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fazo1


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hi i am a airconditioning engineer looking for work in trnc i can suply anf install at good prices and sevice afterwords also fault find probs if any one needs me you can call me on 05428853211







24000btu aux unit fitted 500



lg artcool 2 month old 400 fitted



if any one is intrested call my mobile no



i service 2 units with gas if needed for 90ytl



InTheDogHouse



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How much would you charge to move an a/c unit from one house to another?

Lapta to Lapta (nr JK's).

Drilling of wall at new house and patching/making good wall at old house, etc, etc.



fazo1


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hello in the dog house if it is a 12000 btu it will cost 125 if it is a 18/24000 btu 165 as i have to pay labourer this will cover plastering and wall ankers for bracketsand new lagin on pipe work and new pipe if needed call me on 05428853211



ie this is like 2 installs as you have to be more cearfall takeing old unit out .



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Got our air con from Arcelik fitted for 375 in July. 1800 btu more than adequate for large open plan lounge, diner, kitchen and good heater as well. The most environmental type and therefore cheaper to run. Fitted in one hour day after purchase. Excellent service from Tercan. Also have the no: of engineer who was going to move it for us when we move but did not get a price at the time so you would need to ring him for a quote. May be best to compare prices. His name is Ergin on 05338608956. Landlord has bought our unit now so have no need for his removable service.



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Hi Mitsi,



Any 18,000Btu unit that you can buy from Arcelik for 375, fitted, isn't "The most environmental type.." as it will certainly:



Not be inverter driven, and therefore not "cheaper to run".



Run on R22 ozone depleting HCFC refrigerant, which has been phased out by most EU countries and no longer used by most leading manufacturers, and therefore not environmentally friendly.



fazo1


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most environmental i dont think with r22 and arcelik dont do inverters which are the less cost afective also you may get a cheaper price but they will fit it where they think it will be easyer i fit where you will get the best out the unit not in corners thanks vaughan. buy cheap get crap because when gas is gone the moaning will start because they have to buy new units with r410/r407



fazo1


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This is what i am saying in my last post if you have read it mackaozy they will end up replacing with r410 or r407 then thay will be moaning you can not buy r22 units in the uk no more and all brewerys have been given dates for 22 faze out and to have there equipment changed so i think i do have a clue m8



fazo1


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Wall Mounted DC INVERTER



Standard air conditioners have a fixed speed compressor so is unable to vary the load. With a D.C. Invertor drive, the unit can work on a partial load reducing power comsuption both on start up and running costs. With D.C. Invertor technology the temperature does not flutuate so will provide more comfort. Enery consumption can be reduced by as much as 44% compared to fixed speed compressors.



fazo1


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are you a fridge or ac engineer mackaozy



kibsolar


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ok, nice...

two guys who know whats on...

i have questions:

this mentioned cheap 18000 btu arcelik for 375 stg (lets say 75 for fitting = 300), what you would gues/know what kind of CPO it has?

what a COP a good inverter one would have?

how much a good 18000 inverter one would cost?

from june to september such an aircondi runs between 3 and 8 hrs a day, say 6 and this for 30 days a month and for at least 3 month.

sometimes for heating in the winter as well.

when the payback comes? is the lifetime of a good aircondi not at least 10 years and a cheap one XX? years?

isnt "cheap" buying again "expensive"?



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we have done it from ou apt to our house and toros - girne -send very competent people to do it it cost us 100 YTL very clean work and they clean the dust in the house after checking the device -



fazo1


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price for 12000 btu fujicool is 315 pounds fitted with wall breakets etc



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fazo1



Hi where ae you situated?



Interested in prices.sizes and info on air con units

Sassy



fazo1


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hi i am i chatalkoy by the fez



fazo1


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hi i am i chatalkoy by the fez or call me 05428853211



kibsolar


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hi fazo1, mackazozy, vaughan?



please someone willing to answer my questions msg 15?



last year an "energy efficiency organisation" opened in cyprus, they are working on the subject "reducing energy needs in the trnc" to implement energy awareness and future orientated installations, that means "QUALITY".



thanks, Peter



fazo1


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yes we do need quality installations hear this is what i hope i do. The other way is to fit inverter system inwhich are very energy efficient. If the indoor unit is fitted in the right place it will cool the room a lot faster than in a corner of the room where you hardly feel the benefit of the unit as it will take longer to circulate.



TRNCVaughan


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Hi Peter,



CoP (co-efficient of performance) is a measure of Watts of heating/cooling produced versus Watts of energy consumed to do the work. An efficient system can have a CoP of 4:1 i.e it consumes 1Watt of power to do 4Watts of work.

Inverter driven a/c units may only use up to 1/6th of the total running cost of a non-inverter system as a DC motor is far more efficient under part load than an AC fixed speed motor at full speed. Therefore the energy saving is made by the inverter unit slowing the compressor motor down rather than the stop/start of a non-inverter motor. Payback will be determined by running hours/cost of electricity and correct sizing is critical to prevent the inverter unit running flat out all the time where energy savings are minimal. We can easily expect a top brand Japanese inverter unit to last for 10's of years. Cheap units have a lifespan determined by poor Quality Control. I have known units here to last a few years having only had a few weeks of running



fazo1


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hi been in to tercan today found that it is 455 for a 18000btu fitted i charge 450 with a better unit



kibsolar


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hi fazo1, iam still waiting for some answeres of my msg 15....yours was a little weak...sorry.



hi Vaughan,



so, the COP is a very important matter, isnt it?

an inverter driven aircondition saves 44% of energy.

an aircondition runs approx 1200 hrs a year, if not more.

