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stevo-london


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08/01/2012 14:04

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Even though I may no post as a member that often, I always monitor what is posted and other peoples comments.



After I saw what MarcusHarris wrote & knowinlgy in a few hours was suspended till 2022 was this right?



If so please give me your opinions, was MarcusHarris wrong in trying to HELP prewarn people of what had happend to him or his brother?

Should this be a friendly forum where people should be able to log onto and read things that could prevent them being heartbroken, aswell as give & take advice?



Look forward to your responses



Turtle


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08/01/2012 14:17

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You say you have an Advertising & Marketing Company ?



Post the website on here so we can all see who you are and we can pick through your business,... I'm sure you have nothing to hide



hattikins


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08/01/2012 14:31

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From another of your postings, an explanation I hope you will please read and understand.





The moderators have no special instructions to protect anyone, whether they advertise on here or not. We do however use our common sense to protect the board. In this we use our discretion but do not expect to be able to come on here and post "So and so is a crook" if that hasn't been proved in a court of Law. If you do and it is moderated do not repeat it, complain about it or cause trouble because you will be banned.



stevo-london


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08/01/2012 16:18

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http://www.johnpattison.co.uk/



Turtle


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08/01/2012 16:23

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Advertising & Marketing website please ?



TimothyCadman


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08/01/2012 16:34

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Stevo-London,

Johnpattison has only put one side of a story, and actually that story is grossly inaccurate.

At no time did Unwins, or Mark Unwin, do anything fraudulently. He was introduced to the builder, as is required by the builder. Johnpattison spoke with the builder. Johnpattison then signed a contract with the names of him and Alpan Uz, or his company. AT NO TIME DID THE ESTATE AGENT DO ANYTHING WRONG. He introduced johnpattison to the builder, his work is done. The Estate Agent is NOT required to do anything else, morally or legally.

When things go wrong the contract that is signed is the only thing a court can refer to. I've never known an Estate Agents to be included as part of the contract unless it is to state that the initial payment or stage payments will be done through them.

By the way, stage payments through an Estate Agents is a Tax Con on behalf of Builders and Developers. The money transfered can goto an account unconnected with the business, thus avoiding tax.



stevo-london


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08/01/2012 16:38

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Hi Turtle, what do you do for a living?



Turtle


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None of your business,..... website please



hattikins


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08/01/2012 16:43

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more to the point, what do you do for a living stevo



erolz


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08/01/2012 17:19

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The website domain ( http://www.johnpattison.co.uk/) was registered through a company called http://www.heartinternet.co.uk/ and is hosted by them it would appear. As the hosters, if they are informed of any libel on one of thier machines and do not remove it they become liable as per the Laurence Godfrey vs Demon internet. There is a very high probability that if the Unwins were to cohntact heartinternet.co.uk and claim they are being defamed, heartinternet.co.uk will not investigate if they are or not, but will shut the site down regardless. Not all hosters would do so but many will simply because its the easiest way to avoid any possible liability on their part.



Just so you know John.



TRNCvictim


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08/01/2012 17:41

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Timothy Cadman (mess 6)



They are Morally and Legally obliged to pay back the commission they received, if the victim didn't get their property??? according to the Head of the Estate Agents Union this Law is retrospective! Seeing how your an Estate Agent Employee in the TRNC perhaps you could talk to the head of your Union and see if this is correct?

If your still selling properties, perhaps it would be wise to know the Law!



Thanks for informing us about another scam! This time avoiding paying taxes



pollymarples


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08/01/2012 18:17

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The Head of the Estate Agents Association gave me a copy of the Estate Agenst law and indeed pointed out where it says commission is repayable when the purchasers cannot get their title deed. He had no objection top my writing about it on NCFP TOO Timothy, in common with the general consensus of opinion of Estate Agents, you seem to think that they are required to do very little to earn their obscene amount of commission. If this is true, why then have they undertaken to progress a build and pay stage payments, receive money into their accounts for stage payments, even prepared Contracts and not used Advocates for the converyancing in some instances?



By your own admission in message 6 you admit that the Estate Agent is quite happy to collude in tax evasion.

What an upright lot they are. YOu still havent told me who you work for...dont be shy...or perhaps someone else reading this can tell me.



Turtle


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08/01/2012 18:41

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Polly I am sure you are right about getting the commission repaid back but who from ?



I think Groucho is correct in his post (on another thread) that your contract would probably be with the builder and not the estate agent so its the builder who is liable.



Lets face it if you buy a Sony TV from an electrical retailer and for some reason you want your money back would Sony give it you back,...... I don't think so.



A difficult situation I would grant you but what does the actual law state ?



EamonnMc


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08/01/2012 18:49

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Turtle,



If your Sony TV was faulty , the retailer would give you your money back and then get a credit from Sony.



Turtle


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08/01/2012 18:57

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You are absolutely right Eamonn,... so the buck stops at the builder...... he is the manufacturer



TRNCvictim


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08/01/2012 19:02

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Turtle (mess 13)



From the Estate Agent to whom it was paid! It's the LAW now in the TRNC and it is retrospective, so I am awaiting the return of the commission I sent to them at their Offices in the TRNC! along with hundreds more victims who didn't receive their properties!



I believe they are still trading, so why don't they abide by the Law in the Courtry they are trading in?



Al Capone was convicted of Tax Evasion I believe



EamonnMc


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08/01/2012 19:05

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Turtle,

The retailer " estate agent " would refund you your money ,you would be satisfied, and then he would reclaim from the manufacturer "builder " Not exactly what you state in Msg. 13.



