Local team aims to highlight Turkish occupation

Navek



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 10:16

Tonight's UEFA Champions league football match between Cyprus team Anorthosis Famagusta and Germany's Werder Bremen will attempt to highlight the issue of the occupied town.



Speaking at a press conference yesterday, Famagusta Mayor Alexis Galanos said that a special event has been planned just before kick-off, with the objective being to bring before the whole of Europe the continuing occupation of the town by Turkish forces.



“Before the match starts, we will all see the town of Famagusta in a symbolic way.



“It will be a message that will be transmitted to 19 countries and millions of people watching this game,” he said. “It will pass on the message that the enclaved city of Famagusta is there and waiting for us,” Galanos said.



“This view of Famagusta will be worth a hundred ambassadors,” she added.



The game takes place at Nicosia's GSP Stadium.



- Copyright © Famagusta Gazette 2008

Chessman


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 10:26

Millions? Surely Billions will be watching this long awaited game. I can't wait myself! I am sure all the football supporters in such places as Alaska will be horrified by the situation in Cyprus. The Major is a disgrace, he has undersold this! Trousers down and a jolly good thrashing for him, I say!

petlovers


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 11:56

if only people found out what actually went on prior to the turkish army coming to save everyone from the greeks killing everyone this included british here in cyprus.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 12:03

RE petlovers, msg # 3 : (...) to save everyone from the greeks killing everyone (...)



===> Oh dear, oh dear! "Greeks"?! Just for the record: you mean the Greek speaking Cypriots.

Aslan


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 12:45

Yes Navek, this game will surely be the pick of the bunch for football supporters worldwide!!!!

I am sure the lads back in Blighty are putting their pennies together to pay-to-view this game of the year!!

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 15:45

Dutch



I see the essence of your post and it is a point well made but weren't there some Greek army personnel on the island in 74 as well as Cypriots whose primary toungue was Greek?



Also given one of the stated aims was enosis (at least by many of the activists) then they presumably saw themselves as Greeks or at least Cypriot Greeks rather than Greek Cypriots.



Just wasting time with semantics really!



H



H

petlovers


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 16:14

the greek army were here and many greeks killing anybody who stood in there way.so funny the south want the turkish army out when the greek army were here first.the only reason there is peace in cyprus now and since 74 is the turkish army being here protecting everyone from the bad people in the south.

Navek



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 16:30

Hi Aslan



Sure I read somewhere,

half the city is to be cordoned off,



as it's such an important game

petlovers


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 18:21

suzanne,there are good and bad you are correct.i do wonder if you actually have any idea what went on befor 74......the south thinks everything belongs to them.......

iceman


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 18:43

a question about recent Cyprus history to all....



Can anyone tell me when was the last time a Turkish Cypriot was a victim of intercommunal violence prior to morning of 20 July 1974?

kavenkoy


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 18:43

sport and cheap politics dont mix in my view



and thats why i think lifting isolation of T.C for everybody to compete in any competition is right .



kav

Biker



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 18:45

There is still an allegation that the buildings in Marash (Varosha) is built on Turkish Vakif land confiscated by the Greek government.



Biker

gibson335


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Posts: 325

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 19:07

Suzanne.



It's about time you faced up to the fact that the sole reason this Island is divided is because your Greek Cypriot friends tried to rid the Island of every Turkish Cypriot alive. Quite rightly the Turkish Army assisted in stopping this as the British Government stood by and watched and the Greek Government lent their support to your friend's aims' including sending Army personnel and heavy arms. Until you learn about what actually occured here I for one wish you would keep quiet as you only serve to make yourself look ridiculous, as will the Mayor of Famagusta

Groucho



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 19:23

"Sit back and watch..." Got to say, it sounds like a true Cypriot ;¬)

fire starter


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 20:11

how can you go on blaming the greek cypriots for everything?

should we start blaming the germans as well?

daveb


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 20:18

firesarter



they are to blaim didnt they try and kill all the turks and keep cyprus for themselfs





david bentley

iceman


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 20:24

does anyone have an answer to my question on msg.11?

daveb


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 20:59

icemman

i dont know what you are turk or greek the answer is no



my question to you is why







david bentley

iceman


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 21:15

daveb

my question does not have a yes or no answer.

