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daisy dukes


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Why buy a lease for 50k+ and still pay rent??? This has puzzled me for a very long time...



Instead, buy my house..which still has business permits....and is a perfect location..and NO RENT!!



DD



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Perhaps i should have made my post a bit more clear...



My house used to be a restaurant/coffee shop...until i bought it and turned into a house...but, with a little imagination it could become a really lovely rooftop bistro with sea and glorious mountain views, and the best thing about it.....no astronomical, or increasing rent to pay!!



Think about it....if you only ever serve coffee...you're not gonna lose out!!



If you think this is something you'd like to do drop me a line...0533 833 1292



DD



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Do you still want to go to Bulgaria?



daisy dukes


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Phil...i don't actually care anymore...i'd be happy living in a freaking igloo if it meant i could leave here....



But thats not the point..this is actually a really good opportunity for someone who really would like to stay here and have a business that's not actually going to break the bank!



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Good luck

hope all goes well

a good idea



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I looked at an apartment near the Mercury once it was very nice.14000 for the lease and 300 per month rent needless to say i didnt proceed.



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thanks Phil...and yes, it is a good idea....



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Deniz...my point exactly....why on earth would you want to pay a lease and rent, when an outright buy could give you the whole shebang!!





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I think thats a great idea Sam wtg xoxo



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I didn't know your property had a business permit DD.



Have to agree, it would be an ideal location for anyone thinking about a tea shop for example.

The lay out of your property and the views would be an asset as well.



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Why buy anything in TRNC?? Unless you can afford the loss !!



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What disillusioned you, daisydukes ? You seemed fine and in love with the place, a few months ago and what will you do with your dogs ?....I'm not making a judgement, just asking a question.



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Eamonn, i have been disillusioned for many years now, and i am only still here because of my dogs, i could no more leave them behind than i could fly to the moon. But to be able to transport me and my dogs to wherever i decide to go, i first need the money from my house....this is why it's for sale.





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where is your property?



daisy dukes


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Centre of Karsiyaka village..mountain side.



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I didn't know your house had a business permit either...........Coffee Shop? Good idea.



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I think to make this work, it would have to be turned into something a bit more imaginative. Maybe an old style english tea shop, wth home made speciality cakes...but really the list of things my house could be turned into is endless.



If anyone reading this board would like to come and check out this perfect location please do drop me a line.



you can view the property here...price is VERY negotiable!



http://www.donaghyandbeyler.com/property-details-629



DD



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Back to the top.



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Back to the top



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Sam,

I have often said that what is missing this end away from town is a descent coffee type shop, with good quality stuff, line Shootes/Gloria Jeans/Grand Mardo. Trouble is you will not get much up market passing trade.

99% of the people around you will go home and save a couple of tl, it would be hard.

That said, it the general concensus it the idea would fly, why don't you kick it off, and sell as a going concern, with housing.

Any small cofe shop with the right ambiance and furnishings could well attract a regular clientele, though I do stress, you are in the wrong place for passing 'affluent' trade from people like students at weekends.

One ideal location I think would be on a school run.

I often think the old Lacem should have had a coffee lounge area for the SL school run people, and morning coffees etc.

Most would have had a coffee when visiting the Muhktars office table there.



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I looked at your property and it looks perfect. Hope this helps to keep it at the top



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may I ask what type of Kocan this has please?



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Looks lovely from the pictures



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I reckon it would make a good boutique restaurant along the lines of Charcos and it is easy to get to from the main road.

It is a snip at the price and no rental to pay.



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DD your home looks lovely, and suitable for various uses!



Someone I am sure will come along and enjoy those beautiful views!



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DD

If its not too painful, what happened to make u want to get away from "here" as you put it

Because we' r looking to move to TRNC with dog and cat and will listen to all stories of people who have found it the wrong or right move

PS if u don't want to print reasons on Forum 44, then please email if you feel OK about the subject

ritrob3739@hotmail.co.uk



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Ok, for those of you that do not know the story of what happened to me (and i'm fairly sure most of you do) here it is. About 5 years ago, i accepted a lift home one night from work from a friend who was going my way in his transit van. It was early hours of the morning and i was quite tired, so the lift was most welcome. My friend was a careful driver (slow) and as the journey was from Alsancak to Karsiyaka, i decided to have a cigarette to pass the time. I undid my sealtbelt so that i could reach my bag off the floor, and in the spilt second of leaning down and sitting up, we hit full on by a drunk driver in a private dolmus who taking some girls from a nightclub home. My friend who was driving got a badly broken leg, a girl from the dolmus had the same injury, the driver got a cut on his leg that needed a few stitches, I on the other hand was thrown all round the cabin and was very lucky to have survived. Pretty much everything was broken and in particular....cont



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i was extremely lucky to have not lost one of my legs. Both arms were broken, collar bone nose and various other body parts were damaged not to mention all the stitches all over me. The recovery was long and arduous, even though i did all the physio, i had help from various sources and a fair few angels came to help, including dog walkers, house cleaners and people driving me to and fro from the hospital, it took almost 3 years (in which time i had to go to the UK for more surgery) to finally get my life back in order.



