Solar energy & feeding back to the grid in north cyprus

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
25/01/2012 22:49

I'm interested in finding out how much it costs to have a system installed. I live in Dipkarpaz.

Anybody would like to give a quote and advice??

I searched in the forum but could not find a very recent thread. In the light of recent events is 'feeding back to the grid' even a possibility??

yrys88


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 1140

Message Posted:
25/01/2012 23:07

Hiya



Feeding back to the grid is not yet possible! Although they plan to do so "soon"

But I think they have a way to go yet!



What kind of system are you looking for ? What do you need it to run? How long? Pls send me an email to yrtrnc@yahoo.co.uk

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
25/01/2012 23:28

The reason I asked about feeding back to the grid is because there have been advertisements in cyprus Today from Kibris Güneş Enerjisi a couple of months ago offering a free no obligatory survey.

Cyprusactive


Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 128

Message Posted:
25/01/2012 23:58

Sorry to be negative but the solar PV systems offered in the TRNC are grossly over priced and if you ever think that Kibtec could ever get a feed in tariff system working you must believe in faries. Unfortunately the Solar/Green movement sells the idea that you are saving the planet and cashing in on that goodness and concern that people have to grossly overcharge them. The UK feed in tariffs were a joke and now they have been cut you will see more effort going into getting the price down, and it will happen. There are some new products and methods which will reduce the price greatly but not yet and you would actually be better carrying out things to reduce comsumption if you want to save the planet.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 08:43

I have seen the work done by Ayan-Tech and I was impressed with the quality. You should see the set up at his house at Yenibogaziçi, not far from Famagusta. He constructed his own tracking system that follows the sun during daytime.

Please contact Osman Demirli at ayantech@hotmail.com or phone

365 4020

0548 888 9898

0533 868 0207



The law about selling electricity back to Kib-tek was passed last year and its expected to be operational within a month.

ismet

delikomsu



Joined: 27/10/2010
Posts: 504

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 09:17

Hi there, our solar electric system is for sale complete, including tracker. Contact me to view.

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 09:28

Delikomsu. Can you give a rough estimate of the cost to have the system installed ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 10:34

Ismet do you know , does the law passed state what the feed in rate will be and does it say anything about what happens if it is changed ? That is if you put a system in when the feed in tarrif is X, does the law stipulate any guarantee that you will get this rate for a period of time ?

I too am interested in solar but the economics of it are directly tied to what the feed in tarrif is. At one rate a given systen may pay for itself over its lifespan and at another rate it will not. My concern would be putting in a system based on one tarrif only to find the tarrif changed and thus all the calculations used to cost justify move.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 10:43

Hello,

Osman Demirci from Ayantech is my customer and most of the equipment installed he purchased from kibsolar, eg batteries (Rolls), inverter, charger (from outbackpower), also the solar modules.

most of the hints for installation he got from me as well.

The solar waterpump system Ayantech installed in Mehmetcik this year was designed and sold from Kibsolar to Ayantech, too. It produces approx 100 tons per day.

Delikomsus system was also installed with help from me, working since more then 7 years without problems.

message 4 isnt very friendly, but makes a point, but PV systems are not overpriced when you purchase from kibsolar. We offer small grid systems which represent a kWh price of approx 12 - 13 eurocent, 30-32 kurus.

Warranties in some cases up to 20 years.

We offer solar modules, string and central inverters, micro inverters, tracking systems, offgrid inverters, batteries, MPPT solar chargers, solar well and pool pumping and solar thermal systems

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 11:14

Msg 8, You are right, at the moment it is not 100% clear for which exact system Kibtek (or the government or the EU or Turkey) will decide for. Teknecik is not in a brillliant technical condition, its 20 years old.

Kibtek would like to reduce the max load eg in daytime summer, with all the a/c and pool pumps on.

Same time, neither Kibtek or the government as good funds to support solar energy.

So, people who installed solar energy, most probably will get a "2 direction meter", which "deduct" the energy produced by solar from the bill (excess feed in).

I advice to install a solar system which will "deduct" the higher tariffs, eg 50 or even 65 kurus per unit, to reduce the own electricity bill, and/or install eg a solar runned swimmingpool pump to reduce the burden.

Very often the own energy needs are underestimated and there isnt sufficient space on the roof or small garden (facing south) for all the energy needs (solar modules) anyway.

cont.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 11:26

Warranties for eqipment and output of solar systems:

a sensible case. I have seen PV systems coming from Turkey, installed are "really no name" chinese solar modules, no name inverters with a terrible efficiency and no possibility to configurate to the needs of the customer... and batteries which are simply crap.

As the installers came to the TRNC only for installation (tourists), the customer cannot get a proper service, he also got no proper receipt.

I have seen other systems and solar modules which have been smuggled form the greek side ands installed by turkish cypriots, same applies here for warranties, receipts as well, service might be a bit better.

