What is them mountain range in North Cyprus called?

BeeKeeper


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 11:39

Specifically, the ones which go from Karsayaka to Kayalar and beyond. I thought they were the Besparmak, but have been told I am wrong.



Thanks in advance!

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 11:48

Technically I think it is the Kyrenia range of which Bespermark is a part.

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 11:56

Kate Msg 2 - I think you are correct (Besparmak being the mountain also known as the five finger mountain) Hans as a cartographer might have the correct answer but it might be a geologist that you need.

mikelapta



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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 11:58

Besparmak is the little mountain if you take the mountain road to Ercan.....lok and you can see "Five fingers",the meaning of "Besparmak".



Yes the whole range is called Kyrenia mountain

gelin70


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 12:12

The Kyrenia mountain range is a long, narrow chain of mountains that runs approximately 160 km (100 mi) along the north coast of Cyprus. The mountains are primarily limestone, with some marble. The highest mountain, Kyparissovouno, is 1,024 m (3,360 ft) in elevation. The western half of the range is also known as the Pentadactylos. Pentadactylos is also sometimes used synonymously with "Kyrenia mountains" to refer to the entire range.



From wikipedia

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 12:14

I have just heard a story from Hans on this very subject:



Here's the true story about the Five-fingers-mountain: Long ago there lived a giant in Turkey. One day he had to do some business in Egypt. He jumped to Cyprus and there put his hand down for the next jump to Egypt. Thats how the mountain was formed...

numbers


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 12:21

I was told many years ago that the big peak in Karsiyaka is called "Kornos" mountain.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 12:22

There are several stories about this,



The Byzantine hero named Dighenis jumped on the island of Cyprus from Asia Minor in order to escape the Arabs, and in doing so, leaving the markings of his fingers on the Kyrenia Mountains, known as Beşparmak Mountains by the Turkish Cypriot



or



One tells the story of a conceited villager who fell in love with the local queen and asked for her hand in marriage. The queen wished to be rid of the impertinent young man and requested that he bring her some water from the spring of St Andreas monastery in the Karpas.



This was a peilous journey in those days. The man set off and after several weeks returned with a skinfull of that precious water. The queen was most dismayed to see that he had succeeded, but still refused to marry him. In a fit of rage, he poured the water on to the earth, seized a handful of the resulting mud and threw it at the queens head.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 12:28

Or a different take on the first one,



Tradition has it that Digenis Akritas's hand gripped the mountain to get out of the sea when he came to free Cyprus from its Saracen invaders, and this is his handprint. (He also threw a large rock across Cyprus to get at the Saracen ships. That rock landed in Paphos at the site of the birthplace of Aphrodite, thus known to this day as Petra Tou Romiou or "Rock of the Greek".

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 12:33

Sorry the end of the second myth is missing, it should finish,



She ducked and the lump of mud sailed far across the plain to land on top of the Kyrenia mountain range, where it is to this day, still showing the impression of the thwarted villager’s five fingers.

bigOz


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 12:37

As someone who was born & grew up here, I concur with "mikelapta". The actual "beşparmak" meaning five fingers is the name of the single protrusion in the shape of five fingers (forces of nature have now turned it into 6 fingers!), on your way to Ercan through the pass East of Çatalköy

A very mystical mountain that always gets me excited when traveling that way. If you watch it more carefully as you approach the peak, you will see it unveil itself from a very narrow protrusion into a Cinema scope version of a wide mountain made up of 5 peaks (6 if you like!). This is due to the angle of approach from West towards South as you climb up the the crossing. Turkish Cypriots call it "Beşparmak Tepesi" meaning Beşparmak Hill

The actual Kyrenia Mountains were always referred to as "Kyrenia Range" by the British or English books, because of their "ridge" shape - but the Turkish Cypriots always referred to them as Beşparmak Dağları or "Beşparmaklar" for short

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 15:47

This thread looks like being without the usual C44-idiots. What a relief.



@ msg 11, bigOz: (...) on your way to Ercan through the pass East of Çatalköy (...)



Ah! BigOz: What is very special about this road..?!

