FISH: Turkish/English names and when to eat them

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
20/06/2011 21:06

Here's a list of fish (some are for sale in Northern Cyprus or can be ordered in restaurants) caught in the Mediterranean, Bosphorus, Black Sea, Aegean Sea and Sea of Marmara) - and the best time of the year to eat them (under construction).

▶ [ http://is.gd/swiXBl/keywords_turkish_english_fish_names ].

dippersgirl



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Message Posted:
20/06/2011 22:25

I really like this!!!

Karanfil


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Message Posted:
20/06/2011 22:41

Thank you Hans - this is really useful. Our next door neighbour is a fisherman and we are frequently invited to eat at his house. We sometimes have trouble working out the English name for what we are eating - although I have to say that everything tastes good!

Clarissa2


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Message Posted:
20/06/2011 22:56

Re : Msg1,

I always struggle in fish restaurants with the names.

Thank you. Very useful.

Do you have by any chance the names of fish in German please?

medoc


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Message Posted:
20/06/2011 23:15

DC, many thanks, was looking for that since a long time.

Lambousa Gordon


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Message Posted:
20/06/2011 23:34

Nice one Hans

martinD41


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Message Posted:
20/06/2011 23:40

Which "SEA" are the Rainbow Trout from,I don't know of any "Fresh Water Sea's" obviously you are no fly fisherman...

DutchCrusader



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21/06/2011 08:13

@ msg 7, martinD41: (...) Which "SEA" are the Rainbow Trout from,I don't know of any "Fresh Water Sea's" obviously you are no fly fisherman... (...)

▶ Sorry to tell you, but you are wrong twice.

1 : There are and I know several "seas" in Europe where 'typical' fresh water species live happily in salt water - and where I often caught them. Example: pike (Finnish: hauki, living on the small Baltic herring), living in the Baltic Sea, abundant around the Swedish Aland Archipelago (between Sweden and Finland). Other popular fish able to live in salt and fresh water: salmon, sea trout and eels (this list is not complete). Rainbow trout is a close relative to salmon, so I'm not amazed that they are also caught in sea water.

2 : I am also a fly fisherman, although I prefer to fish for big pike with life bait - in Holland we have no species worth to use a fly rod and you can't walk in our muddy or deep waterways. I've been in several

[ continued ]

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 08:20

[ CONTINUED FROM MSG 8]



several countries to flyfish for salmon and sea trout: Sweden, Norway, Scotland and my favourite: Ireland (Connemara). Unfortunately I've never been able to hire the expensive, best beats - although as a journalist/guest of the Irish Tourist Board and Air Lingus I've nothing to complain about my fly fishing days in the Republic of Ireland. And I won't forget my pike fishing days in Northern Ireland/Ulster (hope I'm not offending any Irish friend) either. Good memories!

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 08:48

I question Sarikuyruk for Greater Amberjack, especially as it is a very different fish from the Horse Mackerel. I have always known it called Mineri in Cyprus.



Can I suggest adding the Dolphin (I don't know the local name) - frequently caught locally and delicious.



You may find some useful data on Fishbase.org (select Cyprus and Marine).

martinD41


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 09:00

Dc ,,thanks for the correction.............................. you say you like Pike fishing,have you ever been to Canada to fish for "Muskies"?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 09:37

@ msg 4, Clarissa2: the German names: at the moment I didn't look for them, but it must be easy to find them (I think) on the Internet having now the translations from Turkish into English.

▶ [ http://is.gd/swiXBl/keywords_turkish_english_fish_names ].



@ msg 10, Jovial_John: Sarikuyruk: 1 : I'll try to check. Or to make it easier: is there any Cypriot Turkish reader who can answer JJ's question? Would there be fish names only or differently used in Cypriot Turkish?

2 : Dolphin: I've not seen them for sale yet in TRNC! (I know they are an endangered species in the Med, but that's not the point in this thread). Any CT reader who can give the Turkish name for dolphin?



