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andre514


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Message Posted:
23/05/2011 20:51

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perhaps a statement of the bleedin' obvious,

as reprinted in the "famagusta" gazette online

...but a year or two back there was a feeling

of guarded optimism at least on this forum



apparently the 2004 rejection of the anan plan

by roc voters destroyed what trust there was,

to cap it all the tc's then voted in a hard-liner



perhaps it is time for the parties to look at a

practical alternative, the two-state solution:

after all, it is the only other idea on the table



andre



ps I do wonder just where "20%" came from?



newlad



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23/05/2011 21:28

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Rauf has been having a right go about Downer today Hector,saying that he is not impartial and favours the views of the Greek Cypriots,



Paul.



newlad



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23/05/2011 21:51

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Or even Andre,whoops,



Paul.



andre514


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Message Posted:
23/05/2011 23:44

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paul,



glad you question my being "impartial" even in jest



I think this impartial business is a complete con...

it is not respectable to pretend you are above it all

when it does take resources to bash out a posting

and on usually personal and emotive issues at that



I do think it is quite possible to be objective though:

for example to recognise that (a) thinks like this

(b) thinks like that etc



when you try to apply moral judgements its tricky

since there are usually two, three or more versions

of history ie of what exactly happened



I have been described as not wanting a "solution"

as prince charles would say "whatever that means"

...which is a daft label since it is so unlikely (IMHO)



like many things in the world it is just muddlin' thru



andre514


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Message Posted:
23/05/2011 23:54

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oops, sorry paul ,misread your misprint

or as marshal mcluhan once said "you misunderstand my fallacy"



there seem to be brain gremlins about today,

poor old mark is spewing out typos like grimsvaten spouts dust



newlad



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Message Posted:
23/05/2011 23:58

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Poor old Bill,sorry i meant Mark,



Paul.



mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 02:39

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Hi Andre514



I have indeed been making a few spelling mistakes... but I do know how to spell ANnan ;)



mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 02:46

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BTW, Andre514



I wouldn't say you don't want a soln.. you just seem happier with the current non-solution... ;)



Your 'short' version of "the reasons for Annan's failure" bear NO relation to reasoning for the GC 'No'..



They had ( unfortunately) just elected a hard line 'hawk' ( to combat nearly 20 years of Mr D's intransigence ) at the VERY time the TCs had elected a guy they could have done business with.. :(



Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 09:50

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20% chance of a settlement - the EU must be far more 'out of touch' than we already knew they are!



TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 10:24

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Better to describe it in words rather than percentages, perhaps.

With 0% equating to "Not a chance in Hell" and 100% as "Absolutely Guaranteed", I'd put 20% at "Slim, at best".



andre514


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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 21:56

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message 8:



you continue pretending it is up to others to dictate

what the turkish cypriots old and new, and the gc's

might ever agree as to their future and their security



as for myself, I reckon a two-state solution would be

a best choice for north cyprus but mark it's not up to me!



I can see where trnc vaughan is coming from with 20%

or slimmer but why not compromise and since brussels

beauracrats rant about this subject, call it "fatcat slim"



rowlo



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Message Posted:
24/05/2011 22:35

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no murderers should have the right to judge anything . let them go back to greece ? the greeks dont even want them , they are nomads wandering around the island in tatters , hoping someone is gonna say this is yours ? but for every greek theres also a turk ? LONG LIVE KKTC .



Troodo


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24/05/2011 22:53

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With the GCs demanding all so-called GC land be given back, thus making a federation null and void and the demand that TCs never exceed 20% of the islands population (will it be mass sterilisation or the gas ovens?) I think 20% chance is a might optimistic.



Salamisboy


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 00:08

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Well, imo, Alexander Downer is the most paraded spokesman who never has anything useful to say. I guess the most revealing thing he has uttered was his recent comment that it is unlikely that the two sides will reach an agreement before the end of this year! Neither side are bringing 'goodwill' to the table.



TRNC appear not to have the balls to elect radicals who will stand up to Ankara and ROC seem to sublimely forget that it was their servility to their buddy Greek Generals that started this whole bloody mess and appear to be unaware of the facts life - namely, if you pick and fight and lose, you do not get to dictate settlement terms!.



Eu has much to answer for, to allow accession of ROC solely to EU membership after the Annan Referendum result was unbelievable, then to promise rewards to TRNC which were never forthcoming was a cowardly submission to the ROC lobby. Partition looks the only realistic solution but for TRNC it will continue to be a rocky ride whatever happens.



rowlo



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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 00:26

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cut the ropes and let the roc slide into oblivion , forget the do good brigade on here , if it was vice versa they would be on the side of the turks , back stabbing ,two faced *******s, LONG LIVE KKTC .



Zoots


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Message Posted:
25/05/2011 11:21

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rowlo,



You're my besht mate.



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