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wanderer


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12/01/2012 00:18

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Children 'dumped in streets by Greek parents who can't afford to look after them any more'

Youngsters abandoned as parents struggle

4-year-old found clutching note: 'I can't afford her'

Country also running out of medicine

Aspirin stocks low as austerity measures bite





Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085163/Children-dumped-streets-Greek-parents-afford-them.html#ixzz1jBso3RK3



girne 29


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12/01/2012 02:14

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DailyMail,say no more.



The Greeks didnt/dont pay taxes. Their bus drivers get free milk on top of a wage that is twice that of German bus drivers. It has been worked out that its cheaper to get rid of the railways and Govt pay for taxis for peoples journeys. They told a pack of lies to get into euro. 40% of all occupations are 'hazardous' thus qualifying for retirement on full pension at 50.That includes radio announcers and hairdressers.



But hey,its the rest of Europe and eurozone thats to blame,because they told the greeks,if you want more of our taxpayers money you will have to stop all this spending. Is the Mail saying the EU should just carry on shovelling money at the Greeks but have no controls



Only few months back the looney right wing Mail was ranting about the criminal greeks, but guess they hate other Europeans more now.



Anyway its nobodies business in the TRNC , not in the EU,or Euro. Enough corruption etc in NC to concentrate on before commenting on EU.



yrret


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12/01/2012 08:33

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Similar story on BBC World news this morning here.



quite right g29.



The greeks lied to get into a club they couldn't afford to be members of, and lied further about finances to get the Euro so they could borrow money cheaply. Instead of investing the money in projects etc to generate growth, much of it was spent propping up Gov prnesions, and generated nothing.



The people now need the hold those within the country accountable for their own missfortune.



No sympathy I am afraid, it is the naive uneducated electorate and politicians to blame. They have brought the situation on their own children, and should be judged accordingly.



wanderer


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12/01/2012 10:12

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Yes it is the Greeks but also the Italians and the rest of the PIIGS

But if they had their own currency they would just devalue

Now they are told by Germany and (Vishy) France what to do after being oversold French and German products at inflated Euro prices

The EU was set up so that there would be no more European conflict and war

Is the euro and EU a recipe for this again ?



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12/01/2012 14:35

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The whole mess is becoming very dangerous and its always the poor people who suffer.Greek people suffered severe hardships during and after WW2. I hope it does not happen again.

ismet



wanderer


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Ismet I agree its the politicians that have the dreams/fantasies the people be they Greek Italian or Irish that have the pain and the youth of the EU cannot get work a lost generation

very sad and dangerous for all our futures



AndyR



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12/01/2012 15:50

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We're heading towards the disastrous and inevitable consequence of an over-beauracratic EU attempting to level the worlds most un-even playing field! It's impossible to have a single currency over such a large and diverse geographical/political/economic area. Common sense tells us that it simply doesn't work.

Sadly, no matter what is attempted to rectify this now there will be serious economic repercussions on a continent wide (if not global) scale. This will get much worse for us all before it gets any better. Best to take the bull by the horns and do away with the euro, revert to origibal currencies, and devalue where necessary to allow individual countries to get to grips with their own economic problems. Only then can Europe as a whole start to enter a real economic recovery.

Rant over !!



andre514


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12/01/2012 15:52

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message 4:



"the eu was set up so there would be no more european conflict..."



it is true an ending of conflict is slated as an explanation for the setting up of the eec/eu

however a more likely explanation has postwar post-imperial europe anxious to strengthen

itself in the new world of two dominating power blocs



as far as deflation and savage spending cuts are concerned, it is doubtful this can resolve

the problems of countries like greece since the tax take rapidly declines rapidly in the process



admitting greece to the eurozone like the ascension of cyprus to the eu was poorly thought-

through in the face of political necessity, perhaps the officials could have signalled warnings if

they had felt free to do so



concerning the euro zone and its neighbours hardly anyone can afford to be smug

in the face of a slow-speed car crash with unknowable outcomes



fiendishpaul


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12/01/2012 17:01

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Message 3



"Instead of investing the money in projects etc to generate growth, much of it was spent propping up Gov prnesions, and generated nothing".



Sound familiar ???



BillBarnacle


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12/01/2012 17:35

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To answer the question NO !!!!!!!!!



girne 29


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12/01/2012 19:12

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To answer the question--up to now it has been very worth it for the Greeks.A bankrupt fraud of a country living off the rest of Europe. As to whether its worth it to anyone else, Id rather hear the answer from the French,German,Dutch,Italian etc etc worker ,as to whether his families life has been better or worse last 30 years because of the EU,than from Xenophobic Daily Mail readers, who are not even in the Euro .



The main problem is not with the Euro ,but with allowing countries who shouldnt be, in. Probably the reason so many wanted to join EU was for Eurozone membership,and that should have rung alarm bells.



There was an irishman on radio blaming the EU for his countries troubles as well,

Oh yeah ,again,the EU forced the Irish to bump up all their wages and base there economy on building and mortgages. The EU forced Irish to have the greatest helecopter ownership per head in the world. EU made the Irish pay single man basic 190 against 64 UK jobseeker



LaptaGeezer


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12/01/2012 19:15

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The EU and the euro are both a waste of time... an over-sized organisation and an over-egotistical bunch of plonkers running it. It was always doomed to failure. I for one will be glad once it falls flat on its face and we can all get back to normal. Do you remember what that used to feel like?!?!



Rules and regulations... over the top PC Brigade... pathetic in the extreme!



andre514


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12/01/2012 22:19

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arguably, it was italy's phenomenal economic growth in the 1960's that

did much to convince some tory politicians that a belated stab at membership

of the eec might expand trade and support business



oh and the penny "finally" dropping after britain and france's botched suez

adventure in 1956 when the yanks pulled the plug, that diplomacy needed

far more beef behind it than just the two european allies could ever amass



and it was the then-tory government of 1992 shadowing the d-mark in the

Exchange Rate Mechanism which finally exploded in the chancellor's face that

september that made it impractucal for britain to join the 'zone



'course the wisdom of hindsight teaches us the eu was never more than just

another politicians' construct and the unviability of the eurozone not so much

the immediate make or break worries of the german voter back in 2002 but

the steady rap of bailiffs on southern doors



Groucho



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13/01/2012 08:32

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Olli Rehn - Europe's Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs. Sarah Montague asks Olli Rehn whether Europe's leaders are any closer to resolving the crisis in the Eurozone and can the Euro survive?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ht#playepisode2

Listen and read between the lines...



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