To this day, i struggle to believe i actually came out of the other side of this tunnel, but i did, and for that i continally thank everyone that was resposonsible in my recovery.

However there was no compensation at all, not a penny. So for the last 2 years i have been desperately trying to find something i can do to earn a few bob, i can no longer spend hours behind bars or restaurants as the next day my leg hurts too much....cont



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And then i discovered the joys of gardening...and now, although it's a daily struggle, i am starting to finally accept my fate.



The biggest drawback, has been the loss of the money for the house tax which isn't too much, but it is enough to be a problem, so the best thing for me is to leave. I have no love for my house anymore, like i have no love for the island anymore. I have wanted to leave for some time now, but without the sale, i can't go anywhere. The PTP etc are in the lawyers office just waiting to be transferred into my name...so although i don't yet have my kocan, it is all available for a couple of thousand in tax (which may as well be a couple of milion if you don't have it).



Please understand this is not an 'oh woe is me story' almost everyone has some kind of horry story of house buying here...this is just my story...and thanks to the love of gardening...life is gently bobbing along again...but it is definitely time to go.



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Daisy, what a rough time you've had of it, it's not suprising you want to leave.



I do hope you get your sale as quickly as possible.



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Thanks Daisy for taking the time to explain what happened. Hope you keep your strength of character up

You are obviously a survivor, best wishes for the future



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Thank you posher and gemini....now to find a buyer...the photos don't do a lot of credit to the place, it really needs to be seen to understand the potential.



DD



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Will it be furnished ?



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Back to the top....i think i shall be doing this for a while.....



DD



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Oi, My dumb ass questions were doing that ,

msg34.



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PB

Message 33:



'Will it be furnished ?'



Why are you interested in buying or are you just a 'tyre kicker'



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Msg36, my little troll,

I explained in msg35



daisy dukes


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As to furnishings...well that would really depend on how much i am offered for the house...i am already open to offers...it really just depends on how silly a price i am wiling to take...as i said, the price is really really negotiable....make me an offer...





DD



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Phil

'my little troll,'

You say the nicest things but I have to explain that I am a married man and although I am sure you are a nice man, unfortunately i prefer women.



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really...is ANYONE interested in this fabulously reduced offer....please don't make me keep on doing back to the tops!





(jokes appreciated...anything to stop me doing BTTT's)





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Jokes ok then



An ex-mod told his wife he had a cock like a computer. She rolled her eyes at him and sarcastically asked if it was because it had lots of ram and a hard drive.



Oh the surprise she got when she found out it was actually microsoft and full of viruses



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Thanks Phil....very funny!!



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I can't believe drinking costs the NHS 2.7bn a year.



I'm definitely going to their Christmas party



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Is the Thatcher film rated PG because it's not suitable for miners?



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Looks gorgeous DD, what a lovely position the house is too....



Someone must see the potential, surely .... What lovely views from the roof space .....



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i think it's lovely



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Maybe you could get in touch with these people Sam? http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/78506.asp



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Or maybe the thread advertising in russia ?



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How are the gardens ?



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A few idea's on how it could get transformed hope you enjoy the great idea's



Oh and this property has a long long government lease But with time and imagination your could be transformed too Good luck~~~~~ http://postimage.org/image/lzgz15icx/ http://postimage.org/image/lzgz15icx/ http://postimage.org/image/lzgz15icx/



http://postimage.org/image/bb3krgcnn/ http://postimage.org/image/bb3krgcnn/



http://postimage.org/image/927xtw9wd/ http://postimage.org/image/ysf6vb6md/



They do say a little imagination can go a long long way Hope you enjoyed the photo's no need to thank me.My pleasure. And it dose not always need to cost a fortune to transform a place into something outstanding



Spider,X



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Phil...due the immense of rain, most gardens are overun with weeds at the moment, which when it stops, i shall have plenty to do...but i could always do with a few more if you know what i mean.





DD



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Spider why have you hijacked this thread with 5 pics of the same door, mad woman.



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Have you still got the wood burner ?



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Yeah i do...but no wood :( (i would include it in the sale)



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sorry...back to the top...



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@Bertieboss



"Why buy anything in TRNC?? Unless you can afford the loss !!"



