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No1Doyen


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08/02/2012 22:18

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Just as the United Nations has created difficulties in finding a solution to the entire body of Cyprus problems, one conviction can be alleged herein with ease. When one accepts that the Cyprus problem began not in 1974 but rather in 1964 (and that is the fact of the matter), the following reality can be faced: The status of the UN peacekeeping force sent to the island to help quell the violent clashes between communities there actually presents an intractable hindrance to the solution these days. United Nations Security Council Resolution 186, adopted unanimously on March 4, 1964, was one rendered by the UN with the aim of stopping the flow of blood between communities on the island.



http://www.todayszaman.com/news-270886-the-uns-cyprus-approach-an-open-letter-to-un-general-secretary-ban-ki-moon-by-mehmet-hasguler.html



philbailey


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08/02/2012 22:37

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I have asked this question before

but does anyone have the falataly figures

from both sides from 60 to 74 ?



this is not a trick question

I would like to know



Turtle


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08/02/2012 22:41

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Whats "falataly figures "



philbailey


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08/02/2012 22:43

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Msg 3 people killed then, is that better

you may live in one of their houses

or maybe you have a pre -74 turkish property



No1Doyen


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08/02/2012 22:45

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I think he means Fatality



EamonnMc


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08/02/2012 22:51

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Msg 3,



Daily Mail Headline "Dyslexia For Found Cure " lol. no offense meant to anyone.



Turtle


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08/02/2012 22:52

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It wasn't a trick question,... I just wanted to know



philbailey


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08/02/2012 22:55

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Sorry .

spelling gone to @@@@



but was interested in geniune or assumed figures

of the dead

between those dates



Turtle


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08/02/2012 23:01

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Probably not as many as there would have been if Nikos Sampson hadn't got his marching orders !



philbailey


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08/02/2012 23:07

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I know alot of G/Cs got killed by Sampson

but would be interested in the overall figures fro 60 to say 75



Turtle


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08/02/2012 23:11

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I was lead to believe that history started in 1974,....... or so i'm told.



mikelapta



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08/02/2012 23:17

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Bill,wow,I will re-read in the morning,and comment further.

PB we are talking thousands.

Bill,I reckon we are talking 50's when UK suddenly pulled out because of Greek EOKA killing British troops.

PB if you ever come to Cyprus,I can show you villages of Turkish villages savaged by Greek soldiers.

Schools where all the children were killed,a village where all the men were rounded up,taken to the south,and disappeared,women and children thrown into a quarry and killed.

Enough for now





Mike



philbailey


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08/02/2012 23:19

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History really started with the British offering indepence/Enosis

during the 2 war

which never happened

hence right /wrong bought about EOKA

in 1955

then Denktash started the TMT in 1957



from there the rest is history



newlad



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08/02/2012 23:19

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Is this the same Sampson that was de-facto president of the Republic of Cyprus July 15- 23rd 1974.Thats shorter then Brian Cloughs reign at Leeds United,



Paul.



philbailey


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08/02/2012 23:29

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In june 1958 a bomb exploded in the turkish embassy in Cyprus

On june 26th 1984 Rauf Dentash admitted on bristish channel itv

that the bomb was placed by themselves



and repeated the claim in 1995 to a Turkish paper



Turtle


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09/02/2012 00:04

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PB you seem well informed of some of the information perhaps you would like to enlighten us on the deaths for the period you request.



I would wager I know the contents of your answer



philbailey


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Msg 16 , are you suggesting that more G/Cs

than T/Cs were killed in that period ?



Turtle


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09/02/2012 00:26

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Im not suggesting anything of the sort........ however I think we both know that your bias views will tell us what you want us to know.



joecarr


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09/02/2012 13:21

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hi everyone , on another subject was the north and south within 2 wks of the last talks suppose to have put together their property issues>



Tangerineman


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09/02/2012 13:57

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Between 21 and 26 December 1963, the conflict centered in the Omorphita suburb of Nicosia, which had been an area of tension in 1958. The participants now were Greek Cypriot irregulars and Turkish Cypriot civilians and former TMT members, known as the "fighters" during the Cyprus problem, the Turkish fighters were less powerful, outnumbered and were held down in "ghettos" from the superior Greek Cypriot side who were supplied with stored EOKA guns and eventually guns from foreign powers. Many Greek and Turkish Cypriot civilians who were caught in the crossfire and chaos that ensued over the Christmas week were killed, others were massacred by Greek or Turkish irregulars and had their homes looted and burnt down in small villages as the problem developed. The government of Turkey used these events as an excuse to cancel the residence permits of 12,000 Greek citizens living in Istanbul leading to the confiscation of their property.[citation needed]

Both President Makarios and Dr. KŁÁŁk



Tangerineman


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09/02/2012 13:58

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It doesn't all fit on but this was from wikipedia and confirms it was in the 1000s



Jovial_John


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09/02/2012 14:09

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To know the number of fatalities would not mean anything without knowing who did the killing. I watched a Greek (not Greek Cypriot) documentary (on the Greek Parliament channel) about the Greek Cypriots killed by EOKA and EOKA B. It stated that those deaths are now blamed on Turkish Cypriots or the Turkish army.

I don't know the exact quote or who said it:-

"...no Turkish Cypriot will ever forget what happened between 1963 and 1974 - and no Greek Cypriot will ever remember it".

There will always be 2 separate sets of figures for everything in Cyprus just as there are 2 separate realities.



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