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suehowlittle


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29/02/2012 22:40

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Just read in Cyprus Today that there is now a Hotline to enable you to report anyone doing work for cash without a work permit.



Can we also use it to shop any business which takes our money for goods or services and does not give us a receipt thereby evading KDV and taxes?



Could it also be used to shop solicitors who take payments into their ' British Bank accounts' also evading taxes?



I can see this causing lots of bad feeling and suspicion. Already there are people sniping on here about work permits whenever anyone offers a service.



I would have thought that there were bigger issues to worry about than a bit of moonlighting.



rowlo



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29/02/2012 22:53

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most of them are sad people with to much time on theyre hands , and not much between the lugs ,



TRNCvictim


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01/03/2012

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Oh rowlo you are sooooo funny (not much between the lug holes eh)!!!



philbailey


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01/03/2012 09:37

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Gates has been busy then



martinD41


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01/03/2012 10:11

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Shop the lot and collect the "Tax Free" reward..



rosylee


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01/03/2012 11:06

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PLEASE READ the thread WORK PERMIT NORTH CYPRUS.



philbailey


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01/03/2012 13:55

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Is there an e-mail address ?



suehowlittle


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01/03/2012 16:02

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Oh, so there is a reward also?



Can it be used to shop non-expats for breaking the law or does this law only apply to expats?



Let's have a level playing field in this respect.



It brings to mind how the Jewish people must have felt in Nazi Germany. The people there were urged to report them for reward.



Probably going to get a 'slating' for airing this but Freedom of Speech and all that means I can.



SandersonP


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01/03/2012 16:21

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suehowlittle



The law is clear. The moral case is clear. Those who do not pay their taxes are cheating those who do.



Tell me. How does someone who has to pay an extra couple of thousand lira a month in tax compete with someone who evades those taxes?



rosylee


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01/03/2012 16:22

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Not aware of any rewards Sue ,if there was the locals would be on a winner (!)All the illegal construction workers would net a 'mint' for the locals and save them having a job(I hope they would pay the due taxes LOL!)



It all seems unfair to us but what can we do?we have to abide by the law .Instead of loosing sleep over working illegally,we can loose sleep over how to pay the taxman.just can't win.



SandersonP


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01/03/2012 16:25

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What is the difference between a foreigner working illegally here and a foreigner working illegally in the UK?

Answer on 25 pages of A4 please.



suehowlittle


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01/03/2012 16:33

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I am not in any way challenging the law, just unhappy with the way the law appears to be directed at expats.



I am in full agreement with the law on cheating the taxman. Why would I take any other stance?



This law is being broken by so many people here, not just foreigners. The economy is fragile and the government needs to get revenues in. (I also recognise that they could get millions of 's in by fixing certain problems)



There is also a law which states that you have to pay tax revenue on rental properties even if you do not receive any rents because you have a 'rogue tenant'



I have no other agenda.



I will however, take care that in future, before I pay anyone any money for services/goods, ensure that I get a full KDV receipt. I had a business in the UK for many years and naturally paid my taxes in full. I certainly could not have competed against someone who did not pay any tax whatsoever.



My initial question is still - "Does this law apply to everyone"?



yorkshireman


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01/03/2012 17:13

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I agree with Suehowlittle,I have paid money for goods and services and not recieved any receipts.

from turkish/turkish cypriots.Whoe,s cheating who?



SandersonP


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01/03/2012 17:19

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Suehowlittle



It applies to those who need a work permit. Those are, non trnc nationals (Kimlik Holders), who wish to work. Kimlik holders do not need a work permit. Everyone else does.



kiwikid


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01/03/2012 17:21

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I realise most on here don't read the Turkish speaking newspapers, but you will find the tax dept has been doing an island wide sweep on tax evaders. I can name at least 4 companies that I know of that have been fined. The kibris newspaper even printed a list of hundreds of companies yearly earnings and the taxes paid.



rosylee


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01/03/2012 21:11

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It is the customers legal right to receive a FATURA -an official printed receipt showing your purchase price and KDV paid.The heading should have the company's address,phone number and registration number.