Please reply with the answer if you know.



what exactly is your question?

Lilli



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 21:50

great PR machine at work again another case of propeganda does the EU fund these events

Groucho



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 21:57

Iceman,



It was before the morning of 20 July 1974... so that's the answer.



Questions.... Are/were all inter-communal acts of violence recorded somewhere?



Are they complete? I only ask because half the crime in the UK goes unrecorded so I don't imagine it's much better here, or was then...



May some have gone unrecorded because the true facts of a disappearence or other act of terrorism like being burned out are not known?

iceman


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 22:27

Groucho

Wrong answer....



The fact is...last time before morning of 20 July 1974 a Turkish Cypriot was a victim of intercommunal violence (killed by Greek Cypriots) was back in 1967.



There was no violence or act of terrorism between the two communities from 1967 to 1974.



1974 casualities all happened after the morning of 20 July when Turkish troops started landing and planes bombing..This is when Greek Cypriots turned on Turkish Cypriots on other parts of the island.



The reason am posting this is because many people here seem to think the Turkish Cypriots were being slaughtered by Greek Cypriots in 1974 when Turkey intervened.

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 22:41

NO acts of terrorism between 1967 and 1974



Your obviously the sort of chap who still beleives in Santa Clause !

Groucho



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 22:47

Iceman,



Not a single inter-communal act of violence? 1967 - 1974 Really?



After all the years of troubles 7 years of peace between the two communities?



Nobody forced to sell their property for a peppercorn amount?



It's a moot point but you did not specify "killed" in your original question...



Anyone have a different viewpoint of the period Iceman has thrown into relief?



BTW 1967 is before the morning of 20 July 1974...

iceman


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 22:57

karakum5c

Do you care to produce some facts about any intercommunal vilolence between the two communities from 1967 to 1974?



this goes to you too Groucho...

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:00

iceman



why do you choose 67 to 74 .



terrorism no violence yes ,how do you think we got to be such a minority.

you have your catechism of cyprus ,people are not stupid in 1974 the turkish intervention was executed due to the slaughter of turkish cypriots ,so your original question holds no water,however as i state you have your own beliefs of cyprus .



musin

karakum5c



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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:05

EOKA-B , A Greek paramilitary organisation was formed in 1971 and continued to 1974.



They were not the local boy scouts!!!

iceman


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:07

Musin

Thats exactly the point i am making...Unlike the common belief on this board Turkish Cypriots were slaughtered after Turkey landed on the island NOT before..



As a Cypriot who lived on the island all his life and experienced every thing first hand i should know beter than people who learn events from google!!!

iceman


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:10

Karakum5c

Eoka-B's first and last act of violence was against Makarios in 1974 when they staged the coup......try another one.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:14

gavin



turkish cypriots 4% minority ,how does anybody think that came about (peace)

i don,t think so .



the turkish cypriots have never had any sort of balanced power from the greeks and it will never get it ,now or ever .



musin

long live the kktc

Cypfan


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:16

Iceman has made a good point re "normalisation" or improvement of GC and TC relations by the late 1960s.



Denktas and Clerides were building bridges and talking by this time and TCs were coming out of the enclaves at last. The Turkish invasion/intervention brought needless bloodshed.



The massacres of TCs in Sandalar and the other two villages in Famagusta district were just one example of revenge killings by GC irregulars because of the Turkish advance. It's a stain on the martyrs that their deaths have been exploited by Turkey for propaganda purposes ever since.



Peace at home, peace in the world.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:18

mustafa



why did turkey intervene.







musin

iceman


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Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:23

Musin

Turkey intervened excersising her power as a guarantor of Republic of Cyprus.