First off all I don't know what bad things happened to you here in Cyprus but why are you doing such a generalization ?



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cypriot4x4...I think that Bertieboss actually has a point (i know, odd thing to say from someone trying to sell)



The reason i say this is because, quite a lot a places sell a lease (which averages on about 60k +

and then have to pay a rather high rental which will inevitably increase when there's no customers)



The buyer will later realise that there were no customers , and chances are they're not going to get customers (there's a reason why so called establishments sell up)

So, unless they can corner the market in something, (but chances are the 'corner' has already been tried and tested) then yes, you will lose lose money, and probably far more than you imagined!

However...if you bought a place outright, with no rent to pay, then it really doesn't matter if you only sell a cup of coffee a day...in theory, you're not going to lose anything...in fact, if you keep the premises long enough then you will not only break even, you might, if you're lucky make a little profit!



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No wood

chop up something !



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I'll have work for you DD in a couple of months, if you're still there. I hear it's very cold there at the moment.



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Phil...3 of my dining room chairs have already been sacrificed!!



Eamonn...it is so cold right now i swear i resemble a smurf...blue!! i await your call.







DD



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Have you fitted any of rachoonchic products?

that might keep it up?



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Whats a racoonchic product?





DD



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You have to check the other threads .DD



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Sam-there loads and loads of pallets around.

Also just down from you they were pruning olives see if they have left any offcuts.



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hippo, if i had a car..i would be scouring the whole island for bits of wood!!





DD



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Any offers yet ?







For the house I mean .



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No :(((



I think i shall be doomed to stay here forever....



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Couldnt you rent it out and move on ?



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no eager, i need the money from my house to fly me and 2 dogs to a destination, plus money for rent and deposit and money to tide me over until i get work...it really does mount up....and it's simply not possible for me at the moment.



DD



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Well sincerely hope it works out for you.



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Get that journo to do a story



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What journo is that Phil?



DD



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There was a thread on here

someone wanted to do an article on a property

will try and find it .



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I don't really think me selling a house/business property is actual newsworthy stuff...besides i think you mean the thread about high end property...mine isn't what i'd call ''high end''...





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all the best DD , its a snip for some one .



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Thanks Rowlo....abd you're right of course...it is an absolute bargain!!





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hi daisy could you give me a email on jonnybladon@live.co.uk im friends with phil and pat chappell speak soon



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welshboy, you have mail.



DD



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thank you have emailed you back speak soon



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I thought the business permit had to be applied for by the person that wants to open a business, so who owns or leases your property to you Daisy? Are they the holders of the business permit? I didn't realise that property could have a business permit and you just passed it on. I'm a bit confused on that.



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msg80 , read msg 1&2 ?



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Rowlo I have and thats why I'm asking so perhaps you can explain gently please.



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Have you burnt all your furniture yet . lol



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surely, if you buy a lease its for a trading business with good will, fixtures / fittings, customer base etc to enable the premises to trade as a business...



your place has none of these, so stating "why buy a lease" isn't really relevant (imho)....



looking at the piccies, the place looks very nice and its not a lot of money - maybe just a sad reflection of people not wanting to risk their money by buying property in the trnc ??



buying it to open as a coffee shop wouldn't make financial sense - 60k in the bank would bring in 6k (but in TL) a month - i doubt if a coffee shop in that position would make that much a month and you'd have to sit around for hours each day waiting for customers...



just my 5 Baht worth....



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DD I am sure many guys have "wood" for you



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NN..When you buy a lease it's for the property, plus a monthly rental payment which will also be due. Most times new owners spend a smal fortune on decking it out in a fashion that they think will be attractive to new customers. So why not start out with a blank canvas, decorate as you see fit, and have no rent to pay...



That way, if all you sell is a cup of coffee a day...you are not losing anthing but your time on the beach...



DD



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Msg 85,



Philbailey,



No need for crudity, Phil.



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msg 87 , I do hope you have sold your television



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Any news Sam?



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Sorry, to ask why did you not get compensation for the accident ?



daisy dukes


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None yet britvic :((



msg 90...it's kinda hard to sue someone for money when they've done a runner back to Turkey, but even if he had stayed, because it was an alcohol related accident, there would have been no pay out anyway...apparently that's the law here. Sucks big time, especially when all he got was a cut on his leg, but as they say, drunk people don't break, they bend!!



DD



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Daisy that is what Micheal Barrymore thought .



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msg 92, erm, i'm not sure i get that, did he have a car accident?



DD



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Sorry to be flippant it was a bad taste joke about Barrymore ,back it brings you back to the top .



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no worries, i just didn't get it is all



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