TRNC businesses being bad-mouthed on Cyprus 44 - it's got to stop !

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 07:44

In the last couple of days, we have seen yet more examples of members using this forum to maliciously speculate publically about products and businesses in the TRNC and I think that this has gone far enough !

A simple forum rule will stop this dead in it's tracks - no-one should be able to post derogatory remarks about a product or, business or, maliciously speculate about the same without first, contacting the business concerened, setting out their complaint and requesting a response within 48 hours.

Then, and only then, should they be allowed to comment, publically on this forum, and they must include their email to the business and the businesses response to them in the opening message of the thread.

The recent threads have put an idea into people's minds that they will quite happily repeat in their conversations over dinner as 'gospel' and will harm the reputation of the company concerned considerably.

This has got to stop !

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:01

I agree with you completely, On no other forum would the kind of 'bitching' seen on here be tolerated. But, based on 3 years experience of this forum and the TRNC in general, I'll bet that absolutely nothing is done about it.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:04

I couldn't agree more, people shouldn't be allowed to hide behind a keyboard slagging a company off without first having all the facts. Also i think such posts should be removed from the board altogether not just closed, so that people can still read them.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:05

If the cap fits, comes to mind!!!!!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:06

AndyR and here's another thought..., maybe this is why Chris' appeal for the support of local businesses in helping to raise funds for a defibrillator on the West side of the TRNC has fallen on 'deaf' ears ?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:09

Cocklebay... if such a rule was ever introduced, I'd have to adhere also. If what you are implying was important to me, surely I wouldn't have made the suggestion in the first place ?

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:12

I have never heard such rubbish. It is a public forum and the nature of public forums is people will make comments rightly or wrongly. Can you imagine..



"Was out for a meal last night at XYZ food generally good but the soup could have been warmer" STOP STOP STOP you need to be investigated by the Cyp 44 police!



If a product is good it should stand alone and rise above any criticism, rules should not be imposed because businesses are "sensitive" to criticism.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:19

islandgirl and cocklebay for that matter - I know that you are both 'anonymous' and 'vocal' but, satisfied customers of a business haven't necessarily got the same commitment in sitting behind a keyboard 24/7 and taking every opportunity to anonymously snipe at a business. To do that, one has to be committed ! The mere suggestion that one would want to complain on Cyprus 44 about how warm soup is, is an indication of intent !

Repeated speculation from the same source shouldn't be allowed - simple, and my suggestion addresses that issue

Being sensitive to criticism has nothing to do with it - good try though, 4/10

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:30

" sitting behind a keyboard 24/7 and taking every opportunity to anonymously snipe at a business"



Do I do that no...... off to work now as it happens.



" The mere suggestion that one would want to complain on Cyprus 44 about how warm soup"........



I was using that as a basic analogy. So you are saying no comments about restaurants either.......thought police springs to mind.





"Being sensitive to criticism has nothing to do with it - good try though, 4/10" Like the 4/10 bit shows you believe no one other than yourself is allowed to comment and you like to belittle others who do.



By the way i think Dysons are rubbish much prefer a Henry myself. PUT ME IN CHAINS

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:37

Any company has to take the good, the bad and the ugly makes them more competitive and a strive to give a good service never heard anything so ridiculous that you cannot pass comment thats what makes the world go around.



So you get a rubbish service an something goes wrong - and what yuo can say nothing I thought we were in 2011 - get real



deliver a good service then you will not get bad comments

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 08:58

islandgirl...the basic point is that a business should have the right to comment/reply to a customer with a complaint before that customer is allowed to bad-mouth/present a skewed version of the facts on a public forum.

Independent commentators such as yourself (non-customers) can make enquiries of the business concerned and then (with the appropriate warning in the email) publish the reply or, a summary.

If everyone was level headed, reasonable and responsible, we wouldn't have to even consider this, but unfortunately, whilst there are those who have personal reasons/motives for attacking a businesses' product/reputation, we do have to consider this.