The output of a solar system is directly related to the installation itself and the equiment used.

Kibsolar uses several programs to verify these outputs and the customer can rely on that.

In the TRNC there are only two, three official registered companies who could install a solar system in a good way. Kibsolar is one of th

delikomsu



Joined: 27/10/2010
Posts: 504

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 12:21

carndi .................A system costs whatever you want to get out of it, there is no set price. You can vary the amount of panels/batteries you buy according to your budget or requirements. Our system cost us over 10,000GBP seven years ago and has paid for itself over and over. It never breaks down, works efficiently and quietly and is just the best purchase we have ever made. So much sunshine on this island we can't understand why more people aren't taking advantage.

We are selling because we are leaving the island and are open to reasonable offers for this excellent system and or our little eco house too.

Come and visit us and see.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 13:07

dippersgirl have you considered wind turbine doesnt have to be big to produce leccy

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 13:24

msg 12: "...and is just the best purchase we have ever made..." thanks very much Penny.

Accredited distribution partner for inverter and solar charger from Outbackpower and tracking systems from LORENTZ : kibsolar.com , solar modules: kibsolar.com. The batteries in delikomsus system are from Mutlu.



msg 13: a wind turbine can be added to delikomsus system, i have the right one in stock. 400W or 1000W.

wind turbines for grid feed: be careful.. not many places in cyprus are economic for that attempt.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 13:26

how big is the turbine?

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 13:36

the 400W turbine has a blade diameter of approx, say 1,30 meter, weight approx 5-7 kilos.

the 1000 W is bigger, say 1,70 and approx 15 kilos.

chr1ch


Joined: 02/06/2011
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 14:41

So there does not seem to be any consensus by the looks of the different advice in the messages.

Maybe all who are interested should get together as a "co-operative" and help each other with different systems, calculations, finances, shipping over (decent) hardware, political leverage (talking to the electricity companies) and many more issues I've yet to think of.



The price of electricity WILL rocket in the next few years so it makes sense to think NOW about using that abundant sunshine (message 12).



I for one am interested, I have just bought a small property near Girne and would love to kit it out with 10 or so grands worth of solar panels to make my own electricity for the vast majority of the time (I agree it would be difficult to come off grid entirely).



One other thing which I don't think has been mentioned is planning permission for panels and wind turbines, again, a co-operative of people with different skills could look at all the above issues.

chr1ch


Joined: 02/06/2011
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 14:44

Oh, by the way, the price of petrol will ALSO rocket over the next few years. If we wish to carry on living on this gorgeous island increasing efficiencies (fuel and elsewhere) will certainly help. After all - Every little helps

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 15:13

The UK is "traditionally" a very expensive place to purchase solar energy, both PV and solar thermals. In 2007 I went to Leeds and I was shocked. And true, msg 4, "...The UK feed in tariffs were a joke.."

chr1ch.. I already offer DoItYourself solutions. Kibsolar designs, sells the necessary hardware and the customer could install on their own.

I did this with eg Ayantech and designed two, three systems for them. Now they claim to be "solar experts".

For a possible on-grid configuration alone there are nearly 1000 different solar modules and 300-500 different inverters on the market. Same applies for pump systems and, even more difficult, offgrid or "combined on-off grid" systems. You may better leave this choice and the calculation to the few "real experts".

And finally, coop or not.. anybody has "to beat" my kWh price of 11-12 eurocent.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 16:12

thanks for the info in msg10 kibsolar. At the moment I average about 600-650 units a month. If I could produce the 100-150 from solar to keep me under the 'third tier' kibtek tarrif, either in own use or feed back, that would have a specific value for me. If I could produce the 350-400 to keep me under the first tier tarrif that would have an even greater value for me. If the numbers could show a payback of the cost of instal from saving on bills in say less than 10 years this would be something I would be interested in I think.

loulou



Joined: 14/05/2008
Posts: 785

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 16:22

HI elko ref msg 5 i put on 44 about your elec surg prot no reply as yet

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 21:24

msg 20...

what could i say.. contact me.. info@kibsolar.com or 533 866 4243

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 21:58

msg 21

Loulou,

Please explain what you meant, its simply escaping me. What message, what reply?

ismet

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 22:03

Ismet bey, Here's the link http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/84266.asp

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
26/01/2012 22:16

Thanks Ttoli, I checked the profile of Loulou and by checking his recent messages I managed to spot the relevant message and replied to it already.

ismet

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
27/01/2012 00:46

Thanks for all the info, we want to look into all the options. have got somebody from Kibris Güneş Enerjisi coming to talk to us.

£10,000 seems a lot of money to me (and that was 7 years ago). We are not big energy users and it would take us more than ten years to get our money back.