A cheap 18000 btu unit uses approx 2400 kw/h a year.

that cost me around 700 stg.

saving 44% means, a good inverter driven aircondi would cost me around 400 stg to do the same job, saving 300 stg a year for each installed 18000 unit.

actually i could save using nearly one cheap one and just use the inverter driven one double the time...



so, remains the question: how much is an inverter driven 18000 btu airconndition?

fazo1??



Vaughan, just by the way... interested in a solar direct dc pump which can bring the heat from solar water panels to a heatexchanger and heat the pool (which could be driven by a solar direct pump as well)?



Peter



TRNCVaughan


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Hi Peter,



An 18000Btu inverter driven Bosch unit will cost 2300YTL, supplied and fitted.



Always interested in energy saving technology.



Would you be interested in a combined domestic hot water solar heater panel and heat pump? Sunny days just solar, heat pump automatically runs when insufficient solar.



sassycypgirl


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Vaughan



How much is the 9000 Bosch unit



also do you do Hitachi or Mitsubishi?



Sassy



TRNCVaughan


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Sassy,



I am waiting for the price of 9000Btu Bosch Inverter. Will let you know.

I can do Hitachi but this is quite a lot more than Bosch e.g. 1880Euro for 9000Btu.



sassycypgirl


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Ok



Thanks for that Vaughan.



Sassy



kibsolar


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cheap at purchase aircondis you can get everywhere.

arcelik 375, fazo1 315 stg....

maybe others are cheaper? for sure!

due to the rising electricity cost and due to the used "old technology" they drop in price every year, but become more expensive to run every year.

in an european DIY shop you can get a 9000 btu for 100 STG!

who buys that crap aircondi stuff and why?



375 stg for an arcelik= 900 ytl.

a bosch 2300 ytl, difference 1400 ytl

running costs 1 year: arcelik approx 1800 ytl

bosch: approx 1000, difference 800 ytl

an inverter driven bosch aircondi pays back in 1,5 to 2 years.



Vaughan, iam interested in heat pumps, but... they are electric and difficult to run during power cuts. plus.. same prob with aircondi. who is willing to buy good stuff?

another point is that some installers make their customers believe that their air/water heat pump has a COP of 8! , thats bulls... of course. see http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/7117.asp , msg 6

















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fazo1


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1 I only fit the cheaper end of market hear as no one is willing to pay for good stuff so i have to go with the cheaper end of market



2 Yes people will be quids in with an inverter unit but people think you are trying to rip them of because they are double the price



3 An inverter a/c unit can easily be run on a generater as the start up is lower



deecyprus4


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surely like all things electric they will fall in price inverters



JamesB


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who uses a vac pump?



TRNCVaughan


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They still purge here, which is against the law in the UK. Apart from which, without putting the unit under vac, how do they know their pipework doesn't leak? Answer: They don't and it often does.



kibsolar


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fazo,

1)if you are willing to go for the cheaper end then you might fail as you have to be compatative to the even cheaper ones

2) a lot of people are fools, yes, but not your customers. you have to explain whats going on and in this forum you have the chance to do so. do it

3) you could sell good inverters also, or an inverterdriven 9000 btu which could be runned in a back up system or runned with solar power. think about it.



vaughan.

dont misunderstand me... GOOD heat pumps are good. lets talk about it in your office.

second thing: would you be interested to boost eg heatpums efficiency for eg pool heating with solar air collectors? (leading the preheated air towards the air-inlet of the heatpump...) i have some ideas how to manufacture this air panels at a reasonable price and it would avoid expensive solar piping/heat exchangers)

0533 866 42 43



fazo1


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hi dee yes hopefully they might but things dont seem to drop in price hear



fazo1


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hi james i use a vac pump i try to vac down to 20 tor but as u now ac is cheap hear and i cannot leve on vac over night i wouldnt make any monie by doing this



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what about OFN ?



TRNCVaughan


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These guys have never heard of it.



fazo1


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Hi James i have tryed to get it but the suppliers i use dont now about this so once they have been on vac and gas is realised i use a leak detecter



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I didn't realise you couldn't get ofn there. I suppose no one brazes joints either.



fazo1


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Yes i have seen a fridge engineer brazing as i havernt been hear that long i still need to find where to get brazing equipment as my turbo turch will run out soon and you cant get refills I was told they send your bottles to turky to be refilled so it is a bit of a pain .Its like they cant have flarring kit as they coil all the pipe up the back of the a/c units .



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where did you work in the uk, Nigel.



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where did you work in the uk, Nigel.



fazo1


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hi james i started at preston refridgeration building screw compressers then whent to comptec building compressors then they tolk over burtals so i whent on to service then i whent to gla then peak and then capital cooling m8



kibsolar


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hi fazo,

get a "rothenberger" torch and run it with an ordinary gas bottle.

it works quite nice.



do yoou or Vaughan have access to an 9000 btu aircondi inverter driven? i am interested in two units.



Peter



fazo1


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hi kibsolar no i dont have a 9000 inverter i can get 1 sorted if you want .do you mean a tourch and lines and run it of a standard gas bottle.



kibsolar


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http://www.baukreis.de/produkte/bigpic.php3?ArtNr=RO_3.1092

cost 190 euro

http://www.baukreis.de/produkte/bigpic.php3?ArtNr=RO_3.5390

310 euro

runs from gas bottle without oxygen.

hard 19mm soft 32 mm. that should do



sorry websites in german.



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Hi Peter,



I can supply and fit a 9000Btu Hitachi inverter for 1088Euro.



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