Sienna, your acknowledgement that a 'customers' opinion means much more than an independent commentators' opinion is music to my ears and an argument 'for' - however, I'm not sure you intended it to be that way

oliveoil


Joined: 16/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 09:05

Sienna

deliver a good service then you will not get bad comments



Oh how we wish this were true, the vindictive nature of many posters on this board knock that argument right out of the water

Enchanted


Joined: 20/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 09:34

Perhaps if a company is critisised, the regulators could and should give the business the right to reply.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 09:41

Here is some food for thought;

The contemporary torts of libel and slander, collectively known as defamation laws which are common features in the legal system of several Commonwealth countries today including the United States of America originated primarily from the English defamation law which permits an aggrieved party to initiate an action for libel for any printed, broadcast or published false statements that harm reputation, diminish respect, defame character, or cause a reasonable person to have a low esteem of that individual or entity. (copied from a recent countries lawyers in the media forum)

Does any of this seem familiar. I would suggest that at the very least, every member should show a valid e-mail address so that they can be contacted directly by the business they are unhappy with as some form of recourse. If there complaint is valid the business has the opportunity to do something about it, not really a possibility if they are anonymous.

Redwine


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 565

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 09:41

Washerman I know where you are coming from. Comments from far afield as Gloucester bad mouthing you when he doesn't even live here. Too many people on here have nothing better to do than complain.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 09:43

@ msg 10, sienna: (...) deliver a good service then you will not get bad comments (...)



▶ On this board you will. And here's my problem with the bad comments by often (almost) anonymous posters: hardly ever is there space in the posts for the view of the accused party. And that should be a BASIC rule: also hear the other side.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 09:45

Washerman, if your service delivery is good, and you have every faith in the product you sell, why are you so worried about criticism!?, either anonymous, public or personal. Get a life and get on with it!!!!

Redwine


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 565

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 09:46

Yeah but wears a bit thin everytime washerman comes on the vultures are waiting!! They must sit there 24/7 waiting for him to enter the forum

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 09:51

Cocklebay, when your business is the livelyhood for your family and children, even grand children and the comments being made are untrue it is a little more important to you than just being written on a forum.



As far as I can tell. Paul is not asking for criticism to stop, he is trying to make it possible for it to be justified before being posted on a public forum, this way the most popular expat information source in North Cyprus would have less malicious posts from anonymous members that are read by not just the members here but also can be seen many times as results for google searches.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 10:18

Message 19. Yes I accept what you are saying, but surely we leave ourselves wide open to abuse when we try to respond to these negative comments on Cyprus 44! We do not use Washermans services so we cannot comment or defend the Aldreds in anyway.

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 10:59

Some thoughtss:-

I would'nt know the email address of many companies I deal with. Some don't have email.

I have good English - many companies don't and could not reply reasonably.

Personally I would rather speak directly with somebody with whom I have a problem - but how could I prove that I have had such a conversation or what the content of that conversation was.

Several companies I have tried to contact simply don't reply (eg. Turkish Airlines).

If this applies to criticism then surely it must apply equally to praise and recommendations - it is clear that some praise given on here is from friends/family and not genuine customers.



This problem is caused by a few individuals only - we can all name them. I think that repeated criticism of this nature should earn a warning from the mods and any repetition should cause the individual's posts to be monitored before publication (I am against banning). But have the mods time and inclination for either my idea or the original sugges

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 11:01

oliveoil.



A perfect summary of what's been aloud to be published on this forum.



Constructive critisism is perfectley acceptable but a systematic attack on any business should be outlawed by the Forum.



Cocklebay,



Have you ever been on the receiving end of a personal hate campaign?

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 11:04

whoops - suggestion?

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 11:28

Washerman,



A big problem is when someone comes on here and says for example:-



"I heard a rumour that XYZ business was having financial problems" or



"I heard a rumour that XYZ business was closing"



Generally rumours are just that

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 18:14

Cocklebay...but you have used our services, we used to fix your laptop regularly - remember ?

You also invited us and we attended your Birthday party - what went wrong ? What did I say to upset you ?

Try not to be personal !

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 18:23

Message 25. quote: 'Try not to be personal!' That's a joke yes?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 18:29

No joke - irony

avraham


Joined: 28/05/2011
Posts: 17

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 18:31

Totally agree with Washerman.

There are those on here that use this forum as a means to degrade and cast dispersion against companies.The most annoying thing is, it is very very rarely substantiated by the accuser.I thought though that in one instance the Mods had acted on behalf of the victim,s (Sea Vistas ) and stopped all postings regarding the above. Therefore anyone who is been victimized has course for redress via the moderators should they wish to do so.

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:11

When KTHY went bust, I e-mailed the travel agent to ask how I stood re. my return ticket, I was in UK at the time.

I received no reply so e-mailed them again, same response, none. I asked a question on here, naming the agents. I received a reply from the agents, via e-mail, within 24 hours of my post appearing on here. They stated that as rule they didn't respond to e-mails. I wondered why their e-mail address was in their advert.

ps I still have the ticket. I called in but got no better answer to my query. Don't use them now.