It only seems a good idea if you can feed any surplus into the grid. We don't have a pool and are not planning to get one. Otherwise you are stuck with expensive batteries

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
27/01/2012 10:00

No.. dippersgirl... its difficult.. i know.., but eg for pool pumping you do not need batteries!!

and.. you do not necessarily need to invest 10.000 stg to cover your energy needs.

That must be calculated.

When you get people in to make you a quote.. Kibsolars tax number is MS 08371

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
27/01/2012 11:10

thanks kibsolar for info

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
27/01/2012 11:55

Kibsolar, what is the minimum price for a system, just running fridge, freezer, couple of lights

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
27/01/2012 13:10

msg 29: you have to see that there are two main different systems..

a) so called "grid connected" systems (turkish: sebeke bagli) In these systems you reduce your energy bill or get money from Kibtek. During a power cut, you do not have electricity.

b) so called "off grid" systems (sebekeden bagimsiz sistemler) for people who are not connected to the grid. These system require batteries. Such a system, eg, Delikomsu tries to sell here.

The design architecture of these systems are totally different, also the "sizing" (power) must be calculated in a different way.

For a) it is important that you can produce "one unit" for a guaranteed same or lower price as you would pay with Kibtek (especially as price rises do not apply for you any more), for b) the "payback" is (maybe) achived immediately, as the connection costs from Kibtek are too high. (delikomsus case)

You could "combine" sistem a) and b) to one system, but that goes too far here for now..

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
28/01/2012 17:48

dippersgirl.. I explaind some aspects in msg 30. But also in msg 9,10,11 that a solar system need to be calculated. Here: what kind of fridge do you use or, how big is the consumption (units per year). same with the lights and the freezer. You may have a TV and obviously a computer.

A grid feed installation which produces approx 1500kWh (units) per year (or approx 29.000 units during 20 years @ 40-50 kurus TODAYS price = worth approx 5000 Euros..), will cost approx 2300 to 2500 euros. If you take in consideration a 5% price increase per year for electricity, the 29.000 units have a value of 9200 euros.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
03/02/2012 22:15

msg 26... dippersgirl..

keep us up to date.. what did Kibris Güneş Enerjisi say... ?

delikomsu



Joined: 27/10/2010
Posts: 504

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 07:55

We are now offering our full working solar electric system for 3,000euros. Buyer collects/dismantles or kibsolar will do all for an extra fee. This is a bargain for this equipment which cost over 10,000k GBP new.

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
04/02/2012 13:55

mess 32 it all sounded good, but as there is no feeding it back to the grid yet, we will wait, especially as this sort of system does not help us with the power cuts. Maybe a windmill is better for us anyway.

In the meantime will go for a generator for the freezer, we have plenty of gaslights and probably will consider a gas boiler for the hot water as we have plenty of mains water.

I think diversify is the answer here. Can't get let down totally that way.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
06/02/2012 10:30

You cannot expect to eliminate a electricity bill of eg 6000 TL a year by investing 10.000 TL.

to install a battery buffered system = "help with the power cuts" is a "luxury". If you install such a "solar backed system", you cannot expect an early "payback". A windmill will not help you here either, its expected to be more expensive as PV solar energy (in terms of output in kWh)

Again: there is a significant different system-design of on-grid (net metering) and off-grid systems (not connected to the grid) and the combination of both must be properly planned.

You could go total offgrid (with batteries) and only charge the batteries from the grid if your energy demand is higher as the energy produced from solar. Also here applies: choose good systems. In your area (Famagusta) i know 4-6 "turkish - chinese solar systems" which simply do not work.

"These guys" destroy the reputation of the "few good boys" (no girls in this business) as well and solar energy in general.

Shaza


Joined: 14/02/2012
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 19:43

Hi Delikomsu,

I have just seen your post could you give me a bit more info on just what your system consists of, as we could be interested in it. Also could you let me know were abouts you are on the island if we wanted to come and take a look.

Thanks

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 12:29

i believe the bill has been put forward for grid tie electric perhaps kib solar knows more

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 12:45

how do solar pool pumps work do they require a large array

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
17/02/2012 13:39

Shaza, delicomsu is on holiday, will be back 26.02.12

I know because I am buying something from her

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 09:31

solar pumps, depending on the pool size need a bit space, here is a pic, showing the modules installed for a "standard" . http://www.kibsolar.com/content/mix/images/refs/images/solpump1.jpg

you can contact (kibsolar /peter) at: info@kibsolar.com



regards

henrik



Joined: 01/10/2009
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 12:16

BTW, here you may see some more installation in cyprus: http://www.lorentz.de/en/partners/europe__cyprus_north/196/agd_solar_trading_ltd.html

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 12:43

msg 38...

as i do not know how big you pool is.. here an answer for you to calculate on your own...

For a 70-80 m³ pool you need to have approx 5-6 m² solar modules.