In other words,to restore the constitution...



now you tell me why you think Turkey intervened.

Lemtich



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Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 23:50

This straight in from ABC News 1974!



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UYYrvMwQwtA



Lem

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 00:02

iceman



why i think turkey intervened ,i know why turkey intervened ,the question as it stands is you don,t seem to know why.



lets just say you have your conviction on cyprus and i have mine .



good luck mustafa .



musin

long live the kktc

iceman


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 00:12

Musin

I know more about events of Cyprus than you ever will,but lets just leave it at that.!!



Lemtich

Due to ISP restrictions from Turkey,i have no access to any youtube sites..

What was on the link you posted?

ronaldo


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 00:49

Iceman you say prior to 20th July 74 did younot mean post 74!

iceman


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 01:05

i meant before 20th July 74

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 01:26

Sport can be a great ambassador for peace and understanding. Look back in history to the famous 1st world war football game on christmas day between waring factions the British and the Germans.



Political statments around sporting events should not be allowed regardless of circumstances.

Let the said football game go ahead, let everyone enjoy the event for what it is and keep politics out of it.

However on another note. How about football teams from the TRNC being allowed to participate in tornaments. How about ROC v TRNC. Could be conjusive to acceptance and understanding .

stubs


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 01:50

Mustafa



I think you are very brave. Many people on these boards believe that Turkish Cypriots were being hunted down and slaughtered just prior to 1974. I'm glad that someone like yourself has came out and shared his experiences of what life was like for a Turkish Cypriot during those times.



It would be interesting if you could write more of you experiences during this time I am sure it would make interesting reading and also may enlighten some of the others.

w26kay



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 02:53

With Varosha if your GC can prove they own it? LOL, why don't they claim it?



Because it has always belonged to Evkaf.



If you dispute this, you have always had the opportunity to claim it for your own. But unfortunately you haven't/can't (because it doesnt belong to you) and therefore in the last 34 years it has remained a "ghost town". It's not GC Land, and never will be.



One day, the world will be reminded of the city which does not belong to GC, as also with the fact (and with documentary evidence) that it definately belongs to the TC's.



Suzanne before you open your mouth make sure your brain is engaged, and better still, go and look at your history books.

petlovers


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 08:29

iceman was only a young boy from 64 onwards......so how can he say whay went on....nice try iceman!!!!

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 08:37

Getting back to the original posting, I watched the start of the game (or at least the build up as shown on UK TV) and as a non Greek speaker it didn't highlight the problem with Famagusta to me.



Did I miss something (highly likely!)



Did anyone else watch?



P

kavenkoy


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 09:55

harold



i watched and i thought the same .



the sky presenter didnt know or comment on anything .



to me it looked like 2000 people holding up bin bags .The other interesting stat was there was a late surge to buy tickets with the commentator saying 18000 sold in last 2 days .



im a bit synical but would these be reduced price tickets like some premiership clubs do rather than look daft when televeison comes to town ?or even paid for tickets to get bums on seats ?



kav



all in all not a great event

littlenige



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 09:57

http://www.tribuntv.com/werder-bremen-vs-anarthosis-0-0-full-highlights-news1071.html



Anorthosis 0 Werder Bremen 0

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 10:03

Nige



It was 2 2 last night in Cyprus. Your link is to the match in Germany.



Politics aside it has been a great campaign for Anorthosis



P

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 11:24

Interesting post Iceman. I have to concede that it has opened my eyes. I had believed that TC deaths had occured right up until 1974 from 67.



Unless you can tell me otherwise, I am presuming that the TC's lived in fear, so suffered emotional and psychological hardship from 67 to 74.



You have stimulated me to read a little more about that era. It's looking like Turkey responded to Greeces military action, wanting to protect it's own borders and igniting it's historical war with Greece. Perhaps they were less concerened about the plight of the TC's.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 11:28

I think we should turn the clocks back... obviously everything was better between 1967 and 1974 between the TCs and the GCs....