Even if your Turkish is not good ,the above is easy to read.There sould be 3 pages....top white to you,pink to the accountant and the green kept by the company.NO receipt books bought over the counter are like these.



slatnumber7


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02/03/2012 14:35

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A point worthy of note .... anyone can read this forum and see the requests for cleaner, gardener, decorator etc.



People frequently respond and place their personal contact details giving the daily/hourly rates that they charge. It would not be difficult for a TRNC tax officer to trace that person offering their services.



Equally a tax officer could pose on this forum as someone seeking those services and snare those who respond and do not have the necessary work permit.



(Both of these tactics could also be employed by quislings.)



The penalties are fines and deportation! Not nice!



setpot


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02/03/2012 14:43

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There must be lots of plumbers, builders, window cleaners, barmen, singers and tour guides etc. getting worried now.



suehowlittle


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02/03/2012 14:57

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I sleep well, no worries, did not look forward to my retirement to just come here and start work again.



Would leave before I would do that.



Life is short enough.



Pippie


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02/03/2012 17:40

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Rosylee, you're right about requesting a fatura. But what do you do when they say 'no'? Who do we report them to?



Since in the TRNC you can only claim back KDV if you actually have a fatura (or makbuz if it's a gov't office), I now try to collect faturas everywhere I go.



I had to go to companies house recently to get some records updated. As ever, I needed stamps, and quite a few of them. This was a business expense, albeit a small one but nevertheless a business expense. The office directed me to a booth nearby to get the stamps. When I asked if the guy could give me a fatura he just said "no" and looked at me as if to say "you can't surely expect a recceipt from me". There wasn't enough time to go to the post office so I had to get them anyway!



How are we supposed to be able to run a business here and claim back all our expenses if we can't get the receipts we need? I get so very frustrated sometimes.



philbailey


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07/03/2012 01:12

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Surely everyone can get a receipt ?



rosylee


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07/03/2012 01:27

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There are til receipts but these are not Faturas and worthless at the accountants if you are in business.

IT IS THE LAW that a fatura is given with a purchase - eg anything other than groceries.



Pippie -you can report this person who refused,I think it would be the company registration office.They are the ones who issue the company receipt books.A makbuz is for a DEPOSIT paid and you should sign it as a legal & binding agreement that the balance is to be paid....then shown on the fatura as paid in full.



As for the stamps,did you over-pay their value?if 'yes'then he was making a profit and you could have got a fatura.if no profit ,the paperwork would be a waste of time and printing costs.



birdman



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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 08:36

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Receipts from a BAR !?



Gerry



halffull


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 10:33

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If the British government had the balls to bring in some of the laws here then it would not have the problems it has and the British people would be better off instead of supporting half the bloody ungrateful money grabbing foriegners who are parisites in our country.

The law is the law and when you come here you either get a work permit or you are retired!



Carndi


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 10:50

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It may have been answered already but I will still ask.



Can the employer,even though not an company, be fined and if so has this happened ?



Wibow


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 13:38

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Its so easy



If people wether foreigners or Turkish/Turkish Cypriots



Want to work



Give them all work permits



That way the Government gets there taxes



And everyone will be legal



But to ask ADULTS to shop ADULTS is disgusting



fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 14:00

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Halffull



re Msg 24



I agree, if you want to work get a work permit - the difficulty lies in getting one !!!



What are your thoughts on the main thrust of this post - Should the helpline be used just to shop foreign 'tax-evaders' or should you be able to 'shop' a local who does not issue a Fatura and therefore may not be paying the tax expected by the law of his/her government. Do we have a level playing field or not ??



breezyboy


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Message Posted:
07/03/2012 18:27

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Do the directors of banks such as Arsefinans need to post their addresses anywhere? But who would want to shop them for anything?



bazzagirl


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07/03/2012 20:51

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When i sold my apartment at Sea Vistas the Maintenaance company wanted 200.00 just to give me a proper kdv receipt, which i was perfectly entitled to at no charge, makes you wwonder don't it, also some of their maintenance payments from owners get paid into a British Bank Account !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Disgusting people with 2 sets of values and 2 sets of rules. x



halffull


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14/03/2012 13:32

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My Turkish neighbors are disgusted and said that it would not be a Turk who would shop another, purely an expat thing.

As I was told there are plenty of Turks working here without permits and thats just the way it is and best of luck to them (their comments not mine)



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