@ msg 11, martinD41: I fished in several states of the USA, but never fished in Canada. I know from Dutch friends I missed a great opportunity! But you can't have it all, can you..?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 09:58

@ msg 10 & 12, Jovial_John: I've updated the web page with Dolphin = Yunusbalıgı (says my Dutch-Turkish dictionary). But I may stand to be corrected!

▶ [ http://is.gd/swiXBl/keywords_turkish_english_fish_names ].

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 10:02

DC

By Dolphin I mean the fish - not the mammal.

There is a biggish (up to 50lbs) game fish called variously dolphin, dorado. spanish mackerel and mahi mahi in different parts of the world. I have caught it here in the Med where I believe it is called dorado and also in the Arabian Gulf and the Seychelles. But there is a different fish that the locals call dolphin - again I have caught several here and it is delicious to eat. I caught a couple while out with Barabas. We had a long argument about the name because I knew 'dolphin' as an alternate name for dorado - but he was adamant and unfortunately didn't know it by any other name to help me identify it.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 10:11

From my archive, especially for martinD41 :

▶ [ http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/keywords_aland_archipelago_1978_HD_baltic_pike_72.jpg ].

Caption: Hans Doeleman, editor of the Dutch magazine "Hengelsport" (1,4 million copies monthly), fishing for Baltic pike from one of the thousands of islands of the Swedish Aland Archipelago (1978).

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 10:26

@ msg 14, Jovial_John: Sorry, I've misunderstood you! Just found in "McClane's New Standard Fishing Encyclopedia and International Angling Guide" how many fish ((not belonging to the mammalian order of whales (Cetacea)) are called (xxx Dolphin xxx)! By the way: Mahi-Mahi is the Hawaiian name for Dolphin ("McClane's").

Well, this is getting more and more confusing - no wonder with more than 25,000 fish species and more than 200,000 (local) names...

WHAT IS THE TURKISH NAME FOR THE FISH JJ IS REFERRING TO..?! (Msg 14).

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 10:28

@ msg 15 (sorry, martinD41):

WRONG: ▶ [ http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/keywords_aland_archipelago_1978_HD_baltic_pike_72.jpg ].

RIGHT: ▶ [ http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/aland_archipelago_1978_HD_pike_72.jpg ].

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 10:31

Where do the readers of this thread live or use their computer:

▶ [ http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/keywords_aland_archipelago_1978_HD_baltic_pike_72.jpg ].

here:

▶ [ http://is.gd/stats.php?url=swiXBl ].

martinD41


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 10:33

Thanks DC...I wish the TRNC had good fishing.:(

vonny


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 10:55

Thank you DC for the link,ive always enjoyed eating Chipura,but never quite knew what it was. i also like wopper,do you or anyone else know what that is in English ?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:10

@ msg 20, vonny: (...) wopper, do you or anyone else know what that is in English? (...)

▶ I can't find "wopper" - do you possibly mean "voppa" ((for sale in TRNC at the Hür Deniz ("Free Sea") shops))?

vonny


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:11

yes,sorry, it is voppa

basil


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:13

I used to quite enjoy baiting Pikey.



Is there a list of his many names as well?

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:15

Voppa is blue whiting.

vonny


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:15

thats probably why i couldnt find it on the list,as i was looking up the wrong spelling. i see it now,but it didnt give the english name,sorry

basil


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:20

Dolphin is Yunus, a fairly common first name.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:20

@ msg 24, Pugwash: Thank you, Pugwash, the web page is now updated with your info.

▶ [ http://is.gd/swiXBl/keywords_turkish_english_fish_names ].

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:22

@ msg 25, vonny: You are typing faster on C44 than I can update the web page... Done now:

▶ [ http://is.gd/swiXBl/keywords_turkish_english_fish_names ].

vonny


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:26

Thank you Dc and pugwash

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 11:29

DC, vonny you are welcome and may be interested in these documents,



http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/veterinary/issues/vet-01-25-2/vet-25-2-3-9909-13.pdf



http://www.ijar.lit.az/pdf/10/2011(10-149).pdf

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 12:07

@ msg 30, Pugwash: Thank you, I'll add these and other links to the web page.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 18:16

The relevant content of this thread has been added to the "overview" web page:

▶ [ http://www.allcrusades.com/CD/index_2.html ].