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:14

Keep the forum open to all comments.

"Publish and be damned"

If it is untrue, then defend yourself.

If that fails, then sue them.

No need for intervention.

bongo5


Joined: 30/08/2011
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:19

vindictive remarks without substance equals trial by a media who set themselves up as judge jury and executioner

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:22

Ozbey...yes, let's spend our time reading CY44 to see who's independently commentating on our businesses and when someone maliciously speculates with an ulterior motive, let's run to our Advocates and waste a load of money visiting the courts.

All so that Ozbey and others can moan (freely) about cold soup.

Brilliant suggestion Ozbey. Any more golden nuggets ?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:30

Denizen, if you email a company and they do not reply after 48 hours (and you have warned them that you are going to report to CY44) - you are entitled to post the email that you sent them - simple !

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:51

Message 32 there you go again snide belittling comments as if you are the only one allowed to have an opinion!



If you want everyone to behave perhaps you ought to set a better example?

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:55

Washerman.......whats happened to FREE SPEECH!!



You are a dreamer for coming up with this, what is wrong with people making comments if they were not happy with a business?

I posted about a Bar where I received very bad aggresive service and rapid price inflation that was a BRIT BAR, so I support people who want to name and shame!



True there are people who are going OTT and being out of order but thats for the moderators to remove.



This Forum is a talking place what do you want it to be......... belonging to the 'Nanny State'!!!



I notice you are not 100% on your membership as no occupation so dont be a hypocrit!!!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:57

islandgirl...how can you be 'snide' to and 'belittle' someone who is anonymous ?

Your argument is worthless !

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:59

islandgirl, don't you think that is a just a little cheeky when you seem to snipe at others because you do not agree.

If you have a suggestion that might help, maybe not as drastic as Paul's idea of waiting 48 hours to post or as unfair as having to wait until the mods have checked every post but something that would help the businesses who are being attacked but at the same time, not be to detremental to those members who like the way things are, perhaps that might be helpful.

Lets call it a compromise to the situation that at the moment is creating friction, would that not be a way forward.

Perhaps not in your mind but this is a post for all members.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:03

ang1706...who is trying to restrict free speech ? I am not advocating that !

Read the initial post and try to understand.

Nanny state ?

Complete over-reaction to a reasonable suggestion.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:03

Washerman I choose anonymity for very good and personal reasons.



Again your opinion says it is worthless, again just because you do not like what I have to say.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:07

Don't get so upset, nobody knows who you are ! It hardly matters !

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:09

I am not upset at all, I do not think you do your cause any favours because you have to revert to the personal comments.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:10

How can I be personal to you ? Who are you ?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:11

I would love to ask, what possible reason could be so very good and personal for anonymity but still post on a public forum.

I am genuinly not trying to be nasty in any way, I have just heard that comment so many, many times and yet have never heard a trully justified reason for not having an e-mail address available for people to contact you if needed. I realise that many sites that you join will allow you to hide your e-mail address but I believe that is to stop spam being sent by forum trawlers, there is now software to protect membership forums from this happening and as a memeber with a visible e-mail on here for almost 2 1/2 years I am pretty confident this forum has that protection.

Perhaps I am being synical, but I believe that hiding an e-mail address is wrong.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:12

That would be telling!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:16

islandgirl...."That would be telling" - well, what a revelation, you just don't get it do you ?

Nothing that you post means anything, you are a nobody !

Sorry, but you made the choice.

Put your 'real' name to your posts and members may take some notice otherwise, stay in the wilderness of anonymity

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:19

Proger1....good point, if you are looking for anonymity, why post on a public forum - because 'they' have an ulterior motive, but don't want to be held responsible for the comments that they make

rembrandt


Joined: 21/08/2011
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:19

Think if you ban the criticism or postings of derogatory remarks aimed at businesses,,,Maybe c44 should also stop the businesses from free advertising they get on here,, plugging there stuff and hijacking posts,,,,,,, stating how good they are and how bad someone else is.



Kev

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:19

In your most humble opinion.



You do seem to get terribly rattled by a nobody though

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:24

rembrandt - which came first, the chicken or, the egg ?

If a business receives unjustified criticism, should they not be able to counter with adverts ?

