followed the "cult of the self" with little thought of the needs of others. Also,that petty restrictions and "one size fits all" law making had destroyed the application of common sense by individuals.Moving here I have found comparative peace, and regardless of what you say to the contrary the cost of living is considerably cheaper, the villa far better than I could afford in the UK and ignoring the vitirol of certain forum members it is a friendly place to be where family values still exist.

Ton

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 00:07

I didnt. I just left the contents of my wallet in The TRNC.



Narrow escape!



wyn

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 00:11

At least msg115. is honest

he could not afford anywhere else

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 00:16

elkiton



thank you for a sincere answer ,you are the second person to have done so ,not bad after 100plus posts.





musin



LONG LIVE THE KKTC

simbas



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Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
19/05/2011 06:27

Msg 95 edited for reason given

Simbas