Turtle


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08/01/2012 19:06

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But was it paid to the estate agent or to the builder via the estate agent that is my question ?



elko2



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08/01/2012 19:09

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msg. 16

TRNC Victim,

The only thing retrospective about the law was that you could register your old contracts but the effect of registration was not retrospective. If you believe that you have a good legal case against the relevant estate agent you should sue them but I advise you to consult a better lawyer than your current one

ismet



EamonnMc


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08/01/2012 19:12

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Ismet,



As usual, you are a rock of sense !



Turtle


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OK, so the way I understand it is this.

If you pay a builder say 10k as a 1st down payment and the builder decides to give an estate agent 5k out of the 10k as an introduction fee then that is nothing to do with the buyer and they should try and reclaim the 10k from the builder yes/no ?



elko2



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08/01/2012 19:29

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msg. 21,

The simple answer is "yes".

According to the new law about the Registration of Estate Agents, the agents have some responbsibility but that does not include the creditworth of the seller. That is something that should be discussed between the buyer and his advocate but if his advocate is not going to get his fee unless the sale goes ahead, he is not likely to ponder on that point.

ismet



EamonnMc


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Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:30

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Turtle, Msg 21,



As I understand it, you give the estate agent the money (deposit) to pass on to the builder....the estate agent takes his /her cut and gives balance to builder, the estate agent won't wait for the builder to pay his/her commission.



TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
08/01/2012 19:31

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Ismet (mess 19)



I have learnt the hard way I would never ever trust any TRNC Lawyer :-( they are tarred with the same brush as the estate agents) I'll stick with the good old British & American system it has long tentacles



elko2



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08/01/2012 19:43

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TRNCvictim,

The good old British and American System i.e. the Anglo-saxon System is fine if you are contemplating of legal action in the States but do not forget the saying "Out of the frying pan into the fire"

ismet

PS: what happened to your case in the States? Have you got fed up paying them?



TRNCvictim


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08/01/2012 19:50

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ismet (mess 25)



Your not trying to get me banned are you? we can't mention America on Cypruss 44



Turtle


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08/01/2012 19:55

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Eamonn Msg23 Surely you would pay an advocate and not an estate agent ?



TRNCvictim


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08/01/2012 20:01

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Turtle you are talking about the TRNC not civilisation as we know it :-(



Turtle


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TRNCvictim I appreciate you have had a rough ride in North Cyprus but lets not forget not all buyers have had problems.



TRNCvictim


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08/01/2012 20:53

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I know that Turtle, the problem is there is so many like me who are either too scared or too war weary to fight, many are elderly and have lost everything, financially, emotionally and with failing health can't fight the creeps who instigated the scams, but I fight on to try to make sure in 2012 everyone knows the dark side of the TRNC, and although you and many others have had "no problems" we won't be swept under the TRNC carpet!



Happy New Year!



elko2



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08/01/2012 20:57

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What about those who had the keys years ago but no sign of the title deeds yet. Will they ever get them?

ismet



britvic



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08/01/2012 21:07

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Yes ismet, you can get them at a high price.



TRNCvictim


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britvic (mess 32)



Hope the high price didn't affect your health?



elko2



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Britvic,

Not always even at a high price. Some are even afraid to mention it.

ismet



britvic



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TRNCvictim, I do believe stress like we were under will always affect your health one way or another, and if your not strong your relationship will suffer too.

ismet, and some people bury their heads in the sand hoping it will go away........It won't.



Bradus


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08/01/2012 22:09

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Whilst defending the Estate Agent mentioned we have been informed that:



1) The Estate Agent asks for the first stage payment so that he can take his commission, otherwise the builder will not pay it.



2) It is put in the Estate Agents account for 28 days so that he might earn interest on it.



3) The Estate Agent takes the stage payments in order to help the builder avoid having to pay his taxes.



Business the TRNC way. Don't you just love it?



TRNCvictim


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08/01/2012 22:30

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Bradus (mess 36)



No I don't love it! it stinks like a cess pit! and until things are put right will continue to do so..... just like the Land Owner and the Developer falling out! yet another cess pit.... and mortgage's taken out on land already built on.....and PAID FOR! Scam after Scam.... however to avoid paying tax to a Government who allowed the cess pit in the first place just shows how sad it is for the ordinary person living in Airy Fairy Land! the circle of corruption continues until nothing is left! just an empty shell of a Country defeated by it's own stupidity!



TimothyCadman


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09/01/2012 00:30

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TRNCvictim,

I worked in the TRNC Estate Agencies from Jan 2005 to November 2007, before I sold up and returned to the UK. My employers were several as trying to get a Work Permit out of them was nigh on impossible and kicking up a stink made them do away with my services.



philbailey


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15/02/2012 02:14

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msg 38 , so are you back here in the UK?



Groucho



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This week's 'Stalker' award for the mostly timely response (one month five days) goes to philbailey...



Tenakoutou



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15/02/2012 08:41

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When will people get it into their thick heads that you cannot own ANY property in TRNC, title deed granted or not!



Why?



Because of the temporary residence requirements - you remain a 'visitor', who can have your temporary residence permit cancelled on a whim from police, or Immigration.



I grant that the exception may be for a handful of foreigners who have their 'Kimlik' card - but for Uncle Tom Cobbley and all, it's 'stiff shit' - just accept it!



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