Were precise plans not drawn up for the total extinction of the TCs during this period? I seem to remember reading about the plans becoming public knowledge in the last few years...

stubs


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 11:39

Kay



Re msg 42



I posted a link from the European Court of Human Rights in a case from a Greek Cypriot refugee from Famagusta



http://www.echr.coe.int/Eng/Press/2005/Dec/ChamberJudgmentXenides-AristesvTurkey221205.htm



I'll quote part of the judgement here

"One of the houses was her home, where she lived with her husband and children, and the rest of the property was either used by members of the family or rented out. She also owns part of a plot of land with an orchard."



The court ruled that she "owns" part of a plot of land. Not Evkaf. In fact Evkaf is not mentioned anywhere in the judgement so the scource of you "documented information" is?



Rather than reading an authors opinion maybe you should look at some of the court judgements. I think you owe Suzanne an apology

iceman


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 11:42

ilovecyprus

You hit the nail on the head with your last sentence.



Groucho

The plans you mention were all a product of the campaign between 1963-1967.

After the events of 1967 president Makarios conceded the fact that this was an imposible dream and he would have to make compromises to find a civilised solution the problem...this is the reason Greece backed extremists decided to get rid of him in 1974.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 12:38

Iceman,



Do you think that Grivas would have re-deployed these plans if the overthrow of Markarios and the coup had been more successful?



He seems to have been an all or nothing "final solution" type guy to me...

littlenige



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 12:51

oops thanks

iceman


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 12:54

Groucho

Are we assuming again?

Grivas died six months before the coup on January 27 1974

Groucho



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 14:13

Iceman,



Of course one has to make assumptions based on empirical evidence... otherwise we'd all have to make our own mistakes.. which being civilised we don't need to do if we can look back and see what is good, what is bad, what works, what does not...



So we are in theory land here... Grivas is he'd have lived, those that followed if they'd been successful in the coup.



As the prize (that is the Island of Cyprus) came ever nearer during this period, do you think they, and here I mean - those wanting complete union with Greece whether or not Grivas had lived, would have been more or less likely to have continued until they had exactly what Enosis said on the tin?

iceman


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 14:54

Groucho

The percentage of Greek Cypriots who wanted enosis is not as much as you think.

Anyhow the coupistst were only a handfull of Greek officers with very few GC conscripts under their command..

The coup did not have the backing of the majority of population...

Groucho



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 20:19

"Anyhow the coupistst were only a handfull of Greek officers with very few GC conscripts under their command.. "



Well how did they think that was going to work? A bit like me walking into Richard Branson's office and telling him I was the boss! Out on my ear....

Val44


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 20:31

Whats all this got to do with football??

Groucho



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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 22:17

Val



The thread was not really about the football so much as using a sporting event to draw attention to the continuing presence of Turkish troops in the north and making a political statement....



I don't really see that people in the north can complain about this when David Haye wears the TRNC flag on his shorts...

iceman


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Message Posted:
27/11/2008 22:59

Groucho

I agree with you TC's have no right in complaining that GC's used sport to draw attention to present political situation but David Haye is the wrong example because he is wearing the flag on his shorts with his own will...no one asked him to do so.



The correct example was Mr.Talat being introduced as TRNC President in Istanbul Grand Prix couple of years ago to present the trophy to the winner.

This stunt which was televised live all over the world cost Turkish AA $5 million USD.

Navek



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 09:18

From BRT Online



Posters and placards symbolizing two thousand houses and apartment flats in the closed city were distributed to spectators before the game.

A 50 meter long banner with “FAMAGUSTA” written on it was also opened during the game.

A song titled “The place I missed” was also played to the 22 thousand supporters who gathered to watch the game.



Meanwhile, strong reaction has come to the action from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs Turgay Avci said that the action was aimed at sabotaging and axing the ongoing negotiations process to find a political settlement in Cyprus.