Mostly, it's bona-fide customers who post praise and independent commentators who post criticism (I did say mostly)

Listen and give more credibility to the customers of a business, but no criticism without first, contacting the company concerned - reasonable or, not ?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:26

Perhaps if you had a business to protest and an income requirement to support your family and it was being affected by the silly comments on a forum from members who are allowed to make malicious statements whilst hiding behind anonymity, then perhaps you would understand why it is easy to get rattled.

Only my humble opinion.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:28

Malicious statements? Which malicious statements have I supposedly made?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:32

I have a possible suggestion that might catch on, or it might fail miserably but here goes.

When a derogatory comment is made about a business, before any business fights back, as this normally just creates a fight that the membership are sick of seeing (I know because I have been involved in most of them)

anyway, how about the business just reuqesting validation to eithere the negative comment or the validity of the poster.

Somehting along the lines of "Could any other member please confirm that the above statement is a common occurence within my businesses activities or at least confirm that the member who has posted is a genuine member who has been incorrectly treated by my business, because if it is true I would like to do my utmost to rectify the situation, forthwith"

It should help with customer satisfaction, or at the very least point out who is njust a malicious poster, causing trouble on what was once a very helpful forum.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:32

islandgirl.....rattled ? How ? Who are you ? You 'really' don't get it, do you ?

The anonymous comments that you post are exactly what the initial post is about - you (whoever you are) are part of the problem !

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:34

islandgirl, now you are taking it personally, I stated "if you had a business" not that you were making the malicious statement, I was referring to the fact that Paul has recieved plenty of them and therefore is protective of hi business and rattled.

Sorry for confusing you by transcribing my thoughts in the wrong way.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:35

Proger1...good suggestion and perfectly reasonable. Who could possibly disagree and why ?

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:39

Messwage 30, I agree with Ozbey. A business is not an individual and should not act subjectively to criticism. A discontented customer is subjective and bad service and products will attract subjective comment. Forum readers are not fools and will make their own minds up.

There are other ways for a busines owner to protect his/her business and to answer comments and criticism.

Should not a business be interested in criticism so that they can put issues right? As for the malicious posters one can always cut the top of their heads off and count the rings.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:39

I don't know Washerman, I am sure some people will have thier misgivings about the idea but I like to think that the forum has enough genuine members for the idea to be fine tuned.

I have to admit that posters like myself who tend to leap before we think need to drag the reigns in a little in order to ask for the confirmation but I am willing to try if only to reduce the friction I know I sometimes cause.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:41

just to be a complete prick



i watched qi the other night and neither the chicken or the egg came first the chicken evolved from another non egg laying creature.

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:42

No problem Proger1.



I have made several supportive comments on TRNC businesses

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:44

astro941....unfortunately, you have missed the point completely, most, if not all, of these comments come from independent commentators and not customers and that is the point in question

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:44

astro941 and I suppose Ozbey because it is referred to, whilst both your statements are not unreasonable in theory, it is very hard to defend yourself against someone who is anonymous and to be honest, in my opinion, if these malicious posters lost the anonymity they would not act the way they do.

It is on very rare occassions that witnesses are allowed to even make thier statements in court without appearing themselves for a very good reason, if you could make accusations and then hide whilst the authorities do thier job it would make a mockery of the system.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:46

islandgirl... what a shame that you are anonymous, the supportive comments may have done some good. You can't have it both ways !

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:46

Ste, not calling you anything but really am confused, what is qi, some sort of chinese mystical segment shown after the watershed

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:49

Why should you have to be a customer to make a comment (not a complaint). Say I make the choice to buy a Henry (vacuum cleaner) as opposed to a Dyson after looking in to the pros and cons of both and someone pops up and says "Which C}Vacuum Cleaner" Is it unreasonable for me to say I bought Henry because ......I did not buy the Dyson because.........



Please do not reply Washerman, I am nobody to you.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:53

Washerman, I will leave you to it, you don't need my interference on this one, you have a very, very good point to make and hopefully the membership will see that.

As far as I understand it, there is a good and a bad way to complain about a business and to do it on a forum that will be seen by the public who are likely to use that business without any justification whilst hiding behind the anonymity available on a forum, is the bad way. If my car is under warranty but not running as expected, I take it to the dealership, if they don't do anything about it then hold the press, I am coming through but I would still show my name and here is why, in this day and age the legal system loves a vistim because they get at least 10% of the alloted compensation. I know that is a little extreme for what people see happening here but the principle is the same.

If you really want something down about something you don't like, it is frikkin hard if you don't say who you are.