A direct link to the "Fish etc" web page here:

▶ [ http://is.gd/swiXBl/keywords_turkish_english_fish_names ].

suehowlittle


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Message Posted:
21/06/2011 22:46

My husband a keen fisherman, who is going fishing on Sunday with a Turkish (Trabzon) neighbour who is a fishing freak thanks you from the bottom of his heart. Cemal's English is as poor as Howard's Turkish but if they can do fish names they are going to be very happy.



By the way Cemal caught a 25kg Grouper (Orfus baligi) last year so Howard has some way to go to 'prove' himself as he has only ever caught little Amberjacks and what looked like needle fish or perhaps baby barracuda???



They told me to have ekmek, salad and chips ready for their return with the fish and I told them that I would buy some Peynir just in case they returned without the fish. That went down like a lead balloon lol.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 09:00

I've added (and uploaded) several interesting links to the "Fish" web page (thank you Jovial_John and Pugwash).

The relevant content of this thread has been added to the "overview" web page:

▶ [ http://www.allcrusades.com/CD/index_2.html ].

A direct link to the "Fish etc" web page here:

▶ [ http://is.gd/swiXBl/keywords_turkish_english_fish_names ].



Any more suggestions or tips?

xyq2011


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 09:45

Thanks. It sounds interesting. Good day!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 09:50

@ msg 10, Jovial_John: (...) the Dolphin (I don't know the local name) - frequently caught locally and delicious. (...)

▶ Do you happen to have a picture? If so: can you email it to me: hansdoeleman@allcrusades.com - so I can show it to one or more Cypriot Turkish friends to identify the fish and the right name.

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 10:13

Is this what you are talking about, it mentions Mahi Mahi:



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/29587.asp

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 10:42

@ msg 37, dalartokat: Thanks! The link found in your C44 link is added to the web page.

▶ [ http://is.gd/swiXBl/keywords_turkish_english_fish_names_and_best_season_plus_links ].

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 10:50

DC



I have emailed you - too much for a post.

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 11:03

Message 37



I know the dolphin, dorado, mahi mahi - I have caught many around the world incuding a 25 pounder here. The fish thay call dolphin here is not the same. My only proviso is that the dolphin I have caught here are quite small, 1 or 2 lbs, and just maybe they are immature dorado - but they are only vaguely the shape and certainly not the spectacular colouring of the dorado.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 11:44

@ msg 9, Jovial_John: Thanks for your email. You are right: swordfish (available on the menu of good fish restaurants in TRNC) was missing on the list of the web page. Are they caught in the (Eastern) Mediterranean or direct surroundings?

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 12:11

When I was in Paphos in 1980, a watched a local boat land 4 of them - the biggest I would estimate at 150lbs. Of course much has changed in the Eastern Med as the impact of the Aswan dam and the large number of Japanese fishing boats have gradually diminished the ecology. But I guess they are still around as they were mentioned in last year's report on the decline in the Med of the bluefin tuna.

Jovial_John


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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 13:27

I searched Fishbase using Turkey/Marine and the right hand column gives the Turkish name for many of the fish - for example Swordfish is given as "Kılıç balığı". I suspect that the local name for many of these is actually the Turkish name rather than the Cypriot name and that they are all called something else in the South. If nothing else, where the Turkish name coincides with the name you have already identified, you can copy the true Turkish spelling - accents and all.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 13:54

@ msg 43, Jovial_John: Thanks for your fine help!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
22/06/2011 14:10

@ msg 43, JJ: (...) you can copy the true Turkish spelling - accents and all. (...)



Unfortunately not, John! :-( See my explanation (text in red in the middle of the web page).

▶ [ http://is.gd/swiXBl/keywords_turkish_english_fish_names_and_best_season_plus_links ].