Full Story.........



http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/42556

Cyprusunday


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 14:19

It would be good if Iceman could put together a short history. Those of un who know him respect him and he has certainly opened my eyes.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 15:16

Iceman.. are you secretly David Haye's sartorial elegance advisor?



You may well find that he was asked to wear it... albeit not by some official body...



I can't think that a boxer's first thought would have been to do so....

iceman


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 15:54

Groucho

May be i should rephrase my earlier comment as "no one (OFFICIAL) asked him to do so"....sorry my English is not good as yours,so i do slip now and again..



I happen to know (personally) David Haye and Adam Booth (his trainer/manager) from their very early days in north Cyprus...(I was involved in setting up their SKY TV systems and internet connections)



Allow me to know certain things you don't.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 17:26

Cyprussunday: "It would be good if Iceman could put together a short history. Those of un who know him respect him and he has certainly opened my eyes."



You'd be surprised how many Turkish Cypriots share this view and how many expats have been supporting them in their objections to outside interference. TCs deserve to run their own affairs - and if that should be in partnership with the GCs then that is for the Cypriots alone to decide without the meddling of foreigners, militarists and colonists. The recent arrest of two young men for making comments on Facebook should tell you all you need to know about who really calls the shots in north Nicosia.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 23:14

Iceman,



Granted... but I bet you don't know how hard he punches!

Craig


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Message Posted:
29/11/2008 23:51

Surely isn't or rather wasn't it just one over reaction followed by another at the political/military levels without much input from the majority of Cypriots....the result a bloodbath and a lot of dead on both sides...what a stupid waste of life. The military especially in those days were all too kean to flex their muscles on both sides of the fence.....if there wasn't a coup followed by an over reaction by the turks and then an overreaction by the greeks then this would not have happened......it's time to move forward and just get on with life......i do however fully understand the generations that lived through it baring huge grudges it must have been awful on both sides....

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 00:05

the t/cs have never had a balanced partnership with the g/cs,why because the g/cs will never allow it and never have ,along the basis that the g/cs are a majority ,and while there are turkish cypriots who share the views of the likes of iceman and ex pats like pp, who at every point and every discussion are quick

too raise greek propoganda .

there are very few turkish cypriots who hold their view.

67 to 74 more t/cs were forced to sell their properties for peanuts and leave cyprus then any other period ,you have to ask the question why they ended up at 4% minority.

musin

long live the kktc

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 12:18

msge 63



You can read the book "The Cyprus question and the Turkish position in International Law" by Zaim M Necatigil.



At the front of the book it concisely highlights the key political/military events that have taken place in Cyprus from 1878 through to 1996

iceman


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 12:39

ilovecyprus

How accurate will you get with a state sponsored book?

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 12:52

Exactly - just like the Genocide Files and other frothing at the mouth garbage funded by Turkey. Even an A-level schoolboy knows which texts are required reading and which are discredited.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 12:53

If researching the Cyprus Issue Iceman, what books would you recommend that give an accurate reflection?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 12:54

Have you read it iceman?



I bought the book for the sole purpose to view of having a very quick reference to the historical events that took place in Cyprus. I have only lighty read the main body of the book. The bits that I have dipped in to, suggest in places, Turkey has an anemic case.



The chronological facts seem free of content with a focus on facts. i.e 1974 - January - death of Grivas, July - Makarios demands withdrawal of Greek oficers



If you have read the book then I would be interested in your observations, as to where the facts may be open to dispute.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 13:14

bradus,



Here's four I can recommend:



The Cyprus Conspiracy: America, Espionage and the Turkish Invasion (O'Malley/Craig).



Hostage to History: Cyprus from the Ottomans to Kissinger (Hitchens).



Cyprus: The Search For A Solution (Hanney).



A Business Of Some Heat (Henn).



I'd generally avoid anything with Greek or Turkish publishers for obvious reasons. Can I ask you which texts on Cyprus you've read?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
30/11/2008 13:37

I can also recommend 'The Cyprus question' by Michael Stephen