Comedy borderlines?

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 20:41

Iis there a borderline for comedy? Are the recent obscene remarks made by Russell Brand and Jonathan Ross acceptable as humour?

I don't think so. I think they should both be sacked.

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
28/10/2008 20:51

Wossy not for me thanks, Over hyped, over rated and definatly over paid.

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 21:01

Hi Wyn, the 'murder' of the Brazilian guy was a sorry state of affairs.

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 21:17

Hi Wyn, the 'murder' of the Brazilian guy was a sorry state of affairs.

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 21:24

no1doyen

Just heard on the 6.00 BBC news that no action is to be taken over these 2 morons. Who accused the BBC of "Dumbing Down"? I wonder whether Wossie would have thought it so funny if Brand had broadcast that he had slept with one of his daughters? I'm not insinuating that he has, by the way!

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 21:25

No!Doyen,



Tell his family about it! __it happens. The poor policeman who you rightly say appologised

(and broke down in the witness box) What more could he do? Perhaps others faced with the responsibility, and the dilemma, would have acted differently.



There but for the grace of God................ but there again. Theres always one.....................................after the event!



wynyardman.

fredred


Joined: 09/12/2007
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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 21:46

They are both over paid, foul mouth yobs, who should be sacked immediately.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 21:52

Fredred,



Spoken like a true leftie. Do you watch them? Bring back the ducking stool, I say!



wyn

icklepix


Joined: 23/10/2008
Posts: 194

Message Posted:
28/10/2008 21:59

i'm sick of hearing about russell brand and jonathan ross on the news, its all over the bloomin place in the UK, as much as i love Russell Brand(the man is a legend) and hate Jonathan Ross they were wrong to say what they did but sacking them or sending them to jail(as mentioned in the mail) is a bit ott, what i fail to understand is that we have the likes of Pete Docherty and Amy Winehouse permantley off their faces on coke etc yet they never go to jail or seem to get any form of sentence yet someone says something wrong and all hell breaks lose, if you dont like what you hear switch off the radio, same as with the tele. I dont like casualty but u dont see me ringing up complaining about the content i just dont watch it - Simple huh, I'm sure many of you will disagree with me but thats just what makes me cross about england we are all to bloomin easily offended - chill out england and concentrate on the stuff that matters!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 22:09

if you dont like what you hear switch off the radio.....



Too late after they had already made the fould mouth remarks. A bit like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Regarding Pete Docherty - he spent two weeks in prison a couple of years ago - fat lot of good that done him.



Hit them in their pockets, sack the pair of them - now!

icklepix


Joined: 23/10/2008
Posts: 194

Message Posted:
28/10/2008 22:14

oooh 2 weeks gosh didnt that serve him well!!! 2 weeks out of all those times he got arrested for possession etc he's a bigger waste of space than anyone. i doubt very much it would hit them in their pockets especially jonathan ross i reckon he only does radio 2 for something to do in his spare time!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 22:21

The straight and narrow path would be wider if more people used it!

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 22:24

As usual...to the point!



wyn

stewy


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Message Posted:
28/10/2008 23:54

Pete rocks.

joandjelly


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Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
29/10/2008 11:03

I wonder how many other great musicians in the 60's and 70's were permanently off their faces on the fashionable drug of the day? I don't think many of them were thrown in jail but then the media was a very different animal in those days. Nowadays, those old junkies are inducted into the rock n roll hall of fame!



Pete Docherty and Amy Winehouse are both very talented. It's a shame they cannot overcome their demons.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
29/10/2008 11:11

Too many freaks, not enough circuses.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
29/10/2008 13:47

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7696714.stm



Ross and Brand have been suspended by the BBC pending an investigation.



Bet Wossy still picks up his £300 k per week tho!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
29/10/2008 14:10

Bet Wossy still picks up his £300 k per week tho! ..........................



Not for much longer I hope.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
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Message Posted:
29/10/2008 14:31

Norme No1 but even if they sack him I reckon he'll get a nice bit of dosh to go quietly (for once in his life!!)

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
29/10/2008 15:32

Could be Wilts Girl - a nice fat golden goodbye

PtePike



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Message Posted:
29/10/2008 16:56

Where I come from their actions could be construed as a breach of the peace and possible contravention of the telecommunications laws. It's creepy stalking for sure and both make a good job of looking like deviants.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
29/10/2008 17:02

Has anyone actually heard it?



I watched it on you tube last night and its pretty offensive, poor Mr Sachs to have to listen to it.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
29/10/2008 17:05

No, I haven't heard it.

TimothyCadman


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Message Posted:
29/10/2008 20:49

As of 6pm GMT it was announced that Russell Brand has resigned his postion at Radio 2.



Jonathan is still suspended from TV and Radio till a full investigation is complete.

no1doyen


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Message Posted:
29/10/2008 22:48

He should be a man and resign too. He won't though because he likes the colour of money.

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
29/10/2008 22:51

Only times I have heard Brand I thought he was a loud mouthed, uneducated idiot and certainly could not understand his presence on BBC Radio.



Ross I have seen and heard over many years and at first was not impressed with him. However the Boss liked him and I had to watch and listen to him in his various guises. In last few years I have got used to him and he can be a very funny man who has a lot of the B & C celebrity list beg to be on his shows.



I have not heard the broadcast involved in this debacle but from what has been placed in the general news it must be extremely distressing for Mr Sachs and his family.



Has Brand fallen on his sword because he was the instigator of this stupidity? From what I have heard from him in the past this seems likely. If not then I hope Ross has the decency to follow and pass on any payment he receives for signing off to Children in Need.

teatime


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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 11:35

Sach's grandaughter was so upset by this, she has sold her story to the Sun!!