Basic logic really

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:54

Message 25!! Invited to my Birthday party!!!!? In your dreams, I have not had a Birthday Party for years. Fixed my Lap top!!!!? Wow! straws are really being clutched. Maybe Desk Top, but not you!!!!

rembrandt


Joined: 21/08/2011
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:54

Washerman,, must be the chicken, Noah had the eggs for breakfast.



I do agree, if you have a problem with a business be it a product or service speak to them to resolve it.



But businesses ( businessmen) on c44 use c44 to there advantage, by plugging there stuff all the time.



I also see your point about who is who,, but does that really matter,, all makes the forum more interesting.



Kev

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:55

Message 25!! Invited to my Birthday party!!!!? In your dreams, I have not had a Birthday Party for years. Fixed my Lap top!!!!? Wow! straws are really being clutched. Maybe Desk Top, but not you!!!!

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:55

What kind of business do your run Washerman?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 20:58

Cocklebay...Adrian, give it up, do I have to post your emails ?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:01

islandgirl...if you identify yourself, you will find that you don't have to justify your comments - set yourself free !

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:05

rembrandt...I agree, an interesting forum is appealing and I would have no problem if everyone had your honesty and integrity, unfortunately, not everyone has the same 'standards' as you and I.

Are members really able to sort the wheat from the chaff ?

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:09

astro941...a (TRNC) legal one, maybe that is the problem ?

rembrandt


Joined: 21/08/2011
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:09

Washerman.....some may post for the answer to that,,





Kev

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:11

Proger1...Paul, your sense of reasoning is a breath of fresh air, please apply to be an administrator of this forum - you'd get my vote all day long !

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:27

paul proger1



well off topic



qi is steven fry and a panel of guests trying to answer qusetions well beyond me.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:44

Mess 1



Businesses "Bad Mouthed" on Cyprus 44?! These Businesses advertise on Cyprus 44 for free? I think they should take the consequences! you can't have it all your own way! free advertising without the fallout :-(

Trotsky


Joined: 30/08/2011
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:52

Proger1...Paul, your sense of reasoning is a breath of fresh air, please apply to be an administrator of this and your own forum , who helped you set it up . washerman HYPOCRISY IN THE EXTREME

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:56

Am I right in thinking this is all about the washerman v mmmmm TV saga or is it "bigger" than that.



If one of the said parties feels he has been slandered then surely a court is best place to settle ?

Any one who comes on a free internet forum must realise that this sort of thing will happen (wrongly in my opinion) but will happen none the less.

There will always be anonymous posters and in my opinion thats how it should be,. the key to sorting this sort of thing is moderation and I rekon anyone who slanders someone anonymously should be removed at once after a complaint. However anyone who makes a statement and is not anonymous (as I think is the case here) then it surely becomes a matter between the interested parties yes/no ?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:56

Do you honestly believe that or is it just another of your victimisation posts against the country that you feel so wrongly done by.

The free information about ones business is a perk of the forum and it is a good tool for the forum owner to use as an advertising point.

The abusive comments are from people who want to see things fail in North Cyprus, after the experiences you have had and constantly share with us, I would have thought you would be against the allowance for false information being freely allowed in North Cyprus to those who would be at a loss for believing everything they see or hear.

I get the impression that you are just bitter and want to share that bitterness to feel better about yourself but I have been wrong before and I am sure I will be again.

I would like to ask though, is there anything at all you like about North Cyprus, after asll you attempted to buy property here.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:59

Trotsky, please supply whatever evidence or even suspicions that washerman had anything to do with my forum, I am sorry to tell you that there is none but then again this is perfect proof of idiotic statements made by people who think they know better creating false information that unsuspecting innocent members are decieved by.

The only assist that Washerman had with my forum is his statement at the time of "If you think you can do better, create your own bloody forum"

I am not saying that is the reason I did it, but it is the only involvement he could have possibly had because at the time I woiuld not even reply to his e-mails.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 21:59

TRNCvictim...genuine complaints from genuine customers - OK - as long as the business has been given the opportunity of 'prior' response

Try not to let your personal experience cloud your judgement. Lots of people living in the TRNC have been let down - I know that, but don't tar evryone with the same brush !

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:06

Turtle...if only everything was that simple. How can someone take someone called "Turtle" to court ?

If you want to be taken seriously, state your 'real' identity otherwise, accept that your comments are irrelevant.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:13

washerman



Would your system work the same in south cyprus.