Jetski


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 16:04

Beekeeper.... the above are correct. The range is the Kyrenia range and at the Kayalar end the range geologically 'ends' (at least terrestrially) where it enters the sea near horseshoe bay. Actually at the bay a little further on where the church of Ayios Georgos is on the beach. The whole range was formed by uplift as the African and Eurasian plates began to collide millions of years ago. If interested there's an article on this subject in a back copy of 'Living' magazine I wrote a couple of years ago - I've the original article if interested.

shaz1


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 17:23

Now do you believe me???lol

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 18:27

@ msg 13, Jetski: (...) I've the original article if interested. (...)

▶ I would very much appreciate to read the article you mention. Can you email it (PDF, Word or whatever format) to mcf.trnc@gmail.com or hansdoeleman@allcrusades.com ? Thank you very much.

ivebinad


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 18:40

shaz what are we supposed to believe ? I may have an idea though.

manasas


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 18:49

what is Karsayaka????the name its mogolian??

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 19:19

@ msg 17, FIRST TIME POSTER "Manasa": (...) what is Karsayaka????the name its mogolian?? (...)

▶ Please. What is your interest in this thread? Karsayaka = Karşıyaka (you may copy this name for future use - it has two Turkish letters). And no, it's not mogolian = Mongolian. It's the modern Turkish name for a village that used to be called Vasilia, until a civil war in the island changed a lot of facts.

shaz1


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 21:08

Sorry, joke with beekeeper

Jetski


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 22:18

this is the depth to which this forum has come..... populated by ignoramuses, troublemakers and downright idiots. I shan't post again for some time.

Pugwash


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 22:23

Shame, we had a really nice thread going with good information

Jetski


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 22:35

Hans....... send intelectual stuff to you? when have you ever shared the royalties? (or payed tax for that matter )

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 22:35

@ msg 20, Jetski: I have asked you politely (msg 15) to provide me with the article you offered in msg 13. Is your offer withdrawn? If so: why?!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 22:48

@ msg 23, Jetski: (...) intelectual (...)

▶ I like to read an offered article by you and... you ask to share the royalties..?! Are you sane?

Well, what can one expect from a self-styled "intelectual"? Check the spelling, you "intelectual".

Sad man.

gooligan


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 22:58

Well it started ok and then the insults start flying.



On a lighter note,the Government are considering a draft paper to rename the Beşparmak Mountains as

The Four Fingers Mountain Range due to all the quarrying going on.

Jetski


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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 23:03

Hans..... I am a completely open and straighforward person and and always willing to give educated and valid comment on most local (particularly terrestrial) issues and have qualifications behind me to prove it. You really are the most irritating and obstructive forum menber I have come across. You occasionally post jolly useful stuff but apart from these irregular contributions you have the habit of derogation, insult and downright rudeness that I will not tolerate.



Henceforth (and for some time) I shall not be contributing (as I said earlier)

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/07/2011 23:14

@ msg 26, Jetski: (...) Henceforth (and for some time) I shall not be contributing (as I said earlier) (...)

▶ Yeah, we all could read it. Not my problem.

You offered something interesting but didn't deliver - with in my opinion a very cheap excuse. It tells the whole story about you.

P.S. More than 1600 C44 readers/members asked me for the password to unlock a free, blank will (which could be downloaded from my site which I pay for) which saved them 100 Sterling. As far as I know I've replied to all the applicants. Do you really think I'm impressed by your anonymous and so often repeated 'opinion' about me?

P.P.S. Read the last line in your message 26 again. May be a problem for you.

JohnDownes


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Message Posted:
15/07/2011 00:34

I understand that the naming rights for this mountain range are available. The names Etihad, Emirates and King Power are all possible.

BeeKeeper


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Message Posted:
15/07/2011 22:31

Dear all,



Thanks very much for this.



A few points/confirmations.



I can call the mountains "The Kyrenia Range" with my English friends, and Beşparmak Dağları or "Beşparmakla" with my Turkish Cypriot friends (thanks BigOz for this).



Jetski - I'd really appreciate a copy of your article, if at all possible. Please email bookings (at) levantvillas (dot) com.



And for anyone who misunderstood Shaz1's comment, it was simply that it was that she was the person who told me I was wrong in thinking the mountains behind Kayalar were the Besparmak. I had posted a comment on our facebook page (www.facebook.com/levantvillas) showing the mountains behind Kayalar with the recent fire, and naming them as the Besparmak.



Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread & best regards,



The Beekeeper.

BeeKeeper


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Message Posted:
16/07/2011 11:15

And I have now credited you all with this information on Facebook!