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 13:37

Teatime,



It's always the way, eh? Does she regret s***ing Brand? Probably not. The publicity is unlikely to have done her or granddad any harm.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 14:12

A radio presenter remarked that Jonathan Ross used to be known

for his inability to pronounce the 'r' letter. Now he is famous for using

the 'f' letter so much. A further example of falling standards in BBC output.

I can't imagine how it was passed for broadcast.

Not good enough. Brand at least went up a bit in my estimation with his

apology, but think they are both not worth spending our licence money on.

I do not agree that they are so talented as some tell us.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 14:42

"I do not agree that they are so talented as some tell us."



Mostly themselves and the BBC!!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 15:26

PP. You may be wrong about the publicity not doing them any harm. After making comments like listing her favourite sport as a pole dancer and "I like to party... " and as far as being part of a "burlesque dance group Satanic Sluts Extreme" - the newspapers will start having a field day soon.,....

jamesb


Joined: 07/02/2007
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 16:28

Totally over the top hype - Funny how originally there was 1000 complaints made to the BBc the day after it broadcast the clip, but now nearly a week later the BBC recieved 4000 complaints in the last 24 hours. She's so upset that she's selling her story to the sun, (as quoted above) I would have thought the best course of action would be to let the whole thing die down.

How many people who are outraged have also laughed at Chubby brown (not my cup of tea), Bernard Manning, the have i got news for you team, even Ricky Gervais making jokes of Stephen Hawkins american accent (even though he comes from Kent or somewhere close).

How many of the outraged have recieved and forwarded bad taste, personel jokes/texts.



People in glass houses shouldn't through stones.



JB

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 17:03

Doyen,



All the more reason for the publicity not doing her any harm. You've no idea the lengths some people go to with the media to get a plug. Many's the slap up meal and sunny holiday Mr and Mrs Pike have enjoyed on that basis over the years. Mind you, they get a bit annoyed when you don't kiss their ***** in your write-up. If you actually do one, that is.

Littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 17:05

Gross misconduct , making an obscene phone call saked and prosecyed , the producer sould also be fired.

JamesB


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Posts: 450

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 17:08

Bit OTT Nig, were you listening to the show?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 17:44

PP. Good for you.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 17:53

It has been in the media, I have listened to qand read transcipts of the show and at least 1 criminal offence has been commited.



The producer was or should have been aware of this and pulled the show, there fore he failed in his job,



As for the other 2 well I would not pay them with washers but since they have broken the law and used bbc time and phones to do so then this could and should be viewed as gross misconduct.

JamesB


Joined: 07/02/2007
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 18:34

Nige, did you read my comments in 32.

What is humour? its not black an white, its not an excact science, theres no line in the sand. I did hear the show via the podcast, and I have to say I did laugh. When someone tells you something funny you do not analize it and do a risk assesment to make sure no creed, colour, age could be offended by the comment or your reaction. Thats the trouble these days everythings too pc. They upset some people, appologised, move on.

Nobody died.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 18:43

Msg 38: "...you do not analize it..."



If Brand had told the voicemail he'd done that as well, it would have been a bit much.

JamesB


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Posts: 450

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 18:57

quite right - nice one pp

Littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:03

James it is nothing todo with being pc.



2.Section 43 Telecommunications Act 1984

(1) A person who -



a) sending a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character,



shall be guilty of an offence and liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both.



I would say that any one phoning the grant parent of a girl sing and shouting they have had sex ( f####d ) the persons grandaughter is both grossly offensive & obscene .



But if you think that is ok your morals are not like mine .



Irest on this one the law is quite clear.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:08

It was just loudmouthed claptrap.



People just walk away from it!



wyn

JamesB


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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:15

Nig, why haven't they been charged then? After 24000 complaints I'd have thought they'd be inside by now.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:22

Over 30,000 complaints now. How many heard the broadcast?



People just love it! Wingeing brits. They just love it! DESTROY!



wyn

JamesB


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Posts: 450

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:23

Nig, you make her sound like an innocent teenager. She's a provocative dancer In a group called the satanic sluts that's so upset about her Grandfather that's she's selling her story to the Sun.

Hello.

JamesB


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Posts: 450

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:25

I agree Wyn. Band wagon jumping methinks.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:30

Complaints soar to more than 30,000 as BBC Trust holds emergency meeting

Jonathan Ross's future hangs in the balance after Russell Brand quits over affair

BBC faces civil war as Radio 2 controller threatens to quit if her staff are 'scapegoated'



Stars line up to attack Brand and Ross's lewd 'prank'



Radio 2 boss threatens to quit over obscene phone scandal as BBC teeters on the brink of civil war ...............



All could face disciplinary action - especially programme producer Nic Philps, 25, who claimed Mr Sachs had agreed to the calls being broadcast as long as they were toned down.



The station's head of compliance, Dave Barber, who is supposed to stop programmes breaching guidelines on taste and decency, is also in the frame.



Lest we forget: Or what the BBC won't let you hear



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081663/Lest-forget-Or-BBC-wont-let-hear.html

jamesb


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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:44

Why stop there Nige, lets have them hung drawn a quartered, and thrashed within an inch of there life, that'll teach them!



What makes you laugh Nige?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:53

"...especially programme producer Nic Philps, 25..."



I think sending boys to do a man's (or woman's) job may be at the root of the problem. How much judgement and experience can you possibly have at 25, assuming he was at university or training between ages 18-22?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:55

Tin bath, whippet in string vest and a few years down t'pit would have grown him up a bit. Just like what nearly happened to Parky.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
30/10/2008 19:58

Its all about cash. Stop biting.............its your cash!



wyn

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
30/10/2008 20:25

Sorry,



That was an assumption. It is license payers cash. I should have said mine!



wyn