Could i take it south and use it if i was pissed of in north cyprus.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:13

Shove it then washerman,.... continue to get bad mouthed

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:16

Turtle...thank you for highlighting the original point in question

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:16

Keep on topic , and refrain from making personal remarks , or i will close the thread

Simbas

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:27

Simbas...close the thread ? Would it not be fairer to delete the offending posts ?

paulgeordie


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1050

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:38

Washerman, I agree with your origanal posting, but there will always be the ones who want to distroy hard working people and people who work for good. Be happy being a good and Free Man!!

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:49

Well when you post my e-mails please enclose a cheque for the money that you owe me and many other unhappy customers!!!! Including the the bird poo failure!!!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:54

paulgeordie, I applaud you for a very good sentiment, the unfortunate thing about life is that all the best wishes in the world will not feed your family but the worst sentiments can and will if unkept cause them to starve.

To all the genuine members of this forum who I may have caused upset to in the past, I apologise and hope that you all will attempt to support those members who do not deserve to be criticised purely because troublemahers find it amusing to do so.

Washerman and his family do there utmost to stay legal in a country that we all know has very flexible regulations from one week to the next and support as many charitable organisations as they can but are continually harassed by people who either do not live here or like to pretend they do but will never show any evidence to prove they do, yet all they ask is a fair shake to prove that what they offer is a good product.

Be genuine and get honest results, hide and deserve to be ignored, just my honest opinion

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:57

Cocklebay (Adrian) - money that I owe you ? Laugh !

Many other unhappy customers ? Laugh !

It's so easy for unscrupulous people to lie on CY44 ! Exactly why this thread was started !

In message 68 you said:

"Message 25!! Invited to my Birthday party!!!!? In your dreams, I have not had a Birthday Party for years. Fixed my Lap top!!!!? Wow! straws are really being clutched. Maybe Desk Top, but not you!!!!"

BUT, now you have been 'outed' you seem to have changed your story.

Redwine


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 565

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:58

Paul you fall for it every time why post something thats going to stir up people, they are always ready to have a go jealous probably.

Ps.s I have lost CNN

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 22:59

washerman



Im going to buy your system soon please answer my question it does not matter if i does not work in the south.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:00

Sorry Cocklebay, maybe I got this wrong. You stated that you have never had dealings with Washerman, yet you know his family surname and expect a checque as recompense for something you must have paid for in order to claim something back, I have to admit that I have had a shot or two of vodka but this seems a little strange to me and whilst I am admitting to consuming vodka I suppose there is no loss in me saying, it sounds like a vindictive poster who just wants to pretend they are being neutral whlist abusing someone they feel hard done by, would that fit into a personal grudge comment by a poster aiming to harm a company reputation with intent to damage. I believe that was referred to earlier as libel but I have been drinking so please feel free to correct me.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:00

Remember when Ronnie was the face of TIC!!!!

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:01

Remember when Ronnie was the face of TIC!!!!

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:03

Cock ebay, here is something a little more recent and a great deal more relevant, remember what you posted in message 20

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:04

redwine...existing customers first, next time we are up in Esentepe, we'll come and retune your receiver to receive CNN

stelee77, forgive me if I don't answer, but it's not the reason that this thread was started. You can email me on paul(at)northcypruz.com

Redwine


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 565

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:04

Thanks Paul see you at Tumba

Redwine


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 565

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:06

I am existing customer aren't I?

paulgeordie


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1050

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:06

Thank You, Paul. I just hope the conspiretor theolergests dont think its a Paul thing. Ho HO



Sorry about the spealing, its that time of night.

Redwine


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 565

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:07

maybe I can retune System fine other than that - satisfied

Redwine


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 565

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:08

I meant I am satified with system

Whats wrong wioth everyone! Let them go Paul and close this thread

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:09

Cocklebay (Adrian)...feel free to embarass yourself further and in doing so, further helping me to re-inforce the original point of this thread !

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:12

stelee. I have tried to answer your post in the other post you have begun but I am just an ametuer in this service, washerman is much more knowledgable, you should direct mail him.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:22

Re Message 92 Not really addressed is it Paul? Truth will happen very soon!!! Yes I am Angry with you, but I did not iniated the original thread!!

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:24

Oh by the way I now have Citzenship, do not need a work permit, and we both live happily here in the KKTC!!!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:25

Adrian, do you not realise how silly you look, especially after message 20. Your credibility is zero, but at least now, people know who you really are !

babydoll


Joined: 27/07/2011
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:27

I know this is a bit of topic but proger1 & washerman should win a prize for diarrhea of the keyboard

bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 23:28

This thread is now closed. Reason: Not specified.